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Kilby

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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2007, 11:02:33 PM »
THe LP (providing it was a good un) would be my choice too.

You tend not to grow out of LPs, strats et al   :oops:
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2007, 11:11:24 PM »
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I'd take a Les Paul over that Blackmachine 'thing' any day of the week.....


I cannot see the pic  :x

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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2007, 11:26:38 PM »
I love the Darkburst colour   8)

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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2007, 12:17:42 AM »
i prefer metallic black like mine, but this Hurricane has a badass finish:

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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2007, 12:47:07 AM »
By the way I do like the black machine, and particularly like the thin body, but I would find more uses for the LP. despite finding them overly thick (and often too heavy as well)

I would like to see Blackmachines take on the LP and firebird models though.
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2007, 01:27:31 AM »
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I don't recognise the brand, but if they're a well-made instrument and hold value well in Brazil I'd say go for it.

LP > any guitar with a pointy headstock.

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hmmm no, thanks!  :lol:

Quote from: Twinfan
I'd take a Les Paul over that Blackmachine 'thing' any day of the week.....



great finish!
some hurricanes have this beautiful flamed top too


BlackMachine guitars are really nice, but theres NOTHING like a good Les Paul.  That picture Twinfan posted says it all really - how can you compete with that?

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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2007, 01:49:49 AM »
No contest on the LP vs Blackmachine - I'm sure Blackmachines are fantastic, but the look does nothing for me.

Going back to JP's original question, that's a lot tougher - I don't usually like superstrats but that ESP is lovely, nice and tasteful like a Hamer Diablo.  And the Hurricane weighing a ton would put me off - but it's not me having to choose.  :)
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2007, 02:56:19 AM »
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I see the web site of Blackmachine... have some nice guitars, but they're to thinner... 27 or 28mm... mmmmm
How much wood you got, how much sustain and tone you got... so go to gym, don't make a thinner body! :D huahahahahaha


dont be fooled into thinking the thinness of black machines is a bad thing - they sound so bloody good!!  the whole point is that they are thinner, that will in no way decrease tone or sustain -

thats kind  of the 80's way of thinking that heavier was better for tone and sustain, and people ended up with tone sucking brass nust!!!  More weight, mass, actuall volume of wood = more sustain = absolutely big hairy balls!!! :shock:

the whole sustain thing just comes down to marketing hype anyway!!, how much bloody sustain do you need.

lets put it this way, i have made a few not so good guitars in my time but i have never made one that lacked sustain.  I have come across very few guitars that lacked sufficient sustain in a way that couldnt be overcome by a set-up.  If  a guitar is put togther well it will never suffer from a lack of sustain no matter what the neck join is, what ther bridge is, what woods are used or how how thick it is...

.. after that, if you need more sustain, you need to invest in a sustainer

as for tone, well you really need to play a black machine before saying they lack any tone.... tone does not come from having more wood to soak up string vibration- the choice of wood is just as improtant as the thickness.  you may notice doug prefers mahogany for his thin super strats.. if it was full thickness mahogany would be the outside choice for the kind of guitars he makes

anyway, good tone is completely subjective

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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2007, 03:27:06 AM »
^^^ +100

Exactly.

I don't care if you think they're too thin to get good sustain - It's a total wives tail. I've played massive table chunks of full Mahogany LPs that have less sustain than a sack of potatoes.

It's not the quantity of wood you have, it's the quality, type and build quality that determines the sound of a guitar and it's sustain. And Black Machines are top on all of that.

The guitars sing absolutely beautifully - And nobody can tell me that they aren't some of the very very greatest guitars I have ever played.
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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2007, 03:41:15 AM »
Hey man! I didn't said that his guitars has bad tone or sustain... I tried to say something like the diference between a SG and a Les Paul, same woods, but different thickness and different mass of sound...

For logistic problems (Blackmachine guitars are some thousands miles away from where I live) I've never played one, but actually everybody says it's a good guitar and, for the pics I've see, they look very well builted.

So, I'm sorry for my misunderstood phrase... I'm sure the Blackmachines guitars are good and I wasn't trying in any form to throw mud on Doug's name.

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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2007, 06:20:35 AM »
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I'd take a Les Paul over that Blackmachine 'thing' any day of the week.....



Twinfan, i assume this is yours? I am literally drooling on my computer screen, wait, not i'm not, that would be disgusting.  I hope to make one of those some day!  Love the burst over that curly (?) maple... mmm, delicious!
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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2007, 06:30:00 AM »
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ESP rocks harder to me, would keep it.

Is that your pool?


Hails Hunter. Yha,its my Pool.

i´m having a strong suspicious/feeling that i´ll end upwith a stratocaster(my favorite guitar shaep of them all) a les paul, a FLying V(gibson shape) and my charvel(my second lover,first is my fiancee ahahah)
and maybe a 7 string guitar.

thats why i´m kinda undecided about it
Q:(
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2007, 06:31:59 AM »
Yah,I´m from João Pessoa - PB.
The land where we are crushed by the southern and southeastern faggots.
i personally hate people from Rio De Janeiro,so far.
they are disgusting. sorry if you are form RJ,but i couldn´t find a single guy from there that worth a piece of shite.
Even people frommy family.
they $%&#gin think they are in Hollywood or something
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah  $%&# them.
Hails.
JP

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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2007, 06:42:57 AM »
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i think that's yours, right WFD?

The same guitar, same colour, different pickups
i would put a set of COLD SWEATS IN there.... or a cold sweat neck and a Miracle man bridge(or a painkiller)

Jp
Now i´m really in doubt if i´ll tarde or not
what i´m in doubt is : if it worth.. but since you guys,don´t know the brand, it´s hard for you to judge..
I liked Both guitars, but i think the les paul has WAY MORE sound than the esp. even with stock pups.
plus,i´ll paint it all in trans black.
Q:)
AND i ´ll put a chrome hardware, if i´ll keep it and do the trade.
Hails
JP
thanks