Sadam is dead! hell yes!

[JJretroTONEGOD]

What are your opinions on it?

I think Sadam deserved to die for all the people he killed. I might even write a song about it :)

post your opinions and thoughts on the matter.

[Fubar]

If you're looking for songs about him, try and search out a copy of Hussein in the Membrane by Anal Beard.

Personally, i'm usually vehemently anti-capital punishment but, in cases such as this it is very hard to feel any particular sympathy. I do think that the trial could have been a lot less farcical and that the Iraqi government have left themselves open to a lot of criticism with regards to being seen as just "puppets of america". I doubt any good will come from his death.

[Kepu]

I might even write a song about it :)

Slayer might have done that already :roll:


anyways, I don't celebrate the death of somebody, but I'm glad he's not doing anything anymore
but I still think Bush doesn't deserve much better treatment, wouldn't kill him though

[dave_mc]

If you're looking for songs about him, try and search out a copy of Hussein in the Membrane by Anal Beard.

Personally, i'm usually vehemently anti-capital punishment but, in cases such as this it is very hard to feel any particular sympathy. I do think that the trial could have been a lot less farcical and that the Iraqi government have left themselves open to a lot of criticism with regards to being seen as just "puppets of america". I doubt any good will come from his death.

+1. I think it's short-sighted, and leaves them open to a lot of criticism. it could end up causing a lot more harm than good.

[broken cord]

I still think Bush doesn't deserve much better treatment, wouldn't kill him though

  Bush is definitely an ill advised nit wit, but he has not committed genocide, and even with all the "Big Brother" technology the US government uses I still live pretty well.... And no I am not just another fat, stupid American.

I for one rejoice Sadam's neck stretching. BTW did you see the old knotted rope they used?

[blue]

bush may not have committed overt "mad dictator" style genocide, but since the invasion of Iraq a vast number of civilians have died.  the american administration rushed to war without a proper plan and without international backing, i think this makes them culpable.

and isn't it convenient to get Saddam out of the way?  now he can't finger any western powers that might have lent him discrete assistance over the years.  the same reason Bin Laden will never be caught alive.

aside from any conspiracy theories or political intrigues, i am completely opposed to the death penalty in any circumstance, and find it incredible that America, supposedly the home of democracy and an increasingly fundamentalist christian nation, is so much in favour of it.  doesn't the new testament tell you to "turn the other cheek", and i seem to remember one of the ten commandments saying "thou shalt not kill".

i myself follow no religion.

despite my misgivings about the whole thing, i will not be mourning saddam hussein.  it may be a bad ending, but it happened to a bad man.  it's the whole process and the death penalty itself i disagree with.

[Ratrod]

I'm against the death penalty. But still I think good riddance to bad rubbish.

But why do they have to show the (partial) execution on TV? It's quite disturbing. Especially in the US where everyone goes nuts when someone shows a titty.

[Kilby]

I'm against the death penalty. But still I think good riddance to bad rubbish.

But why do they have to show the (partial) execution on TV? It's quite disturbing. Especially in the US where everyone goes nuts when someone shows a titty.

Have to agree with you on this, although against the death penality, Saddam is no great loss to the world. However I don't think his death is something to congratulate each other about. If it had been carried about 25 years ealier we may have had some benefit out of it

As for the TV (especially US) the pronography of violence is perfectly acceptable as long as it affects foreigners, non whites, non christians or the poor.

The sight of a nipple may encourage people to think that theyre being treated as adults and not under the control of the christian right.

Rob...

[Elliot]

Personally I think they should have shot him when they found him - at least he would have died in combat - instead the Bush government carefully managed his farcical trial in a kangaroo court, pronounced his death sentence on the eve of US elections in a humiliating attempt to buy US votes and had him executed as a new years gift to GW.  

What have we or the Iraqi people gained from all this? International judicial process can longer be respected, precedents have been further set for victors' courts and Islamic terrorists have gained a martyr out of an old enemy- and the US government now has no resources to take on Iran and Kim Jong ill.  

Its like Team America World Police without the puppets (although there are plenty of muppets about).

Gosh - I thought I was quite right wing, but this has brought the lefty streak out in me.

[dave_mc]

bush may not have committed overt "mad dictator" style genocide, but since the invasion of Iraq a vast number of civilians have died.  the american administration rushed to war without a proper plan and without international backing, i think this makes them culpable.

and isn't it convenient to get Saddam out of the way?  now he can't finger any western powers that might have lent him discrete assistance over the years.  the same reason Bin Laden will never be caught alive.

aside from any conspiracy theories or political intrigues, i am completely opposed to the death penalty in any circumstance, and find it incredible that America, supposedly the home of democracy and an increasingly fundamentalist christian nation, is so much in favour of it.  doesn't the new testament tell you to "turn the other cheek", and i seem to remember one of the ten commandments saying "thou shalt not kill".

i myself follow no religion.

despite my misgivings about the whole thing, i will not be mourning saddam hussein.  it may be a bad ending, but it happened to a bad man.  it's the whole process and the death penalty itself i disagree with.

excellent post, agreed.

My thinking is, if you're against the death penalty, you're against it even if the condemned is a bad guy. I mean, let's be honest, assuming (big assumption!) justice works, you probably aren't going to be executing the 19 year-old who was bringing cookies to the orphanage, are you?

If you're for the death penalty if the perpetrator is/was a pretty bad guy, doesn't that mean you're pro-capital punishment?

What's the saying "it's not how you treat your friends, it's how you treat your enemies, which determines how civilised you are"?

something like that.

[HTH AMPS]

bush may not have committed overt "mad dictator" style genocide, but since the invasion of Iraq a vast number of civilians have died.  the american administration rushed to war without a proper plan and without international backing, i think this makes them culpable.

and isn't it convenient to get Saddam out of the way?  now he can't finger any western powers that might have lent him discrete assistance over the years.  the same reason Bin Laden will never be caught alive.

aside from any conspiracy theories or political intrigues, i am completely opposed to the death penalty in any circumstance, and find it incredible that America, supposedly the home of democracy and an increasingly fundamentalist christian nation, is so much in favour of it.  doesn't the new testament tell you to "turn the other cheek", and i seem to remember one of the ten commandments saying "thou shalt not kill".

i myself follow no religion.

despite my misgivings about the whole thing, i will not be mourning saddam hussein.  it may be a bad ending, but it happened to a bad man.  it's the whole process and the death penalty itself i disagree with.

Pretty much what I was going to say.  I would add that international law seems to have gone out the window with respect to the invasion of Iraq - should Bush and Blair be held responsible for war crimes? (if you concede the the pre-emptive 'war' was illegal, which it clearly was).

I won't be sorry to see the back of Saddam, but it all smacks of "someone has gotta pay and we never did get that Saddam did we 'pa?"

 :twisted:

[Fubar]

and isn't it convenient to get Saddam out of the way?  now he can't finger any western powers that might have lent him discrete assistance over the years.  the same reason Bin Laden will never be caught alive.

Isn't it just? Given that he was only tried and executed for the crimes committed to the people of Dujail where an attempt had been made on his life. A number of people were then arressted (seemingly at random) and taken away and many of them never returned. This is pretty nasty but doesn't really rank up there with the attack he made upon the Kurds at Halabja with chemical weapons. He was never actually tried for this attack, why could this be? I personally believe it to be because of the weapons he used, where could he have possibly obtained VX gas?

Also, isn't it funny how the press are very quick to show the footage of George Galloway praising Saddam on his visit there yet the footage of Donald Rumsfeld doing much the same appears to have just vanished?

[FELINEGUITARS]

The more offences that Saddam was charged with and that he would need to be tried over would increase the likelihood that lawyers would manage to get the whole proceedings tied up in red tape for years.

So they went for the one that they knew they could get him for without getting sidelined for years.

OK - I concede that they may also want to avoid negative publicity over supplying weapons etc to his regime.

I am left feeling that this was all a late clean-up by George junior to finish off what his father didn't have the guts/stupidity to (and it wasn't politically provident to do so either)

[Fubar]

The more offences that Saddam was charged with and that he would need to be tried over would increase the likelihood that lawyers would manage to get the whole proceedings tied up in red tape for years.

So they went for the one that they knew they could get him for without getting sidelined for years.

OK - I concede that they may also want to avoid negative publicity over supplying weapons etc to his regime.

I am left feeling that this was all a late clean-up by George junior to finish off what his father didn't have the guts/stupidity to (and it wasn't politically provident to do so either)

There was certainly no lack of evidence of the gas attacks and, given the fact that it was the style of show trial that Stalin would have been proud of, I can't help but feel that red tape wouldn't have been an issue.

You are right about George junior trying to finish off his dad's work tho, I remember thinking "I bet we go storming into Iraq ovewr this" when 9/11 happened. Another factor that I feel is involved is that America is becoming increasingly threatened in it's role as the world's controlling nation. China is most deffinately on the up and could pose a severe threat to them at least economically and could therefore become more politically powerfull. Then there's the oil etc. Loads of reasons for going in there and not one of them reasonable!  :lol:

[38thBeatle]

I will say one thing for Saddam, he was quite cool considering he was  moments away from death- at least he was in the footage I saw. I suppose if they had put him in jail for the rest of his days, there would have been kidnappings and demands to release him. Sadly, it will not stop the violence as we have seen today. I think Iraq, as we know it(i.e. as "one country") will be broken up. I was one of those that Blair convinced- gullible old me eh?I thought that underneath it all ( and I had never been a supporter of him particularly)he was a decent bloke.I didn't exactly support the war as such but I thought that UN or not, it would kick off at some point-better to get it over with when Saddam was on the back foot. He was a cunning character and was playing games with the UN weapons inspectors just to save face.And George Dubbya got the excuse he wanted and here we are with this mess for future generations to inherit. Now if they could hand out guitars instead of weapons and get everyone playing music, that would be something.