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Title: Tone....
Post by: Spitfire on December 14, 2008, 01:11:15 PM
well... i like to think i have a quite nice tone... telecaster or SG into a very nice amp.  im not 100% settled, but its nice.

the guy i live with, he in his own words has the perfect tone, he makes the sounds he wants... £99 stock plastic switch tele copy and a maverick something totally stock... thats not the problem, its the noise he makes, its like a fuzz that he plays so loud all i can hear is the sound reflecting and making a massive hum, i think ive found the problem..

bare in mind this guy trys to pass himself off as a producer...

(http://www.infocus.ho8.com/Dave/dm-4.jpg)
note the:
Drive: 10
Bass: 0
Mid: 5
Treble: 10

this is just something that annoys me so much... no tallent at anything, but puts everyone else down in every way (as he claims to be a guitarist/bassist/singer/flautist/pianist/producrer/drummer but cant play one semi well at all)... my gf has a grade 8 singing and euphonium, and plays brass in competition bands and wins.. yet he feels he is in a position to tell her how to sing etc... when he sings totally out of his range and hits about 25% of the notes!!!

argh.. just annoys me so much.. had to rant a bit.
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: prozacbear on December 14, 2008, 01:21:51 PM
I think you may have been living with him for too long. When you have reached to point of being enraged at everything they do, MOVE (or make them move, whatever the easier).
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Will on December 14, 2008, 01:37:33 PM
ouch..
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Philly Q on December 14, 2008, 02:49:24 PM
(http://www.infocus.ho8.com/Dave/dm-4.jpg)


He didn't set those controls for tone at all, just to make a nice symmetrical pattern.  :roll:


I think you may have been living with him for too long. When you have reached to point of being enraged at everything they do, MOVE (or make them move, whatever the easier).

Good point.  I don't really have much experience of living with people, but even I know that feeling of being disproportionately annoyed by everything someone does.

Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Spitfire on December 14, 2008, 02:54:23 PM
He didn't set those controls for tone at all, just to make a nice symmetrical pattern.  :roll

i had hoped that, but i asked him about it... thats what he wants.. thats what he dialed in
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: rohlfo on December 14, 2008, 02:57:04 PM
maybe he's trying to be all cool by showing off some extreme setting as if he knows his stuff... I find most amps work quite well at a neutral setting, and have never gone that far to extremes - if I did, I'm obviously playing hte wrong am!
Also, drive:10!? rediculous!
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Philly Q on December 14, 2008, 03:07:26 PM
He didn't set those controls for tone at all, just to make a nice symmetrical pattern.  :roll

i had hoped that, but i asked him about it... thats what he wants.. thats what he dialed in

Yeah, I meant his ears obviously don't work so he must rely on his eyes instead!  :lol:

Not to defend the guy, but I must admit I hate fiddling with the controls on amps and equipment - it's really hard to find those "sweet spots".  I prefer really simple controls, the fewer the better so there's less for me to feck up.
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Simon D on December 14, 2008, 05:19:08 PM


(http://www.infocus.ho8.com/Dave/dm-4.jpg)
note the:
Drive: 10
Bass: 0
Mid: 5
Treble: 10


I bet that sounds sweet... :wink:

Seriously though, there are some people who think they know best about everything. Worse still, think they have the right to tell those who actually have the knolwedge what they're doing 'wrong'. Just breath deep and try to let it pass you by, dude.
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Philly Q on December 14, 2008, 05:33:38 PM
It's hard to understand how different people can be, really.

At one extreme you can have people with real talent who don't even realise it, and put themselves down, whereas on the other hand there are people like this chap, with no talent at all who have total self-belief and self-confidence. 
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: 38thBeatle on December 14, 2008, 06:21:08 PM
He he, you are right Philly. There is a guy who lives near me who rates himself so very highly as a guitarist and vocalist.The first time I encountered him I granted him an audition.The results were laughable. I was helping to form another band a few years back and this guy replied to the add and on the phone, not realizing who he was talking to and me not realizing who I was talking too, the penny didn't drop until he went on for about 10 minutes about how great he was and the memory came back. I am no Hendrix by any stretch but he could strum a few chords but I recall his inability to determine a major chord from a minor. Also, he couldn't play without a chord sheet in front of him with the lyrics and then he'd refuse to wear his glasses and would lose himself ...but in his words " I am a bloody great guitarist".   
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: MDV on December 15, 2008, 02:07:47 AM
Frickin n00b.

I hate to imagine what those settings sound like. Few amps will sound good with the bass off and treble on 10, but a line 6.......ewwwwwww
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Roobubba on December 15, 2008, 12:18:00 PM
Dude, you live with someone who plays a Tele, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?!

:D

(Oh right, you play one too...)

:D :D

But on a serious note - get outta there, the guy is obviously a jerk and winds you up, which in turn will make you more inclined to act like a jerk to him - no fun for anyone. Gotta find someone you can get along with!
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: MrBump on December 15, 2008, 12:56:47 PM
Kill him.

It's the only way forward.
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Spitfire on December 15, 2008, 01:07:50 PM
Kill him.

It's the only way forward.

.... some sense!!  :twisted:

thanks guys... it is just something that winds me up quite a lot...

im stuck here untill june, but after that im moving... june... 7 months... countdown starts now.
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Davey on December 15, 2008, 04:30:02 PM
you got a class A idiot right there...


well, i run my EQ settings at 10 too .. or even the occasional complete mid scoop at home, while playing alone, cos in my room it sounds best with the EQ on 10 (or mildly rolling off the treble) or with a mid scoop, cos i dont have anything else to share the frequencies..
but the gain on 10? almost all amps and pedals sound like beehives with those settings. and since it's a pedal, that setting (the EQ and all) could work with an amp, if dialed in properly .. though i highly doubt that's the case there
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Transcend on December 15, 2008, 09:53:41 PM
that setting (the EQ and all) could work with an amp, if dialed in properly .. though i highly doubt that's the case there

if i remember rightly the pedal is going into a line 6 spider II
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Spitfire on December 15, 2008, 10:11:04 PM
if i remember rightly the pedal is going into a line 6 spider II

yes, yes it is..

it also goes thru a digitech whammy, which he constantly $%&#s about with all over... seriously thought the fire alarm was going off the other day when i got in from work... the wah on the treble setting also sometimes gets brought in.. WITH... chorus + Flange + Phase + tremolo....

... its all so bad...
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Transcend on December 15, 2008, 10:12:44 PM
WTF aural onslaught there.

Id unwire the speaker in the amp.
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: hunter on December 16, 2008, 06:34:32 AM
don't look at the settings, probably the genius is all in his fingers anyways :O)
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: _tom_ on December 16, 2008, 10:56:15 AM
I think you may have been living with him for too long. When you have reached to point of being enraged at everything they do, MOVE (or make them move, whatever the easier).


I really need to do this but am stuck living with the same annoying person for another year after this uni year :lol: :( Everything he does annoys me for some reason. I dont even know why.
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Spitfire on December 16, 2008, 11:44:23 AM
I really need to do this but am stuck living with the same annoying person for another year after this uni year :lol: :( Everything he does annoys me for some reason. I dont even know why.

some people are just like that, this guy i live with, he is so spoilt... you can tell that growing up he got his own way all the time and was told 24/7 that he was amazing at whatever he did.. theirs a smugness... its like he can do no wrong.

other day he was on about absynth.. he was going on about it, and asking people if they like it, when they said no he goes it is an accuired taste.. then asks if anyone else knows how to drink it properly.. like he is the guru of all that is everything.. sod it that i was a barman/supervisor for ages.. that is meaningless to him.
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: MDV on December 16, 2008, 11:44:45 AM
In uni accomodation me and my partner in crime reigned terror on the annoying people in the house (shut in, selfish with the cupboard space and anything that can be plugged in, generally irritating) with practical jokes. Worth a try. You can start by dialing a decent sound into his gear, or be subtle and trick him into thinking/believing/spouting absolute nonesense about gear and music. Start by, I dunno, trying to tell him that right angled cable jacks sound better, maybe he'll believe it....and if he does....:D
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Spitfire on December 16, 2008, 11:51:17 AM
come on then, lets make up some stupid tone hints...

the left plug socket has cleaner electricity and therefore better tone
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: MDV on December 16, 2008, 11:55:29 AM
Custom made power cables sound better.
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: MDV on December 16, 2008, 11:57:29 AM
The vikings invented the diminished fifth to march to war with.
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: MDV on December 16, 2008, 12:00:53 PM
12 bar originally came from spain
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: MDV on December 16, 2008, 12:03:02 PM
The first flamenco music was inspired by watching flamencos.
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: MDV on December 16, 2008, 12:07:36 PM
Occasionally the makers of the orginal PAFs would injure themselves on the winders, and some blood would get in the pickup. It would very slightly rust the components and change the magnetic properties of the materials and give them their distictive tone. This is why modern machine made stuff doesnt sound as good.

(Adapted from the normally sarky "Wound with unicorn hair and potted in virgins blood" to describe some makers that talk about their pickups like they're embued with magic).

I hope youre writing this down!
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Elliot on December 16, 2008, 12:42:23 PM
Wow, half of this 'made up' stuff are the usual comments made around here anyway.  I thought it was all true.  :D
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: gwEm on December 16, 2008, 12:46:44 PM
in the 70s, 80s and 90s Gibson, Fender etc cut loads of corners and made bad quality guitars... thats my no good rock or metal music was during this time.... erm??! ;)
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Will on December 16, 2008, 04:18:36 PM
Leather and suede guitar straps produce better tone
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: ToneMonkey on December 16, 2008, 04:28:33 PM
WD40 on neck and strings speeds up playing
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: 38thBeatle on December 16, 2008, 07:18:09 PM
Tell him:

Superglue two picks together and you'll be able to play stereo.

Extreme facial contorting can help you play much more smoothly

Jumping in front of a quickly moving train can make the world a happier more musical place



* only one of the above is true
Title: Re: Tone....
Post by: Johnny Mac on December 16, 2008, 08:37:40 PM
WD40 on neck and strings speeds up playing

I've actually seen a guitarist do this on a PRS at a gig. I know him too but 'kept stoom' as the bloke can play really well, but thought, what the hell are you doing to that guitar?

Anyway this thread is gold! Watching and listening to the deluded digging their own hole is fantastic entertainment! Your so lucky to have this prat as a housemate. Set him up with some auditions with quality musicians and go along and watch his world fall apart!  :lol: In fact film it and send us the youtube link!