mismatched amp+cab watt-rating

[_tom_]

How about a mix of a G12H and a V30? I'm looking for another speaker to go with the G12H in my 2x12 and was thinking a V30 after hearing loads of great tones from em.

[sambo]

cheers HTH.

so what about like Tom suggested- mixing speakers?

say, a 4x12 with 2 V30s and 2G12Hs???

and how easy is it to install/remove speakers if i were to buy a cab for the sole purpose of putting in new ones?

thanks again mate.

[dave_mc]

Hmmm.. using my Laney with a 60w cab.. it sounds fine so far but would I damage it? I dont ever crank it all the way up though I guess..

you're probably grand, celestion over-rate, as far as I know. also, not cranking it wouldn't hurt.

it's not just a matter of wattage either - depending on what speakers are in the cab you will get different tonal results.

+1

haha!... yer i did wonder whether valve/solid state would make a difference.

right ok, so i'll be needing (probably) a 100w or so cab.

got any recommendations btw dave? yours is a TT isnt it? or is that me being a fool as usual?

cheers

Yeah, i have a tt, but it's only available as a 4x12.

Framus do what looks to be a nice 2x12, on www.thomann.de for £197, or just under 300 euro. They have free postage to the UK on anything over 300 euro, so just buy like a packet of strings or something as well.

I haven't tried this cab, unfortunately, but it's loaded with vintage 30's and framus are, as far as I know, a pretty good brand. It's worth a look at least, though if you can try it that's obviously better.

of course, if you want a 4x12... there are a few framus 4x12's on thomann too, which I guess are worth a look, as well as the laney tt, and marshalls.

[sambo]

yer i remember seeing them a while back actually

seriously considering one in the future.

2x12 would probably serve me better as well just for the portability factor.

[dave_mc]

^ i guess the only thing is, your combo already has the v30... a 4x12 may make a bigger difference to the tone (though it'll be really big, loud and heavy)...

it's really up to you.

or it might be an idea to look at different speakers since you already have the v30- though that ups the cost...

[sambo]

mmm true.

the G12Hs seem close to my needs (from the Celestion range anyway), so maybe they could be worth looking at. I probably need to go and try a load of cabs now  :lol:

is it worth spending a load of money on the speakers though? is it a worht-while investment?

[dave_mc]

^ it is and it isn't. If the only thing stopping you from getting the tone you want in your head is the speakers, then it's worth it!

Don't forget eminence and Weber speakers as well (and jensen, but they're more aimed at Fendery tones, as far as I know), celestion aren't the only guys!

[sambo]

hmmm fair enough fair enough. Trying the ENGL through my H&K 4x12 sounded nasty... much too fizzy... but it made me see how much a cab can enhance the sound, with the right speakers of  course.

and yer i need to look into the various brands e.t.c. as i said before i really have NO idea speaker/cab wise.

cheers.

[dave_mc]

^ yeah. the problem is, it's a bit like trying pickups. There are about 4 speakers that every single company (near enough) uses for every single one of their cabs. It's quite a lottery, unfortunately.

[sambo]

ah i see what you mean. mmm.

what about the actual cab itself then? does that play an important or not?

it obviously must make some difference but what i mean is if i were to buy a cab of the right size and shape to experiment with different speaker combinations, would i have to take into consideration the materials/construction of the cab as well?

theres so many things to change in the world of guitars!!!!!! AGG! :x  

[dave_mc]

ah i see what you mean. mmm.

what about the actual cab itself then? does that play an important or not?

it obviously must make some difference but what i mean is if i were to buy a cab of the right size and shape to experiment with different speaker combinations, would i have to take into consideration the materials/construction of the cab as well?

theres so many things to change in the world of guitars!!!!!! AGG! :x  

yeah, the cab construction is extremely important too.

I guess as an (extremely basic) analogy, the speakers are a bit like pickups, while the cab is a bit like the guitar you're putting the pickup into.

[HTH AMPS]

the cab certainly makes a difference - some people even like the tone of straight cabs over slanted ones claiming that the bass end is slightly more solid.  

for my money, Marshall 4x12s are tried and tested - you really can't go wrong.

a pair of G12H-30s and V30s would certainly be a tasty pairing - nice and raunchy.

I've currently using a 4x12 with two V30-alikes (by HH) and two old G12Ms (25w).  this is a really cool setup too - I'm a sucker for old Greenbacks, I like the smoother mids.

As for portability - PAH!!!  worry about that when you're old, I'm 31 and a 4x12 is a pain in the ass to carry around, but the tone is godly.  life is too short for bad tone ;)

 :twisted:

[sambo]

the cab certainly makes a difference - some people even like the tone of straight cabs over slanted ones claiming that the bass end is slightly more solid.  

 :o ! thats verging on obsessive in my opinion... lol...

and yer i guess i should f*ck convenience and portability and just get a big mean looking, and 4x12 shouldnt i....  :lol:  :twisted:

im gonna start looking up marshall 4x12s now actually, cheers for the recommendation.

and that set-up of yours sounds niice- what kind of stuff do you play through it? heavy-ness of some kind im guessing... ? lol

cheers.

[sambo]

and bugger i didnt realise the cab was that important dave. hmmm

[dave_mc]

FWIW, i don't think marshall cabs match engls all that well, to be honest. In my opinion.