any good fast legato players on this board?

[noodleplugerine]

Don't confuse Band guitarists with BAD guitarists, all I'm saying is why does Randy get more credit than someone like Jeff Loomis, Symphony X guy or John Petrucci, or any other "band guitarist" who can play well.

I just don't see what makes him a step above.

[FELINEGUITARS]

Don't confuse Band guitarists with BAD guitarists, all I'm saying is why does Randy get more credit than someone like Jeff Loomis, Symphony X guy or John Petrucci, or any other "band guitarist" who can play well.

I just don't see what makes him a step above.

I feel that band players get more exposure through the easier accesability of the music that they play in the context of.
Also maybe certain band players play for the song and their greatness has a context.
Sadly some fantastic players are in bands that many people find unlistenable because of the nature of the music or because of a singer who can't sing or does that cookie monster vocal style

Good example : George Lynch
In Dokken he rocked and many people got to hear his playing on the radio, at a gig or even on MTV.

His post Dokken stuff whilst possibly even more technically proficient
1) just doesnt get heard by most people
2) isnt as easy on the ear and "hummable"
3) doesn't get him on a concert billing where you can get to see him very often

As for poor old John Petrucci.....he seems to be in a band that allows for 20 minute keyboard solos followed by a 10 minute bass solo etc etc

I saw them on the Images and Words tour and also on the Awake tour and as good as they were - they were self indulgent and boring with all the extended solos, when the material they had would let them rock the house.

I guess I still go to see bands more with the mindset of a rock-fan rather than a guitar nut.

Ok - just my opinions but maybe ones shared by others here and there.

[CJ]

That seems a little harsh coming from someone who didn't know what Legato was. If you're a Rhoads fan, point me at something that will make me believe that he was 'great'. All I've heard from the Ozzy stuff is half ass'd Neo-classical and poor tapping licks. If you don't like Yngwie as a comparison, then Michael Schenker or Uli Jon Roth should cover the classical bit. For the rest George Lynch and Steve Lukather were about so that covers the LA style.

I think it'd be interesting to hear how he'd sound today if he'd not passed on. The fact that he is no longer with us though, is not enough to grant him the status that Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn command. In the meantime, I've not heard anything that I haven't heard better elsewhere.

i've heard very few guitarists play rhythm as well as Randy did. Most guitarists try to play something simple during verses while Randy's songs were always very complex. You can't deny he wasn't a great soloist. I can't name a song where i didn't think his solo was incredible. He also seems to play with more emotion than any guitarist i've ever heard. go listen to goodbye to romance, particularly the solo. Also, he was a very good classical music player, though he was still taking lessons even while playing for ozzy. go have a listen to Dee.

And may I ask, have you ever listened to the Tribute album? This is where he was his greatest. They should've just recorded their albums live.

by the way, i was joking about calling you retarded, although i do feel that you are WRONG! :x

[Philly Q]

Randy Rhoads is raved about, but he's nothing compared to the big names =/

I'm not really into these who's-"better"-than-who pissing contests  :roll: , but just curious - who did you have in mind as the "big names"?

[il˙ti]

As for poor old John Petrucci.....he seems to be in a band that allows for 20 minute keyboard solos followed by a 10 minute bass solo etc etc

Sadly that's not the case. They rarely have bass solos, and when they do, it's in the context of a song. Such a shame becuase John Myung is brilliant when he does have his moments in the sun, i.e. intro to Scarred, ending of Trial of Tears, fusion shred in Dance of Eternity.

DT happens to have a very diverse fanbase. Some come for the metal, some for the prog, and some to see the players. DT tries to please them all.

[JDC]

back onto legato, I've acquired some Rusty Cooley DVDs

his legato is "so good" it sounds like a laser gun!!!

technique wise he is probably the best guitarist I've ever heard but musically he really doesn't have any sense of feel, he needs a few lessons off Joe Satriani

[noodleplugerine]

Randy Rhoads is raved about, but he's nothing compared to the big names =/

I'm not really into these who's-"better"-than-who pissing contests  :roll: , but just curious - who did you have in mind as the "big names"?

Becker, Lane, Govan, Vai, Santana, Satriani, Malmsteen, Hendrix, etc.

[Pauldem]

i've heard very few guitarists play rhythm as well as Randy did. Most guitarists try to play something simple during verses while Randy's songs were always very complex. You can't deny he wasn't a great soloist. I can't name a song where i didn't think his solo was incredible. He also seems to play with more emotion than any guitarist i've ever heard. go listen to goodbye to romance, particularly the solo. Also, he was a very good classical music player, though he was still taking lessons even while playing for ozzy. go have a listen to Dee.

And may I ask, have you ever listened to the Tribute album? This is where he was his greatest. They should've just recorded their albums live.

by the way, i was joking about calling you retarded, although i do feel that you are WRONG! :x

Well I have a feeling this is simply down to a matter of opinion. I know all the material you mention and I still think his death had a large part to play in his elevated status. I was chatting with Jonathan from Feline regarding the RR legacy and he echoed the sentiment that Randy never had the chance to bloom. He could've been amazing but I think his potential was never realised while he was alive.

I'd say that as guitarists, we have so many options available in terms of heroes that it's important that we keep an open mind. Real heroes are people like Jason Becker, who was stricken down with Lou Gehrigs Disease. A protege player now sadly only able to communicate with eye movements. Check out his yoyo solo on Youtube, the man was insanely talented.

[Crazy_Joe]

Randy Rhoads is raved about, but he's nothing compared to the big names =/

I'm not really into these who's-"better"-than-who pissing contests  :roll: , but just curious - who did you have in mind as the "big names"?

Becker, Lane, Govan, Vai, Santana, Satriani, Malmsteen, Hendrix, etc.

Personally, i feel that Vai, Santana, Satriani, Malmsteen, Hendrix are all more famous than Randy Rhoads anyways and that Randy doesn't get as much recognition as them haha.
Also, while people like Becker and Malmsteen are good at what they do, what do they do apart from shredding their arses off to give them a legendary guitarist status?

[FELINEGUITARS]

Here is a live Jake E Lee solo I found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqtk6kKTlDM

[Pauldem]

HAHahaha genius. Ozzy really is masterful with the crowd in this clip! I'm glad I've seen the original mind you .

[dave_mc]

Personally, i feel that Vai, Santana, Satriani, Malmsteen, Hendrix are all more famous than Randy Rhoads anyways and that Randy doesn't get as much recognition as them haha.
Also, while people like Becker and Malmsteen are good at what they do, what do they do apart from shredding their arses off to give them a legendary guitarist status?

1- vai keeps bees.  :lol:

2- to be fair, they are guitarists. No-one says "well, he came up with relativity, but what else did einstein do?", or "well, he could race a car pretty quickly, but what else did schumacher do?"

It just seems that in guitar there's a totally different type of scale to everything else- at times (thankfully this has gone away a little) it's almost uncool to be any good.

Don't get me wrong, if I go to a concert I don't necessarily want to listen to someone out-and-out shredding for an hour and a half. And sometimes the simple stuff does rock harder. But if there are good songs there too, I don't see the problem with being a great player, and being allowed some cool solos, either.

[Kepu]

It just seems that in guitar there's a totally different type of scale to everything else- at times (thankfully this has gone away a little) it's almost uncool to be any good.

This is quite irrelevant, but those of you who really listen to death metal must've noticed that it's getting more and more technical (and boring) all the time nowadays

[badgermark]

No-one says "well, he came up with relativity, but what else did einstein do?"

He also contributed to an explanation of the Brownian movement of molecules, atomic transition probabilities, the quantum theory of a monatomic gas, thermal properties of light with low radiation density (which laid the foundation for the photon theory), a theory of radiation including stimulated emission, the conception of a unified field theory, and the geometrization of physics.

I had to learn about his contribution to quantum theory last year. Man done a lot.

[Crazy_Joe]

Personally, i feel that Vai, Santana, Satriani, Malmsteen, Hendrix are all more famous than Randy Rhoads anyways and that Randy doesn't get as much recognition as them haha.
Also, while people like Becker and Malmsteen are good at what they do, what do they do apart from shredding their arses off to give them a legendary guitarist status?

1- vai keeps bees.  :lol:

2- to be fair, they are guitarists. No-one says "well, he came up with relativity, but what else did einstein do?", or "well, he could race a car pretty quickly, but what else did schumacher do?"

It just seems that in guitar there's a totally different type of scale to everything else- at times (thankfully this has gone away a little) it's almost uncool to be any good.

Don't get me wrong, if I go to a concert I don't necessarily want to listen to someone out-and-out shredding for an hour and a half. And sometimes the simple stuff does rock harder. But if there are good songs there too, I don't see the problem with being a great player, and being allowed some cool solos, either.

Yeah, that's true i suppose, though it would be nice to hear them do something a bit different once in a while if your going to call them 'legendary'.

And to the death metal thing, it's definatley not as good as the old school but still we have some great death metal bands out there, e.g. Nile, Necrophagist etc.