Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Players => Topic started by: hunter on November 08, 2008, 07:16:57 AM
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Did a recording with the SG / RiffRaff today, using "Das Metall" model (Diezel VH4) on the Axe FX:
http://www.klangforschungszentrum.de/temp/stillofthenight_diezel.mp3
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Did a recording with the SG / RiffRaff today, using "Das Metall" model (Diezel VH4) on the Axe FX:
http://www.klangforschungszentrum.de/te ... diezel.mp3
link doesnt work :s
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Did a recording with the SG / RiffRaff today, using "Das Metall" model (Diezel VH4) on the Axe FX:
http://www.klangforschungszentrum.de/te ... diezel.mp3
link doesnt work :s
oops ... fixed :O)
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I still cant believe that the sounds these things make is coming from a modeller.
Nice tone & clip.
I'd get one if the price wasn't higher than a full rig lol
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Sounds good! It just seems to lack some that 'sparkle' and transparency to my ears, but that could be rubbish speakers/EQ whatever. Certainly impressive for a modeller.
Can't remember if I've asked this before, but what does it 'feel' like to play? Do you get that interactive response you get from a valve amp?
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Sounds good! It just seems to lack some that 'sparkle' and transparency to my ears, but that could be rubbish speakers/EQ whatever. Certainly impressive for a modeller.
Can't remember if I've asked this before, but what does it 'feel' like to play? Do you get that interactive response you get from a valve amp?
Feel is amazing, really!
I think that's where the main difference is between a fullrange amp/speaker thing, it won't feel right I guess.
However, Atomic are about to come out with their new tube driven Fullrange solution, which according to LA Amp Show attendees is pretty awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leYg3j1PT_c
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Sounds good! It just seems to lack some that 'sparkle' and transparency to my ears, but that could be rubbish speakers/EQ whatever. Certainly impressive for a modeller.
I'm gonna have to agree with Twinfan here, the clip seems to lack that extra little bit of openness that a tube amp has. I guess sparkle would be the right word here, as Twinfan noted. And this is coming from a guy with really good quality speakers (me). I have to say i love the tone though. It is really amazing that you can get that with a modeler. Just imagine, in ten more years you wont even have to buy an actual amp because the modelers will be so good they will actually be BETTER than any amp you can buy... a sad thought :( I will stick to tube amps for now though. Thanks for sharing man!
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Sounds good! It just seems to lack some that 'sparkle' and transparency to my ears, but that could be rubbish speakers/EQ whatever. Certainly impressive for a modeller.
I'm gonna have to agree with Twinfan here, the clip seems to lack that extra little bit of openness that a tube amp has. I guess sparkle would be the right word here, as Twinfan noted. And this is coming from a guy with really good quality speakers (me). I have to say i love the tone though. It is really amazing that you can get that with a modeler. Just imagine, in ten more years you wont even have to buy an actual amp because the modelers will be so good they will actually be BETTER than any amp you can buy... a sad thought :( I will stick to tube amps for now though. Thanks for sharing man!
Sure man, to each his own :O)
Gotta say though that everything is clear by the sheer fact that I haven't played my Bogner Shiva head more than a few minutes since I received the Axe, which was several months ago. And the Shiva isn't really bad an amp either.
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I think the thing I find with modelled things is the kinda too perfect/sterile tone....also perhaps a sense of space/openess missing? maybe I'm just talking rubbish though! I just love the sound of a valve amp being cranked and pushed to its limits :P
Otherwise nice clip and nice song!
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Wow! It gets all those little nuances and notes out perfectly! Sounds great.
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The bad thing about a modeller is that it always sounds too much like a synthesiser, to my ears. Maybe it works for some guitarists, to each his own...there's no such thing as 'better' or 'worse' in this case, as far as you can get the most out of your instrument with your own feeling/playing style.
The most important thing for me is to hear the acoustic purity of an instrument. I play Les Pauls because of the thick bluesy tone and solid playability together with a nice tube amp; it gives me a basis sound which I love so much (just like with acoustic guitars). From that point it all comes to your own fingers/attack/playing style/personality to make it sound how you want it to sound, preferably with only a few (2/3) pedals/effects.
A good electric guitar is like a good acoustic guitar, with all its purity and tone. I wouldn't hide that with a modeller or too many pedals/effects. Simplicity.
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I think it sounds pretty amazing Hunter!
Saw your post on the Diezel forums first. It was recorded with a solid state poweramp yes?
so, through something like a VHT 2/90/2 etc, it'll sound even more incredible and get some of that valve feel :D
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Those of us saying it sounds sterile or lacks the sparkle/oppenness/transparency of a valve amp, I wonder what the response would've been if Hunter had said he'd recorded it with an actual Diezel VH4 amp? :?
Nearly all the recorded music we hear has gone through some kind of digital processing at some stage, after all....
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I think it should pretty amazing Hunter!
Saw your post on the Diezel forums first. It was recorded with a solid state poweramp yes?
so, through something like a VHT 2/90/2 etc, it'll sound even more incredible and get some of that valve feel :D
hmmmm, difficult. On the Axe you can activate/deactivate power amp sim, in case you use it with a tube amp. However, you lose the modelling of the different characters of different amps' power section, the sag and thump as well as the possibility to crank that plexi to 10. I mean if you can turn that VHT up full, yeah, that might be better. But as I can't, I'd rather go with all modelled, except for the guitar speakers.
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Ah right, that's cool. I don't know anything about these AXE things you see. Just asking like :)
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The clips you record with the axefx are hardly sterile sounding. I can't tell the difference between this or a tube amp. I've been listening to a lot of the clips on youtube too and this thing is unbelievable! It's giving me gas, badly :?
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Sounds great
Is this DI'd or is it through a cab and miced?
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Sounds good! It just seems to lack some that 'sparkle' and transparency to my ears, but that could be rubbish speakers/EQ whatever. Certainly impressive for a modeller.
Can't remember if I've asked this before, but what does it 'feel' like to play? Do you get that interactive response you get from a valve amp?
Feel is amazing, really!
I think that's where the main difference is between a fullrange amp/speaker thing, it won't feel right I guess.
However, Atomic are about to come out with their new tube driven Fullrange solution, which according to LA Amp Show attendees is pretty awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leYg3j1PT_c
Oh - are Fractal Audio and Atomic amps part of the same company?
I know they have the same distributor in Europe
I have an Atomic Reactor 112 - 18w to use with a pod or Vox desktop modeller
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Sounds great
Is this DI'd or is it through a cab and miced?
As usual mic'ed with an SM57 off a Bogner 4x12, amplified with a Carvin DCM 1000W amp.
Jonathan, indeed FAS and Atomic have the same distributor, and they kinda collaborate, but that's it. They are different companies as far as I am aware. Guess the Atomic guys realised that the Axe community i growing rapidly and that there is loads of discussions about the best amplification solution, plus the Axe users are in general no compromise kinda guys that are willing to spend what it takes to get good tone.
I think there is room for other companies too to come with good products that hit into that Niche.
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Well, its still sounds great, but its as I feared.
The amped tone, when working with a speaker and a mic, is really good, but there are amps for that
What I want is a DI tone that can at least go a little way (unlike previous attempts like the pods cab and mic sims) to emulate that change in response and dynamic.
All the DI tones of the AxeFX I've heard have been fizzy :cry: (feel free to prove me wrong, but thats what I've heard so far).
Looks like a better amp-replacement + FX than DI modeller, from my research
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Well, its still sounds great, but its as I feared.
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Looks like a better amp-replacement + FX than DI modeller, from my research
That's for what I use it. Others achieve great results recording direct though. For me it's more a feel than a sound thing. I need a pumping and buzzing guitar cab to get the shizzle moving in my fingers :O)
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Hunter, if you'd be so gracious could you point me in the direction of any DI metal clips of the Axe FX you've heard?
Like I say, I was impressed by this, but its got a poweramp and a speaker and a mic working. and that makes a world of difference - as you know, I'm entertaining buying one of these, and it would need to be better at DId tones than I've heard it be so far.
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Well, its still sounds great, but its as I feared.
The amped tone, when working with a speaker and a mic, is really good, but there are amps for that
What I want is a DI tone that can at least go a little way (unlike previous attempts like the pods cab and mic sims) to emulate that change in response and dynamic.
All the DI tones of the AxeFX I've heard have been fizzy :cry: (feel free to prove me wrong, but thats what I've heard so far).
Looks like a better amp-replacement + FX than DI modeller, from my research
Hmmm for a great heavy, direct recorded Axe tone, maybe try this one (not by me): http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2646