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pagan7

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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2007, 11:08:20 PM »
In music as in life...timing is everything.
I've always found that a multi effects unit with a built in drum machine is a great tool to have around..even when you wander off from practicing your chops and start widdling....if its in time with a drum loop....it's worthwhile.
Also practicing scales etc with a totally different effects patch each time helps keep things fresh and can inspire new riffs....but yea too much GAS can seriously distract you from actually playing the things   hah.
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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2007, 12:01:06 AM »
I got classical spanish acoustic lessons for 2 years when I was 11 which gave me a really good grounding in the instrument. As soon as you master rhythm, timing and a basic ear for melody, you can build upon that.

I've never really learned scales/chord shapes (beyond the basic pentatonics and barres), I play everything by ear (can transcribe by ear, work out chord shapes by ear etc.) I'd say an ear for melody/harmony is arguably the most important thing to playing guitar, at least in a songwriting context.

There's another thing - write LOADS of your own songs! Learning to play other people's is fun and can obviously improve your technique, but nothing beats writing your own stuff for creativity and artistic improvement.

Next time you hear a song you love, try to work out little bits about it you like - that lovely little one-beat rest, the off-beat accents, the frantic stabbing of harmonic dischords over a standard scale bassline - and try to implement it in your songs. After a while you'll have so many ideas and influences you'll be writing hybrids of all your favourite bits into your tunes as second nature! (I keep writing riffs, then while listening through my music I suddenly go - hey! that's where I got that idea from! without even realising when I'd written it  :lol: )

.50 Caliber Bob

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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2007, 08:45:36 PM »
Thanks for all the input guys, it's really good to see I'm not the only people in the same boat!

I got a new job yesterday, which means I am going to treat myself to a new set up (Fender Champ 600, Bad Monkey, Verbzilla, nothing too pricey and flash, but a good basic set up I feel, and a significant improvement on my spider II 75 watt!).

So the new set up should stave off the gas for a while, and I think I am going to go down the lessons route, at least to begin with, until I get into a comfortable practise routine of my own!

Lastly, does anyone have any book recommendations to learn a bit of basic guitar theory (just enough to get me going...)

Thanks!

Blueminerva

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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2007, 11:00:53 PM »
I've got an amazing book called "how to write songs on guitar" by Rikky Rooksby which I bought off amazon.

It not only covers the elements of basic theory on the guitar (chord shapes, scales) but also goes over some more advanced shapes and even chord arrangements for songwriting.

It's also got a really interesting section on how to get influences for songwriting and lyrics to get your creative juices flowing, and everything's really big and colourful! (Yes I'm a child and I like big colourful things :P)

Highly recommended (by me):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Write-Songs-Guitar-Playing/dp/0879306114/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/202-7113327-4619809?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183499935&sr=8-1

Ted

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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2007, 01:53:42 PM »
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I read the start of this thread and thought I must have written it myself, then had a memory lapse.

Wish I could help, but I am very much in the same boat.  

I'm convinced finding a teacher is probably the best bet, but it must be hard to find the right one.  And being limited to public transport, I don't really fancy lugging a gigbag round the seedy outskirts of London on evenings and weekends.


Philly, I remember you said you're SW London based, my teacher is based in Clapham Common (northside). I found him by accident after months of searching, He's a great guy + good value. PM me if you're interested. Or anyone else for that matter...

Dangbh

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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2007, 11:27:55 PM »
Now this is a topic that I can relate to!  I wonder if there's a record for the longest time spent farting around with guitars before actually deciding to learn to play them properly.

I bought my first guitar when I was 18, having farted around with a borrowed one for some time before that.  

I have decided to knuckle (ahem) down to some proper learning.

I am 37.

To this end, and with your last request in mind, .50 Caliber Bob, I am using two books:

'10 minute Guitar Workout' by David Mead and
'Fretboard Roadmaps' by Fred Sokolow

The Mead book is the main one I'm concentrating on.  The 'workout' of the title mainly consists of exercises designed to improve fingering skills, but it's about getting used to scales, too, and there's loads of other theory in there, not just the workout; The Roadmaps book is a slightly different approach to getting your head and fingers around the important stuff.  
Between them I'm working out a practice program which so far I think is hugely enjoyable, at least, and what's more I seriously believe I'm learning something.  Fact is, most of the books out there are utterly useless, so it's nice to find a couple that seem to have been written with some wit behind the method.  I reckon that most people could come up with some good ways to practice by looking at one or both of these.
There again, everyone likes different teaching styles...
'Nuff rambling, hope that helps!

Mr Ed

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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2007, 11:34:18 PM »
Can anyone recommend any tutorial DVD's (for example) that would benefit me in my quest to play faster and more technical solos. I'm not talking ubermetal fast but just a bit better than I am now.

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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2007, 08:44:26 AM »
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Can anyone recommend any tutorial DVD's (for example) that would benefit me in my quest to play faster and more technical solos. I'm not talking ubermetal fast but just a bit better than I am now.


Doug Doppler guitar 411, I have it and its great. Starts off basic and builds up. Really opens up fretboard.

He's a nice guy too, having exchanged a few emails with him about his Ibanez collection, which is immense.

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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2007, 10:28:22 AM »
Buy Guitar Techniques magazine - there is great tuition articles in there - I am still working through April 2002's copy!
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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2007, 11:03:28 AM »
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Can anyone recommend any tutorial DVD's (for example) that would benefit me in my quest to play faster and more technical solos. I'm not talking ubermetal fast but just a bit better than I am now.


Doug Doppler guitar 411, I have it and its great. Starts off basic and builds up. Really opens up fretboard.

He's a nice guy too, having exchanged a few emails with him about his Ibanez collection, which is immense.


Good call, cheers. I'll keep moi eyes open.