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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2007, 06:58:05 PM »
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Like Jonathan, I can pitch an E in my head and tune a guitar accordingly.I think that just about anyone can do it with practice.Years ago I locked the Beatles song "Norwegian Wood" into my brain-works for me. My son, however, does have perfect pitch-can recognise and recite any note and whilst he can't necessarily name a chord, can play it on piano after just one listen-I hate him.


I beleive the stat on that is 1 in 10 000. Lucky  :(
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2007, 07:04:39 PM »
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In fact humming or singing notes along with the guitar should be part of practice as it will greatly accelerate your ability to copy stuff and play melodies and solos (although some soloing seems bereft of melody)


Perhaps one day your ear will be as good as this guys - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3JGuNc48HY
brilliant lol

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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2007, 07:40:40 PM »
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^ that's pretty much the definition of perfect pitch, though (though granted you're doing it with only say one note). I guess with doing tune-ups the amount you are you can get it.

I have relative pitch, not perfect though.

No.

You are born with perfect pitch, you learn relative pitch. Perfect pitch is the ability to hear intervals in your head. For the rest of us, we have to memorize the beats that signify the type of interval being heard.

The ear has no memory. However, I know A when I hear it, and can tune up my guitar +/- 10 cents from A. I do not have perfect pitch. I did spend years doing relative pitch training, however, which is done in a unique way and method. And it really does work!

As for humming along with lines, I totally agree with Feline. It works.

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2007, 07:41:24 PM »
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Like Jonathan, I can pitch an E in my head and tune a guitar accordingly.I think that just about anyone can do it with practice.Years ago I locked the Beatles song "Norwegian Wood" into my brain-works for me. My son, however, does have perfect pitch-can recognise and recite any note and whilst he can't necessarily name a chord, can play it on piano after just one listen-I hate him.


I beleive the stat on that is 1 in 10 000. Lucky  :(

Not luck; hard work and practice!

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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2007, 07:42:59 PM »
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They've been around for years early/mid 90's I believe. Page used a guitar equipped with this on the Page/Plant tours.

Page is also as deaf as a coffin nail these days!

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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2007, 07:56:44 PM »
Years ago, in the days of vinyl, I remeber taking a Beatle album to my girlfriend's home and telling her that her turntable was running at the wrong speed-everything sounded wrong.She wouldn't have it.I eventually convinced her by playing along to NW at my home and having to detune to do so at hers. As Ben says, you have to work at it.
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2007, 08:25:55 PM »
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No.

You are born with perfect pitch, you learn relative pitch. Perfect pitch is the ability to hear intervals in your head. For the rest of us, we have to memorize the beats that signify the type of interval being heard.

The ear has no memory. However, I know A when I hear it, and can tune up my guitar +/- 10 cents from A. I do not have perfect pitch. I did spend years doing relative pitch training, however, which is done in a unique way and method. And it really does work!

As for humming along with lines, I totally agree with Feline. It works.


Well, I can hear intervals in my head (like a fourth, or whatever), but it'd be an interval from a random, arbitrary starting pitch. I couldn't hum an a (or any note), or name a note that was played, without hearing a reference pitch first.

I just never saw the point in putting in the practice to learn what an "e" or whatever sounds like. I'd rather spend the time practising or playing. More power to you if you can do it, though, it'd be awesome.

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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2007, 08:32:04 PM »
From years of working in a music shop and also setting up guitars I am pretty good at getting them in pitch by ear.  I know I don't have perfect pitch, but just like everyone else was saying, you get a song into your mind that you know perfectly and you check out the tuning using that.

When I started playing it was either pitch pipes or a tuning fork.  Pitch pipes were too much of a pain for me, the tuning fork is a lot better.  Once you are used to using it, you have the 440Hz in your mind and can hear it when you need it (Keep 100+ guitars in tune every day for 3 years and you wil hear it too!).  I still have one on the bench when I am working, though I don't really use it too much.  When I am settig up guitars now I use a Peterson Virtual Strobe tuner, though I do the initial tuning by ear.  Also, I always check with several open chords to see.

The guitar is not a perfectly tuned instrument anyway, this is why there are all the different methods of tuning the open strings to keep the intonation better.  I know that if you take 5 guitarists who do tune with their ears, and then you have each take a guitar tuned by someone else, they will make subtle changes to the tuning.  This oesn't mean that the guitars were tuned wrong in the first place, it more reflects what the style is that the guitarist will play more.

I think that there are pros and cons to an auto tuner, just the same as there are pros and cons to electronic tuners.  How many people who use an electronic tuner use the sound option?  If you are only tuning visually, then it is the same as using an auto tuner.
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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2007, 08:32:48 PM »
perfect gadget for a gigging guitarist imo, if it means you are ALWAYS in tune.

if i was out gigging all the time id fit it to my gigging guitars, 1 less thing to worry about!!

If it became mass produced and relatively standard \ cheap then there'd be less of those 'we just played 3 songs before we realised the guitar was out of tune slightly' moments ;)
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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2007, 08:33:18 PM »
well i think its a bloody marvellous piece of kit...


WHY should everyone have to be able to tune their guitar by ear themselves?!?! (i can, by the way)...

this would save time, as well as opening up a lot of possibilities in tunings that a lot of players may have never even considered before...

for example... ive always wondered - "what would it be like to play in open G?"... but ive never tried it much, especially not writing a song in such a tuning, just for the sheer fact that it takes too much time and effort, and would be impossible to play in a set with a guitar in standard tuning.


thats another thing to remember- not everyone has 1492876273 guitars so we dont all have the luxury of being able to have a guitar for each tuning

i dont see how anyone could fault the idea personally

ist just you oldies being nostalgic and holding on to the roots of guitar playing... pfftsch  :P

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« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2007, 08:34:10 PM »
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perfect gadget for a gigging guitarist imo, if it means you are ALWAYS in tune.

if i was out gigging all the time id fit it to my gigging guitars, 1 less thing to worry about!!

If it became mass produced and relatively standard \ cheap then there'd be less of those 'we just played 3 songs before we realised the guitar was out of tune slightly' moments ;)


+1!

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« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2007, 08:48:42 PM »
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They've been around for years early/mid 90's I believe. Page used a guitar equipped with this on the Page/Plant tours.

Page is also as deaf as a coffin nail these days!


Based on what??

1 in 10 000 just refers to the # of people "born" with perfect pitch.
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« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2007, 08:53:40 PM »
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They've been around for years early/mid 90's I believe. Page used a guitar equipped with this on the Page/Plant tours.

Page is also as deaf as a coffin nail these days!


Based on what??

Listen to his current mixes.

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1 in 10 000 just refers to the # of people "born" with perfect pitch.

That's probably an accurate number. It's a shame that a large percentage of those born with perfect pitch probably aren't even musicicans!

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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2007, 08:57:24 PM »
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WHY should everyone have to be able to tune their guitar by ear themselves?!?! (i can, by the way)...


also, it would be a fantastic bit of kit for those rare gigs where you have an audience, so you dont want to tune by ear and make them leave :P
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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2007, 09:02:01 PM »
haha! exactly!  :)

how do you tune on stage TO? with an electronic tuner? surely not by ear cause then as chris just said, the audience hears, which isnt really preferable.

so i assume you use some sort of tuner? if so... how can you (sorry for singling you out- just making an example), how can you slate this for being able to tune for people when you yourself use a tuner- just in another format?

its basically just a more conveniently placed tuner... and most guitarists/people who play guitar, use tuners of some kind. so looking at it that way, the whole "its for lazy people" argument, really isnt relevant.

(again- wasnt solely picking out you TO it was just the first person that came to mind- cause i know you play live e.t.c.     what i said applies to everyone else as well).