Author Topic: Long magnets or short magnets in BKPs? (Read 6343 times)

Twinfan · « **on:** June 14, 2007, 12:17:40 PM »

I've just been reading about vintage PAF pickups and wondered if the vintage style BKPs (Mule/Stormy Monday/Riff Raff) come with long or short magnets?

I would guess:

* Mules have long magnets ('59 spec Alnico IV PAFs)
* Riff Raffs have short magnets ('65 Alnico V Patent Number pickups)

What about Stormy Mondays? Where do they fit in?

HTH AMPS · « **Reply #1 on:** June 14, 2007, 09:44:33 PM »

my understanding of the SMs is they are a mellower PAF still with the long bar magnet - but more of that sweeter Peter Green type tone than some of the hotter PAFs that Duane Allman had (Hot Lanta etc...)

:twisted:

Tim · « **Reply #2 on:** June 15, 2007, 03:17:45 PM »

We use vintage cut 63.5mm long Alnicos in Stormy Monday and The Mule to be true to 57-59 era PAFs and then 60.3mm in the Riff Raff to be authentic to the Patent No. humbuckers of '60 onwards.

Twinfan · « **Reply #3 on:** June 15, 2007, 03:54:13 PM »

Cheers Tim!

5F6-A · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2007, 10:41:37 AM »

Quote from: Tim

We use vintage cut 63.5mm long Alnicos in Stormy Monday and The Mule to be true to 57-59 era PAFs and then 60.3mm in the Riff Raff to be authentic to the Patent No. humbuckers of '60 onwards.

what about the PG set Tim?

Will · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:08:02 AM »

what exactly are the pg blues anyway ??? :?

5F6-A · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2007, 10:59:56 PM »

Quote from: Will

what exactly are the pg blues anyway ??? :?

humbuckers in the style of the PAFs found in Peter Green's famous 59 LP.
A pic fo my guitar sporting a set:

Will · « **Reply #7 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:46:10 PM »

so a PAF thats out of phase?

Twinfan · « **Reply #8 on:** July 31, 2007, 08:42:07 AM »

Yep - a slight tweak on the Stormy Mondays I believe, designed to be set up out of phase as on the ex Peter Green/Gary Moore '59 Les Paul.

5F6-A · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:44:30 AM »

they use a birght type of alnico II and the neck p/u is wound in a very unique way, just like Peter's ex.

Tim · « **Reply #10 on:** August 06, 2007, 08:29:37 AM »

They're based on info I received from Charlie Chandler who worked on Gary Moores PG LP and actually had the covers off the humbuckers.I also got info from the guy who rewound the damaged neck pickup, Sam Lee,so the neck is wound in reverse like the original and with heavy formvar wire(not magnetically out of phase as often suggested).
Magnets-vintage cut 63.5mm rough cast Alnico II.
Gary Moore has been using the PG Blues in one of his LPs on his most recent tour.

blue · « **Reply #11 on:** August 06, 2007, 12:57:52 PM »

I saw one of the shows on that tour and (anorak on) recognised the pickups! that guitar did indeed sound fabulous! it's a replica of the Peter Green guitar. although to be fair he sounded pretty good on all his guitars