Author Topic: My Warpig7 fanned fret build (Read 25188 times)

noodleplugerine · « **Reply #15 on:** July 27, 2007, 02:17:37 AM »

Gorgeous design mate!

Can't wait to see the final pictures from either of you!

Love reading your conversation - It's such a great learn!

WezV · « **Reply #16 on:** July 27, 2007, 08:44:06 AM »

i think even if the string can go straight to the tuner there would not be enough of an angle over the nut to get good downward pressure. This will lead to poor sustain and possibly some buzzing!!

I think you are going to need a string tree behind the nut to get enough downward pressure - but that gonna make the strings more likely to hit the angled section so it will need some other kind of guide at that point. the problem is that all these 'solutions' take us further away from the ideal string travel of going straight from the nut to the tuner - but at least it should only really be needed on the higher strings. It should still function quite well - as long as its not a trem equipped guitar!!!

Oli · « **Reply #17 on:** July 27, 2007, 10:39:56 AM »

Quote from: WezV

i think even if the string can go straight to the tuner there would not be enough of an angle over the nut to get good downward pressure. This will lead to poor sustain and possibly some buzzing!!

I think you are going to need a string tree behind the nut to get enough downward pressure - but that gonna make the strings more likely to hit the angled section so it will need some other kind of guide at that point. the problem is that all these 'solutions' take us further away from the ideal string travel of going straight from the nut to the tuner - but at least it should only really be needed on the higher strings. It should still function quite well - as long as its not a trem equipped guitar!!!

Agreed - the final design should make the string arrive at the nut at the correct angle, whilst still clearing the headstock, when i get my tuners i'll measure them and do some drawings to solve it :)

I'm not a trem-man myself, i've only got one guitar with one- my Charvel... a trem remains pretty much an 80's kinda thing for me, and i have no cause to use it in the music i play, so the bridge is this one. With a fanned fret design, i feel that this bridge is preferable over a tune-o-matic due to the extra adjustment available :)

Oli · « **Reply #18 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:19:39 PM »

Some more progress, some good, some bad!

The bad:

Today I was routing the final bodyshape, just taking the last 4-5mm off prior to sanding. All was going well until I unclamped the body to move it round, and forgot that the centre of gravity was off the edge of the worktop. The result was a body that fell to the ground before i could catch it (damn you quick release clamps!), and some language that Gordon Ramsay would approve of. The aftermath:

Fortunately, none of it chipped off, so i can fix it with some some very low-viscosity superglue that can get deep into the cracks and hopefully it won't be too bad. I'll need to reshape the horn slightly to get rid of the dent that'll be left.

Another picture here

The good: (not good by anyone elses standards though ;))

Neck shaping is coming along reasonably well- the Purpleheart is tough stuff, so it's taking a while, but i'm getting there :)

Wes: I now have the tuners, and I won't need to have any jiggery-pokery with the high E to clear the headstock knuckle. The angle at which the strings will reach the nut should be plenty sufficient too :)

WezV · « **Reply #19 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:28:52 PM »

Quote from: Oli

Wes: I now have the tuners, and I won't need to have any jiggery-pokery with the high E to clear the headstock knuckle. The angle at which the strings will reach the nut should be plenty sufficient too :)

excellent news!!

just a shame about the drop. Personally i would go with hot hide for a repair like that. you would need to warm the area up first so the hot glue lowed into it better but structurally it would be a lot more secure than superglue. Especially since i guess you are having a strap button there - super glue might not stop it from splitting again as a screw was put in

the volute looks huge

Oli · « **Reply #20 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:42:45 PM »

Quote from: WezV

Quote from: Oli

Wes: I now have the tuners, and I won't need to have any jiggery-pokery with the high E to clear the headstock knuckle. The angle at which the strings will reach the nut should be plenty sufficient too :)

excellent news!!

just a shame about the drop. Personally i would go with hot hide for a repair like that. you would need to warm the area up first so the hot glue lowed into it better but structurally it would be a lot more secure than superglue. Especially since i guess you are having a strap button there - super glue might not stop it from splitting again as a screw was put in

the volute looks huge

I hadn't thought about hide glue- I took the body down to Luthiers Supplies and one of the builders down there suggested the superglue... i'll have a read up on hide glue, never used it before.

Hehe, the volute IS huge :p I need to get it down more, but it will be larger than a normal one, but it's also shaped so that i can slide my hand down the neck and when it hits (and stops) at the volute: BAM! a B5 chord shalt be produced :)

WezV · « **Reply #21 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:53:08 PM »

the super glue might work just fine for 9 out of 10 repairs - its just the fact its yet to have a screw added and might be under a bit more pressure in this area.. superglue has very little strength so might just crack open again.

hide glue is harder to work with though and the thing i said about heating that area is crucial to getting a good flow of glue into the crack. heat lamps work best if you have them but other than that a hairdryer should get you through

Oli · « **Reply #22 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:55:47 PM »

Quote from: WezV

the super glue might work just fine for 9 out of 10 repairs - its just the fact its yet to have a screw added and might be under a bit more pressure in this area.. superglue has very little strength so might just crack open again.

hide glue is harder to work with though and the thing i said about heating that area is crucial to getting a good flow of glue into the crack. heat lamps work best if you have them but other than that a hairdryer should get you through

Ah righty, looks like hide glue then :) There's probably a heat lamp or two i can get ahold of. I'll dig out the compressor to blow the dust and other cr@p that's got inside the crack away.

Oli · « **Reply #23 on:** August 04, 2007, 11:09:27 PM »

Neck shaping getting there, probably about two hours left i'd say:

And as promised, the volute has been 'tamed' :) Certainly still bigger than a standard one, but i think this is the final size for this guitar.

The fretboard is yet to be radiused, so it'll come down from ~8mm thick to about 7 when done :) It'll be fun!

noodleplugerine · « **Reply #24 on:** August 05, 2007, 01:18:31 AM »

Gorgeous neck!

WezV · « **Reply #25 on:** August 05, 2007, 10:01:41 AM »

what do you mean two hours left!!! - can carve a neck from scratch in less than two hours!!!

I really like the laminations - but i reckon the volute is a bit much

dave_mc · « **Reply #26 on:** August 05, 2007, 03:07:09 PM »

that sucks about the drop, it looks really nice!

opprobrium_9 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 07, 2007, 02:01:24 PM »

Quote from: WezV

the super glue might work just fine for 9 out of 10 repairs - its just the fact its yet to have a screw added and might be under a bit more pressure in this area.. superglue has very little strength so might just crack open again.

hide glue is harder to work with though and the thing i said about heating that area is crucial to getting a good flow of glue into the crack. heat lamps work best if you have them but other than that a hairdryer should get you through

Is hide glue basically animal glue, or is this something different entirely?

EDIT: Oli, just out of curiosity, what is in between that purpleheart?

WezV · « **Reply #28 on:** August 07, 2007, 02:35:50 PM »

yeah, basically thats the idea

Oli · « **Reply #29 on:** August 07, 2007, 02:56:11 PM »

The centre laminate of the neck is Paduk, pretty easy to work with.... and smells nice! :p