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« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2006, 07:05:55 PM »
^ :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

and Mark, hmm perhaps i disregarded the Marshall too quickly then. its a shame i didnt get to give it a particularly thorough test... ah well.

and yer i agree about the 'push-less' midrange of the ENGL.... compared to the Orange Rocker 30 it sounded much less powerful.... the orange felt like a BEAST in the low-midrange despite not really having as much gain and at the same volume... and im starting to see signs of where the brittleness can creep in...


still, for my needs the ENGL is as good an amp as i could possibly want, and still sounds damn good.

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« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2006, 07:13:50 PM »
i got the hugely heavy and metal oversized footpedal included with my Screamer when i bough it..... its now living with Telboy :)

good choice Sambo :D
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« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2006, 07:31:25 PM »
You made a good choice, sambo.

If I had a gun to my head I'd pick the ENGL. Mainly for versatility and clarity.

Remember my TSLs a 2x12 and I've put better valves in and, most importantly, corrected the bias. I've never played one that sounded biased properly, and bought mine because it was the closest and guessed what was going on, realised it was a good amp, got to crank it too, so I bought it.

I think the guys on the marshall production line need to rush things just a little less: you need to use your ears as well a voltmeter to bias. Tut tut and indeed, tut.

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« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2006, 07:48:32 PM »
haha cheers chris, and mark too.

(thats cool that Tellboy has your screamer now as well Chris... dont really know why... just is... adds to the BKP happy-family-feeling...  :lol: )


and yer i see what your saying mark.

the two are quite different essentially.

how much difference do valves and biasing really make then?

im guessing a lot going by what youve said so far...

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« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2006, 11:30:09 PM »
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haha cheers chris, and mark too.

(thats cool that Tellboy has your screamer now as well Chris... dont really know why... just is... adds to the BKP happy-family-feeling...  :lol: )


and yer i see what your saying mark.

the two are quite different essentially.

how much difference do valves and biasing really make then?

im guessing a lot going by what youve said so far...


They are very different amps. They both make full use of the benefits of their respective power tubes: Marshall: strong mids, high saturation sound, engl, lots of highs and lows and glassy clarity.

In the refit I tried it out between putting the pre and power tubes in. I found that the JJ12AX7s are sharper with more attack, then the power tubes added quite a bit of lows compared to the originals, much fuller sound. The biasing sweetened up the mids and warmed up the tone, for want of a better way to put it.

The biggest effect was changing the tubes, though. You cant quantify how much, so its hard to explain the magnitude of the effects, but htose are they (to my ears).

It improved it enough to make me wonder if those valves in the screamer could be better...

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« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2006, 01:10:50 AM »
hmm interesting.


i always thought about upgrading the valves of my old LC30 just to see what the difference would be like... but never got round to it...

might go ahead and try a different combination in the ENGL now though.
hmmmmmmmmm

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« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2006, 01:36:09 AM »
sambo, you and MDV are making the good point about working at the amp tone, as there's subtle interplay between many a knob on the Engls.( My old Marshall JTM as I remember did not have a middle, so the presence of one on the Engl has been a welcome change!)
 I'd better qualify that my Engl is the Sovereign112 combo and I use the extension cab for larger venues(actually hardly ever as it happens at the mo); yes, it has bags of treble in reserve and I am very sparing with presence, though again the controls are deceptively subtle in their interplay. What with 2 master volumes as well as "soft" and "heavy" lead, there are differing tonal colours available depending on pre- and -post amping too.
  As regards your enquiry about settings, well, I'm a middly sorty of chap for single note work: I keep bass, treble and presence all at zero(honestly there's enough inherently there) and middle at full on. The soft lead setting and lead volume I push hard, so as to have the beginnings of that compressed saturation at the pre-stage...as you can imagine, this succeeds in a fizz-free zone. Also, to be honest, what with the channel switching and the guitar's tone+vol, there's enough ready tonal width without adding anything else on the floor. If I want more, I just engage a wah c--ked in the bass position for more fruitiness, relying totally on the amp alone for overdrive. IF(hardly ever) I need to go into "triple rectal" pseudo-mode, I can flip into the amp's Heavy Lead setting, slide up the gain pot on the wah, and yowl like a tw@t. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Engl fanboy but confess to being thoroughly thankful it's the type of amp that allows my guitars to speak with their natural voice: I found I was always trying to wrestle my Marshall into compromising compliance rather than relax into my playing.

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« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2006, 01:38:36 AM »
I'm glad you didnt go for the Marshall TSL! I used to own the one, they SUCK.

You have found one of the finer amps in life, keep it!

If there's one thing I've learned that's not to sell the right equipment, just save up the money if you need anything. That way you can have as many things as you want without having to get rid of the good stuff, and then only ever have good stuff! without the bad stuff.

It's a win win situation.
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« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2006, 01:43:28 AM »
ahh i see i remember reading about the Sovereign somewhere! very nice.

and yer, versatility in general definitely seems to be the name of game with the ENGLs in general.

and wow! all mids.... VERY interesting choice! im actually gonna make sure i try that first thing tomorrow... ive been starting to gradually increase more mids in my own sound actually... im not one of these "Bass and Treble full.... scoop the mids down to nothing" kinda guys at all...

and its also interesting you should mention using a c--ked-wah for a different sound- a mate of mine is considering buying a wah-pedal for pretty much that purpose alone. messing about with my PODs different wah-settings can really make some cool sounds so makes sense that the real thing would be just as useful.

and finally- i totally agree with you on the thing about the ENGL kinda letting you just 'relax into your playing' sort of thing...

 i havent owned many amps.... 3 or 4 maybe... tried a LOT more though... and the ENGL out of all of them definitely achieves this best, matched only by the Orange i tried maybe...

a great kind of 'plug-n-play' feel... and like you said- lets the guitars sound shine through well also.

basically, in general- ENGL seem like a damn good brand!

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« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2006, 01:46:14 AM »
Quote from: zigmund
sambo, you and MDV are making the good point about working at the amp tone, as there's subtle interplay between many a knob on the Engls.( My old Marshall JTM as I remember did not have a middle, so the presence of one on the Engl has been a welcome change!)
 I'd better qualify that my Engl is the Sovereign112 combo and I use the extension cab for larger venues(actually hardly ever as it happens at the mo); yes, it has bags of treble in reserve and I am very sparing with presence, though again the controls are deceptively subtle in their interplay. What with 2 master volumes as well as "soft" and "heavy" lead, there are differing tonal colours available depending on pre- and -post amping too.
  As regards your enquiry about settings, well, I'm a middly sorty of chap for single note work: I keep bass, treble and presence all at zero(honestly there's enough inherently there) and middle at full on. The soft lead setting and lead volume I push hard, so as to have the beginnings of that compressed saturation at the pre-stage...as you can imagine, this succeeds in a fizz-free zone. Also, to be honest, what with the channel switching and the guitar's tone+vol, there's enough ready tonal width without adding anything else on the floor. If I want more, I just engage a wah c--ked in the bass position for more fruitiness, relying totally on the amp alone for overdrive. IF(hardly ever) I need to go into "triple rectal" pseudo-mode, I can flip into the amp's Heavy Lead setting, slide up the gain pot on the wah, and yowl like a tw@t. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Engl fanboy but confess to being thoroughly thankful it's the type of amp that allows my guitars to speak with their natural voice: I found I was always trying to wrestle my Marshall into compromising compliance rather than relax into my playing.


you might like this! the Keeley Java Boost has an incredible mid range booster sound, it'll RIP you face off!  PDT_045

http://www.javaboost.com/
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« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2006, 01:47:06 AM »
Quote from: JJretroTONEGOD
I'm glad you didnt go for the Marshall TSL! I used to own the one, they SUCK.

You have found one of the finer amps in life, keep it!

If there's one thing I've learned that's not to sell the right equipment, just save up the money if you need anything. That way you can have as many things as you want without having to get rid of the good stuff, and then only ever have good stuff! without the bad stuff.

It's a win win situation.


cheers! and yer i've heard a lottt about the TSLs... :roll: there's very mixed opinions on them it seems.

and i will definitely do exactly as you say mate! this ENGL is going nowhere for a good while...

can be hard though... its tempting to just flog a load of stuff to get the next new bit of gear that bit quicker... especially when your 15!!!

thanks again for the advice!

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« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2006, 01:48:32 AM »
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Quote from: zigmund
sambo, you and MDV are making the good point about working at the amp tone, as there's subtle interplay between many a knob on the Engls.( My old Marshall JTM as I remember did not have a middle, so the presence of one on the Engl has been a welcome change!)
 I'd better qualify that my Engl is the Sovereign112 combo and I use the extension cab for larger venues(actually hardly ever as it happens at the mo); yes, it has bags of treble in reserve and I am very sparing with presence, though again the controls are deceptively subtle in their interplay. What with 2 master volumes as well as "soft" and "heavy" lead, there are differing tonal colours available depending on pre- and -post amping too.
  As regards your enquiry about settings, well, I'm a middly sorty of chap for single note work: I keep bass, treble and presence all at zero(honestly there's enough inherently there) and middle at full on. The soft lead setting and lead volume I push hard, so as to have the beginnings of that compressed saturation  at the pre-stage...as you can imagine, this succeeds in a fizz-free zone. Also, to be honest, what with the channel switching and the guitar's tone+vol, there's enough ready tonal width without adding anything else on the floor. If I want more, I just engage a wah c--ked in the bass position for more fruitiness, relying totally on the amp alone for overdrive. IF(hardly ever) I need to go into "triple rectal" pseudo-mode, I can flip into the amp's Heavy Lead setting, slide up the gain pot on the wah, and yowl like a tw@t. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Engl fanboy but confess to being thoroughly thankful it's the type of amp that allows my guitars to speak with their natural voice: I found I was always trying to wrestle my Marshall into compromising compliance rather than relax into my playing.


you might like this! the Keeley Java Boost has an incredible mid range booster sound, it'll RIP you face off!  PDT_045

http://www.javaboost.com/


i remember someone on here mentioning them a while ago!!!

look great... not cheap though...

just how usable is it? :lol:

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« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2006, 04:12:39 PM »
awesome! does it have a vintage 30 in it? I tried a screamer yesterday, with the engl 2x12 upright cab, and that really improved the tone over what I remember the screamer sounding like last time I tried it.

That being said, I suppose it could have been the v60 cab... i didn't actually check! sounded like v30's to me, though- unless the v60 sounds similar.

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« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2006, 01:57:10 PM »
ah you can get vertical cabs for them? oh actually yer  i think i remember Nick having one... ?

awesome... might have to check one out.

and can someone clear this up for me, lol, cause i know SH*T all about speakers...

a G12 isn't a V30 is it? or am i being an idiot?

cause it's a Celestion G12..... ?  :oops:

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« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2006, 02:30:19 PM »
:lol: no i wouldn't think so.
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