Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: Johnny Mac on August 19, 2008, 09:02:34 PM
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u0CIy9ZZEQE&feature=related
Check out this kick at the end, ouch!
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I think Kung Fu man owned him. Completely.
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Interesting stuff... you tube is great for that sorta thing...
I've been involved with martial arts for over twenty years, and I'm always fascinated by different styles and their effectiveness against other styles...
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I wouldn't want to rely on either one in a fight. :)
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it's good, when you've put some much time into a martial art, that executing the moves with precision becomes second nature. till then, it's better not to get in a fight, cos you'll just embarras yourself.
as for this lil vid.. one of them was good at kicking and dodging, the other wasn't and that's pretty much all that you can see there. they're probably amateurs too, cos the red one kept using the same tricks over and over and the white one didn't even pick up on that. when your oponents main strenght is kicking, you don't back away either, you got to get close, grab him by the ankles, and carry him out of the ring lol ... though the fun starts when he's got a knife and you don't
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I think a contest - note I didn't say fight - like this doesn't really show much about either of the arts being used. The situation is not representative of a real flight, where being on the losing side could have dire consequences.
I went off competitive sparring years ago as it didn't really add to what I considered my martial education. In my opinion it just developed ego, and the façade that you're any good at fighting.
The way people train and their mental attitude towards their training really does have a major effect on whatever art you're studying and then what comes out under stress if you have to use it one day. Those endless hours marching up and down the dojo doing the same move over and over until it's in the subconscious means bugger all unless you can do that under real stress. If you're not going to get hit when you miss a block when sparing, then you're not going develop the ability to react when the adrenalin dumps and you're in real fear of you life. Also it means than when someone really does plant one on you, that you can deal with that surprise to your system that stops people not used to getting the odd knock in their tracks. If you know your partner is not going to hit you if you miss a block, then he/she, and the school you are training at are doing you a disservice. You may as well go and do aerobics, as you are not training in a martial art.
Ooops a daisy, that turned into a little rant.
Anyway back to it, wipe on, wipe off, wipe on, wipe off, wipe...
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Interesting, I always saw sparing as an increase in my skills (I did Wado Ryu BTW). It was my favorite part of training.
We were all taught though that technique between sparing and a real scr@p are very different and that if we were in a real scr@p that neatness went out of the window. If you had to fight, then make sure you end it very quickly, preferably with taking their teeth completetly out their mouth............ that's why I like Wado Ryu (a very old traditional karate), it was very practical :D
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I think a contest - note I didn't say fight - like this doesn't really show much about either of the arts being used. The situation is not representative of a real flight, where being on the losing side could have dire consequences.
I went off competitive sparring years ago as it didn't really add to what I considered my martial education. In my opinion it just developed ego, and the façade that you're any good at fighting.
The way people train and their mental attitude towards their training really does have a major effect on whatever art you're studying and then what comes out under stress if you have to use it one day. Those endless hours marching up and down the dojo doing the same move over and over until it's in the subconscious means bugger all unless you can do that under real stress. If you're not going to get hit when you miss a block when sparing, then you're not going develop the ability to react when the adrenalin dumps and you're in real fear of you life. Also it means than when someone really does plant one on you, that you can deal with that surprise to your system that stops people not used to getting the odd knock in their tracks. If you know your partner is not going to hit you if you miss a block, then he/she, and the school you are training at are doing you a disservice. You may as well go and do aerobics, as you are not training in a martial art.
Ooops a daisy, that turned into a little rant.
Anyway back to it, wipe on, wipe off, wipe on, wipe off, wipe...
+1, you learn far more from cleaning cars than you do from non contact fighting.
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The thing with Eshan Shafiq is that he posts all these edited fights on Youtube of him fighting people who aren't very good. Apparently he does Mizhongquan, but you really wouldn't know from watching him fight, he just does a load of flashy kicking which works because he's fighting below par opposition.
it's good, when you've put some much time into a martial art, that executing the moves with precision becomes second nature. till then, it's better not to get in a fight, cos you'll just embarras yourself.
That's not really true, a good school should be able to develop combat skill incrementally, so you're becoming a better fighter from the get go. One of my students gave up because he was horrified at how badly he FUBARd someone in a fight after 6 months training.
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I wouldn't want to rely on either one in a fight. :)
Now now, you know my Sifu and your Sensei are friends. Funny story, the first time they met Diego goes "You do Kung Fu? Then I am very sorry. I am sorry you have wasted your life on that sh*t" , So they fight, and afterwards Diego concedes that there's Kung Fu and there's Kung Fu, and they've been firm friends ever since.
Are you fighting in the next Guardian Challenge? My Sifu's hoping to field a decent team this year.
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it's good, when you've put some much time into a martial art, that executing the moves with precision becomes second nature. till then, it's better not to get in a fight, cos you'll just embarras yourself.
That's not really true, a good school should be able to develop combat skill incrementally, so you're becoming a better fighter from the get go. One of my students gave up because he was horrified at how badly he FUBARd someone in a fight after 6 months training.
well, i didnt say how much time.. some arts take a while, till you get to a decent level (Aikido for example) others are better at picking up (like karate), but it all comes down to the individual and the talent one has. someone can have classes each day and after 5 years, he still wont be able to land a hit, while others show quite some advancement after a couple of months. and yes, a proper school helps.. not like the one i studied karate at ... geez
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I wouldn't want to rely on either one in a fight. :)
Now now, you know my Sifu and your Sensei are friends. Funny story, the first time they met Diego goes "You do Kung Fu? Then I am very sorry. I am sorry you have wasted your life on that sh*t" , So they fight, and afterwards Diego concedes that there's Kung Fu and there's Kung Fu, and they've been firm friends ever since.
Are you fighting in the next Guardian Challenge? My Sifu's hoping to field a decent team this year.
That sounds exactly like him :) Yes I'll be in the tournament this year (heavyweight). Apparently we're going to have a senior category for 40 yrs and up.If you PM me your address I can sent you a copy of the dvds I made of last years tournament. My fight isn't on there as it would've been too hard to hold the camcorder. ;)
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I thought the Afghan's reactions were lighting fast.
All this talk about sparring not being effective in a real fight for and against, well for me here's the reality of a real fight in GB. Pubs and alcohol being the fuel that causes them and the chavs who indulge in this sort of thing more than other members of society. Realistically all anyone would have to do to avoid being hit is footwork and the odd dodge, within a minute they will be out of breath. You could if you felt like it say 'finish him' like that voice in the game and do the prick with a roundhouse kick but really all you would have to do i walk off.
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I thought the Afghan's reactions were lighting fast.
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Nice clip
It seems like everybody on this board is kung fu fighting...In fact, it's a little bit frightening.. :lol: :lol:
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Tourney's are all well and good. I studied GoJu Ryu, but in a street fight it's whatever works. There is only one rule...Win. :shock: :shock:
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I thought the Afghan's reactions were lighting fast.
All this talk about sparring not being effective in a real fight for and against, well for me here's the reality of a real fight in GB. Pubs and alcohol being the fuel that causes them and the chavs who indulge in this sort of thing more than other members of society. Realistically all anyone would have to do to avoid being hit is footwork and the odd dodge, within a minute they will be out of breath. You could if you felt like it say 'finish him' like that voice in the game and do the prick with a roundhouse kick but really all you would have to do i walk off.
So what are you going to do about his mates who are watching all this kick off? While you're concentrating on dodging Darren from the estate with you best come dancing footwork, they are most likely going to be pummelling you from behind.
I agree with you that booze is the likely cause of most rucks out in the streets. Best thing is to try not to put yourself in a situation where something like this can happen to you. But then hiding away for most of your life is not an option as well.
Whatever you do, don't punch someone in the mouth going for their teeth. Shattered teeth are like $%&#ing razors, do you really want your knuckles cut to shreds and their saliva/blood all over those cuts?
Also I never said sparring doesn't increase your skills. I think it's an essential part of the training, along with the basics and the katas, forms, call them what you will. My point is that it needs to feel real. If you're feeling comfortable and not threatened, then you may be conditioning you body to do the moves and react, but in no way are you preparing your mind for a real confrontation. I'm not saying you should get smacked as hard as possible (if that was the case, people would be forever injured), but your sparring partner(s) should make sure you know that you missed the block, otherwise you're not going to learn.
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I thought the Afghan's reactions were lighting fast.
All this talk about sparring not being effective in a real fight for and against, well for me here's the reality of a real fight in GB. Pubs and alcohol being the fuel that causes them and the chavs who indulge in this sort of thing more than other members of society. Realistically all anyone would have to do to avoid being hit is footwork and the odd dodge, within a minute they will be out of breath. You could if you felt like it say 'finish him' like that voice in the game and do the prick with a roundhouse kick but really all you would have to do i walk off.
So what are you going to do about his mates who are watching all this kick off? While you're concentrating on dodging Darren from the estate with you best come dancing footwork, they are most likely going to be pummelling you from behind.
I agree with you that booze is the likely cause of most rucks out in the streets. Best thing is to try not to put yourself in a situation where something like this can happen to you. But then hiding away for most of your life is not an option as well.
Whatever you do, don't punch someone in the mouth going for their teeth. Shattered teeth are like $%&#ing razors, do you really want your knuckles cut to shreds and their saliva/blood all over those cuts?
Also I never said sparring doesn't increase your skills. I think it's an essential part of the training, along with the basics and the katas, forms, call them what you will. My point is that it needs to feel real. If you're feeling comfortable and not threatened, then you may be conditioning you body to do the moves and react, but in no way are you preparing your mind for a real confrontation. I'm not saying you should get smacked as hard as possible (if that was the case, people would be forever injured), but your sparring partner(s) should make sure you know that you missed the block, otherwise you're not going to learn.
When i used to do Tai kwon do, the instructor showed 5 of us the effectiveness of footwork. For 5 minutes we tried to get near him and hit him and never got anywhere. He beat the 5 of us without striking out. In the reality situation i did see someone knock out a bloke with a kick out side a club years ago and his mates didn't go anywhere near him.
I understand your point too about stress levals and the effect of adrenalin as it can freeze you.
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That is soooo funny. I laughed like a drain.
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Minimum effort, for maximum effect, to quote our colonial cousins, that's awesome!
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Hmmm... I've never known any Capoeira fighters, or even seen them use their art in a fight... It seems a lot like some of the drunken boxing clips that I've seen - lots of dramatics and feinting etc. I'd never DREAM of criticizing another art, but definitely not my cup of chi...
Mark.
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T'was funny. I think Lionel Blair must have taught him to fight. I witnessed something similar for real many years ago with a kid limbering up with his "martial arts" moves only to get taken out immediately.
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That was funny as f*ck!!! :lol:
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I thought the Afghan's reactions were lighting fast.
It seems like everybody on this board is kung fu fighting...In fact, it's a little bit frightening.. :lol: :lol:
hahaha, i didn't think anyone would have the balls to make that joke. :lol:
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I thought the Afghan's reactions were lighting fast.
It seems like everybody on this board is kung fu fighting...In fact, it's a little bit frightening.. :lol: :lol:
hahaha, i didn't think anyone would have the balls to make that joke. :lol:
Yep. Top marks for effort.
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I did Karate, Judo and Kung-Fu, but only one year of Kung-Fu. Due to studies I moved and stopped.
In my humble opinion it is really one of the best martial arts techniques - if not the "best". It is hard to grade something like that, since - as others have pointed out - personal skill and ambition play a large role. A lot of people in my club were of course of that opinion and that maybe influenced me a bit, haha. The biggest problem however IMO was that you could do Kung-Fu for 10 years and still be almost a beginner. It is not just a martial art, it is a lifestyle. Meditation, meridians of the body, disciplinary codes... the people there were really totally into it. Me, I'm a bit clumsy naturally :D and I lacked the time to put enough training into it. Karate was so much easier in a way, Judo was so much more "fun" in a way.
At the moment I am trying to join the University classes here, they have Karate and Taekwondo. I think I will give Teakwondo a try. Somehow I was never happy with Karate. I would like to get to know Muya Thai, too.
I think in a bar fight I would still loose - I'm easily surprised, haha.
BTW my teacher for Kung-Fu was Frankie Dow. He is an amazing teacher for anybody who wants to learn Kung-Fu or Tai Chi (he's American, not German) and he's a quite humorous guy as well.
http://www.tai-chi-akademie.de/html/der_grossmeister.html
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I did Karate, Judo and Kung-Fu, but only one year of Kung-Fu. Due to studies I moved and stopped.
In my humble opinion it is really one of the best martial arts techniques - if not the "best". It is hard to grade something like that, since - as others have pointed out - personal skill and ambition play a large role. A lot of people in my club were of course of that opinion and that maybe influenced me a bit, haha. The biggest problem however IMO was that you could do Kung-Fu for 10 years and still be almost a beginner. It is not just a martial art, it is a lifestyle. Meditation, meridians of the body, disciplinary codes... the people there were really totally into it. Me, I'm a bit clumsy naturally :D and I lacked the time to put enough training into it. Karate was so much easier in a way, Judo was so much more "fun" in a way.
At the moment I am trying to join the University classes here, they have Karate and Taekwondo. I think I will give Teakwondo a try. Somehow I was never happy with Karate. I would like to get to know Muya Thai, too.
I think in a bar fight I would still loose - I'm easily surprised, haha.
BTW my teacher for Kung-Fu was Frankie Dow. He is an amazing teacher for anybody who wants to learn Kung-Fu or Tai Chi (he's American, not German) and he's a quite humorous guy as well.
http://www.tai-chi-akademie.de/html/der_grossmeister.html
You're absolutely right. It gets to a point where it's not a hobbie, it's a way of life.
Much like playing the guitar, really.
:D
Mark.
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That's from the movie Never Back Down