Author Topic: any good fast legato players on this board? (Read 22147 times)

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #15 on:** October 15, 2007, 06:37:09 PM »

Quote from: Johnny Mac

I like it but i love the attack of fast alternate picked runs like Zakk does too. But that's also very hard to learn!!

A combination of both is the best imo, though you don't get many of those kind of players, they are either fast pickers or all legato.

Johnny Mac · « **Reply #16 on:** October 15, 2007, 06:45:02 PM »

Quote from: Crazy_Joe

Quote from: Johnny Mac
I like it but i love the attack of fast alternate picked runs like Zakk does too. But that's also very hard to learn!!

A combination of both is the best imo, though you don't get many of those kind of players, they are either fast pickers or all legato.

I've noticed that too, well stick with what you find easiest, picking knackers my right arm after a while, or is that something else?? :roll: :lol:

Will · « **Reply #17 on:** October 15, 2007, 06:54:39 PM »

I find the Zakk runs a bit easier and find timing easier to hit.

when i started i rarely did legato, so not as good at that :(

but love its feeling :)

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #18 on:** October 15, 2007, 06:55:01 PM »

Quote from: Johnny Mac

Quote from: Crazy_Joe
Quote from: Johnny Mac
I like it but i love the attack of fast alternate picked runs like Zakk does too. But that's also very hard to learn!!

A combination of both is the best imo, though you don't get many of those kind of players, they are either fast pickers or all legato.

I've noticed that too, well stick with what you find easiest, picking knackers my right arm after a while, or is that something else?? :roll: :lol:

lmao :lol:

Pauldem · « **Reply #19 on:** October 15, 2007, 08:46:34 PM »

I think that the combination of the two styles can provide you with some great turnarounds. I spent years working on the Zakk Style and then realised that the majority of guitarists use the same pentatonic picking technique. They just happen to use it in moderation so when you do hear the run it kinda stands out from their other playing. Most of my playing is now Legato with hints of picking for accent.

Marty Friedman, Richie Kotzen and Eric Johnson all use the 'Zakk' scale but have a variety of different styles around it. Kotzens Legato and picking technique is pretty stunning and still makes me want to pack it all in. For me Satch is one of the greatest exponents of Legato, Flying in a Blue Dream and Memories are killers.

I'm not really a fan of Randy Rhoads, was more of a Jake E Lee fan. Was Rhoads really that good or just a bad version of EVH and Yngwie?

CJ · « **Reply #20 on:** October 16, 2007, 02:01:55 AM »

Quote from: Pauldem

I'm not really a fan of Randy Rhoads, was more of a Jake E Lee fan. Was Rhoads really that good or just a bad version of EVH and Yngwie?

i'm assuming you're retarded? i mean, really, a bad version of EVH and yngwie? first of all, he's completely different from EVH. He can't be a copy of him seeing as he was in quiet riot when van halen was starting up. Van halen just got popular first so people think he's just a copy. and yngwie? how can you even say yngwie is worthy of being a stage crew member for rhoads, let alone better than him.

Pauldem · « **Reply #21 on:** October 16, 2007, 08:55:52 AM »

That seems a little harsh coming from someone who didn't know what Legato was. If you're a Rhoads fan, point me at something that will make me believe that he was 'great'. All I've heard from the Ozzy stuff is half ass'd Neo-classical and poor tapping licks. If you don't like Yngwie as a comparison, then Michael Schenker or Uli Jon Roth should cover the classical bit. For the rest George Lynch and Steve Lukather were about so that covers the LA style.

I think it'd be interesting to hear how he'd sound today if he'd not passed on. The fact that he is no longer with us though, is not enough to grant him the status that Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn command. In the meantime, I've not heard anything that I haven't heard better elsewhere.

noodleplugerine · « **Reply #22 on:** October 16, 2007, 09:01:42 AM »

I'm prone to agree here - None of the Ozzy guitarists have impressed me in the least, other than the fact that they're good "band guitarists".

Randy Rhoads is raved about, but he's nothing compared to the big names =/

As far as I can see, he was an image guitarist, like Slash.

Back on topic - I just reread the topic title - it says "Fast legato", if you're not sustaining the notes majorly, then why would you need a comp?

_tom_ · « **Reply #23 on:** October 16, 2007, 11:29:13 AM »

Quote from: noodleplugerine

I'm prone to agree here - None of the Ozzy guitarists have impressed me in the least, other than the fact that they're good "band guitarists".

Not even Jake E Lee?! :o You're hard to please.

Wind to 1:52 in this video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jSNuIzw9VfU 8)

Will · « **Reply #24 on:** October 16, 2007, 04:30:08 PM »

Quote from: _tom_

Quote from: noodleplugerine
I'm prone to agree here - None of the Ozzy guitarists have impressed me in the least, other than the fact that they're good "band guitarists".

Not even Jake E Lee?! :o You're hard to please.

Wind to 1:52 in this video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jSNuIzw9VfU 8)

and he rewrote that solo for the 86 tour :o
And well, Randy was made a legend by his early death, but did inspire the now big names i guess. Imagine if EVH had died

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #25 on:** October 16, 2007, 04:35:28 PM »

You can't call Ozzy's guitarists band guitarists, that's just silly. All of Ozzy's guitarists are pretty unique and do their thing well, very well.

Pauldem · « **Reply #26 on:** October 16, 2007, 05:16:38 PM »

Well Jake scared me as I had no idea what he was doing when I first heard RNR Rebel and Bark at the moon. Even Ultimates Sins solo is superb. Then there was No more tears and Zakk blew me away some of his playing all be it pentatonic was just really alive. When he mixes it up with country like the solo in P&G's Toe 'n' the line, it gives me goose bumps. The shame is I just don't like what he does now

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FELINEGUITARS · « **Reply #27 on:** October 16, 2007, 05:35:06 PM »

I think that the saddest thing about Randy was that he never got a chance to bloom or show what he was capable of.

He admitted that live he did lift a bit of EVH's solo - he was a fan of Eddie and in some ways never really had enough time to develop his own stuff for live use, as life on the road with Ozzy was a bit hectic back then.

In that short period 1980-82 there were 2 ground-breaking albums written and recorded and major touring inroads made.

The whole hotshot guitarist thing was only starting to reemerge after the whole punk/new wave thing as well.

Ozzy did have a stream of good players...including Bernie Torme, Brad Gillis, Jake, Zakk and Joe Holmes

I found that the more emphasis on who was the hottest guitarist detracted away from the great music that was being written

However there are some great technicians out there - Paul Gilbert must still be one of my favourites....

CUBE · « **Reply #28 on:** October 16, 2007, 05:35:42 PM »

Jake was the reason i began playing guitar

Johnny Mac · « **Reply #29 on:** October 16, 2007, 06:26:55 PM »

Quote from: noodleplugerine

I'm prone to agree here - None of the Ozzy guitarists have impressed me in the least, other than the fact that they're good "band guitarists".

Randy Rhoads is raved about, but he's nothing compared to the big names =/

As far as I can see, he was an image guitarist, like Slash.

Back on topic - I just reread the topic title - it says "Fast legato", if you're not sustaining the notes majorly, then why would you need a comp?

Band guitarists? :? Well they all blow us away in here and we're not likely to get anywhere near their talent. Hmmm..Anyway..

Oh and Slash can play mate don't delude yourself there!

Well a compresser would help even out the dynamics so if your pull offs are a bit uneven then it could cover that up a bit, but it's best to practise clean with no effects to nail it and it takes a lot of practise, years.