Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: hunter on January 01, 2009, 10:27:38 AM
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They're called "Road Worn" and if they look anything as good as on those pictures, and if the play and sound somewhat close to as good, they're a steal!
http://www.proguitarshop.com/index.php?CategoryID=653
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I love pro guitar shop & they're doing the 1 strat left that I want...a '60's olympic white worn in...mmmm gas, GAS!
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Yes the 1960's Olympic White Strat looks cool.
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personally, i'd rather not waste money on relicing on a mid-price guitar, i'd rather have more money going towards the spec. that's just me, though, and i should add that i'm not a fan of relicing in general, even on high-end guitars... :lol:
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I believe these are Mexican made? I think they're a spin off from the Joe Strummer Tele.....
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I've seen these before. Fender are total tools. Boring old colours that are a little scr@ped up. Total waste of potential. They have some amazing colour schemes AND guitar designs out there but still pump out the same strat and tele designs in piss poor colours. What a pile of wank.
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What a load of cr@p...!
The Olympic White start looks nice, but the rest look god awful.
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What a load of cr@p...!
The Olympic White start looks nice, but the rest look god awful.
But that white 60s IS nice. One day I'll have to get a good white 60s.
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so you like them Badger & adam?
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They look OK, but a bit phoney. If I was ever to spring for a relic I'd rather have a really good one - and that means big bucks unfortunately.
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There's a lot of discussion of these on the TDPRI forum - almost sparking another "relic/no-relic" war :lol:
The general consensus is that the "wear" on the maple fretboards is somewhat @rse... I think I kinda agree, based on the pics I've seen. Having said that - I had the same issues with the relics I've seen in V&R.
Apparently, yes, they're MIMs, and the rumoured prices are causing some worries that MIMs are about to go up in price, leaving space at the bottom for the CV Squiers.
There is also rumour that the Mexican plant has just started using Nitro finishes to enable this "road-wear". [so-what]Umm... [/so-what] (I've got nitro finished guitars and thick poly jobs - yeah, they're different, but not enough for me to join either camp :D)
There's a lot of debate that this range is going to "stuff" relic makers like Nash etc because you'll be able to get real Fenders relic'd for about the half the cost of Fender CS, seriously undercutting the relic builders who build from allparts etc... QUESTION: This was news to me, do relic makers like that (eg McGuire) build their stuff from parts they buy in?? (Perhaps I was being a bit naive in thinking they built necks/bodies from scratch??!)
Anyway, as far as I can make out it's all "internet facts" at the moment :lol:
If I see one, and I think it's cute, and if it seems to be worth the price-tag to me personally, then my wallet might be in danger, otherwise... :roll:
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QUESTION: This was news to me, do relic makers like that (eg McGuire) build their stuff from parts they buy in?? (Perhaps I was being a bit naive in thinking they built necks/bodies from scratch??!)
i think Nash and McGuire are buying them in and relicing them wheras bravewood are scratchbuilt. Relicing to me is an artform thats usually completely seperate to guitar building, so i dont really have a problem with relicers buying in parts (nothing wrong with allparts stuff), but it does make it all the more impressive that bravewood manages to do it all on his lonesome, and does it so well!
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That's kind of exactly how I was thinking when I realised it Wez - seems to make sense to me. I don't have any real problems with relics, I just haven't seen one that's for me (yet?) at a price I consider reasonable for me!
However, this piece of knowledge has made me think "I could do that... :roll:" though! (this is really only based on the McGuires, those are the only ones I've actually handled, and it starts to make £1300 look a bit expensive, for my pocket anyway, for what they are :lol:)
EDIT: Just realised I've fallen into the trap I don't like others falling into - McGuires at £1300 are too rich for what I'm prepared to pay and am then getting for that money. But I DO believe that the for the parts and the effort going into them, they are worth that much if it's what someone wants!
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Later this year Fender will release the ultimate relic guitar. The price will be around $12,000.-
(http://secretsociety.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/smashed_guitar003.jpg)
Gibson will offer an SG with a broken headstock glued back on for an additional $1,000.-
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i like relic guitars and these arent too bad considering the price. Peach guitars have all of them for @£750 each. Not bad.
The wear marks on the maple necks are a bit light. old guitars generaly have darker muddy effect wear marks on the neck. these look very pale and just rubbed down a bit, but you can spend 1000's on a relic and still get naff wear marks, but everyone likes different types of "relic" effects.
Looking forward to seeing how good these are.
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Does anyone know if they'll have humbucker routing?
I know some of the MIM do but the 50's and 60's classics didnt?
I like the tele's and am looking forward to trying them after speaking to a UK dealer who has tried one and said they're great.
I like both colours but the blonde really needs a black pic guard. Dodgy paint colouring in but i think this looks much better.
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z66/Gizmotron44/0131212307v2_xl.jpg)
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uhm... i can't get the point of buying an OLD - not vintage - looking guitar, unless it's really old (and this means a lot of money)... in general i'm worried about the risk of scratching the paint on my axes, and i wouldn't spend extra money for an already scratched guitar! you know, entropy is a natural and unavoidable law of phisics... have just a bit of patience, and your guitars will look very OLD and vintage in 20 or 30 years! :)
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in general i'm worried about the risk of scratching the paint on my axes...have just a bit of patience, and your guitars will look very OLD and vintage in 20 or 30 years! :)
Yours won't! You have to be pretty harsh on them for a long while before they get really beaten up...
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I've just seen some Road Worns in Sounds Great - can't believe they're here so quickly!!! The guitars were quite nice in the flesh, fairly light, and the relic-ing was 'OK'. Just 'OK'.
I'm not sure if I like them. £750 seems like a good price to beat Nash/McGuire etc but their relic-ing is much much nicer..............
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Thing is, every single one is identical. Same relic job on each guitar.
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Yup - that's the issue I have with them.
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Not seen one yet, so I've got an open mind at the moment.
It wouldn't worry me they all look the same - I'd only have one (of each? :roll:) in the living room :lol:
What does concern me is "are they better built/players" than the equivalent un-worn Fender Japan guitars that are about £100 cheaper (if you can find them) last time I looked...
Luckily I'm fairly gas-less at the moment. It seems like 2008 was a frantic year of gear acquisition and 2009 is going to be a year of using the b*ggers :D
(Wait until I walk into a shop and see another Japanese 62 re-issue strat :lol: - but even then, what's it going to do that Edith doesn't do for me already??)
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^ yeah, that's exactly what worries me too. you can get MIJ fenders for quite a bit less, and based on the MIMs I have tried, they're likely to be a lot nicer (and other japanese copies of similar quality would be even cheaper again), or you can get USA reissues for only about £100 more (assuming the road worns sell at close to the RRP). I'm biased because i don't like relics, to me it's paying more money for something i like less, but i'm not sure of the wisdom of buying what is effectively a mid-range guitar, for a pro price. especially when you can get pro quality instruments for the same price or less.
Also, as a regular at the tokai forum pointed out, the neck finish would appear to be urethane, not nitrocellulose. that's another big problem, especially with fender trumpeting its nitro finish...
http://www.fender.com/products//view_specs.php?full_partno=0131012&name=Road+Worn%26trade%3B+%9150s+Stratocaster%26reg%3B
and reading a review last night (last month's guitarist, i think), they appear to have a die-cast, not steel, trem block... again, nowhere near good enough for the price.
:evil:
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To make things even worse, Fender will increase their suggested retail prices by 30%.
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Reviewed favourably in the latest edition of Guitarist. I have no strong opinions either way-I am not a great fan of relic guitars but that said, if I saw one that I liked and the price was right I'd see it as a guitar that was worth buying. I loved Phil's Bravewood but that is another thing entirely.
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I think for that money I'd rather have a USA Standard though.
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30% increase? :lol:
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I've got a few genuine Fender shagged out bodies and necks lying around the workshop if any body wants an real relic building give me a call!
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Hmmm, Guitarist seem to like them, according to the review in the latest issue, all 4 models got a "Guitarist Choice" award. On the other hand, 90% of the tested products in that issue got one, too.
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yeah, that's the problem. and it's kind of a vicious circle... they give more awards, so then the people not getting awards complain that they don't get awards, which leads to more awards being added... :lol:
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I've seen these in Coda. Honestly, they all have exactly the same wear in the exact same places (I compared between all three/four models). They feel ok, but not for £700. I'd rather just buy a mexican reissue (which is what they are) and bash the cr@p out of it myself.
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To make things even worse, Fender will increase their suggested retail prices by 30%.
This is something I have been hearing from friends in the know in the USA. For we in the UK, with Sterling weak at the moment, it is a double blow. The positive thing in the current economic situation is that retailers are going to be trying to shift them and will compete with each other though their margins will be adversely affected methinks.
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To make things even worse, Fender will increase their suggested retail prices by 30%.
This is something I have been hearing from friends in the know in the USA. For we in the UK, with Sterling weak at the moment, it is a double blow. The positive thing in the current economic situation is that retailers are going to be trying to shift them and will compete with each other though their margins will be adversely affected methinks.
Good for the punter in the short term, but how long till the smaller shops, with the great customer service and friendly staff simply price themselves out of business? :(
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I've seen these in Coda. Honestly, they all have exactly the same wear in the exact same places (I compared between all three/four models). They feel ok, but not for £700. I'd rather just buy a mexican reissue (which is what they are) and bash the cr@p out of it myself.
I suppose that could be seen as a starting point for carrying out "personalised" additional relicing (the maple boards look far too clean, for a start).
I could never bring myself to beat up a new guitar, but I wouldn't hesitate to add additional damage to a relic! :P
Having said that, I think they are a bit pricey. And the 7.25" radius pretty much kills any possibility I might have bought one.
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Tired one of these today, nice guitar, but the relicing is no where near that of the CS models. It's a bit crude to say the least. I've never see maple necks worn completely between the frets on older guitars.
As mentioned above, I think I'd prefer the new Mexicans and then let them age themselves.
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I got to try these today. Guitarvillage had the 50's strat in black and two tone + the 60's in 3 tone, plus the 2tone 50's tele.
The quality was much higher then I thought from people comments. To clear things up they are generally knocked or worn in same areas but they are not identical. The patches are not the same. The dings are not the same and the wear in the headstock was very random. The necks were very smooth and felt great.
The tele was perhaps the lighest guitar i've held. It was the lightest there and certainly much lighter then my deluxe american strat. They were more vibrant then my strat as well and i love my strat. I even contemplated trading my guitar in then thought if I want one i'm going to have to own 2 strats and keep mine as it means so much.
Whilst i was ther i tried some PRS's. They are truely gorgeous guitars. I will have to get one at some point.
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The tele was perhaps the lighest guitar i've held.
+1. I tried the roadworn Tele at Guitarworks in Reading. Aside from the very dodgy fret board (very fake ageing!) it was very light, very resonant, very easy to play and had a bit of mojo about it. I tried a baja tele just after and it's neck was absolutely mahoosive. It had quite possibly the biggest neck I had ever tried wrapping my hand around. Respect to anyone that can play a neck like that for more than 20 minutes!
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The tele was perhaps the lighest guitar i've held.
+1. I tried the roadworn Tele at Guitarworks in Reading. Aside from the very dodgy fret board (very fake ageing!) it was very light, very resonant, very easy to play and had a bit of mojo about it. I tried a baja tele just after and it's neck was absolutely mahoosive. It had quite possibly the biggest neck I had ever tried wrapping my hand around. Respect to anyone that can play a neck like that for more than 20 minutes!
I must admit, even though I keep going on about preferring big necks, I do find the Baja hard work.
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I must be a real man then! :lol:
I did have some wrist problems a while back, but that was only after I got my Japanese 52 re-issue, which has a neck almost as big, but with a more pronounced "V" (even though it's meant to be a "U" I found out later?!! :lol:) and a 7.25 radius...
Anyway - these Road Worns... I tried the 50s tele on Saturday. WOW, what a guitar!! I see what people are saying about the fret-wear, and it is "odd" there's none 9th-12th fret, etc, etc...
But I don't think it looks so noticable in the flesh. I only played this thing accoustically, but in a very quiet shop, and it was STUNNING. It's got jumbo frets on (not as jumbo as my Baja has now), so I felt very much at home. It sings like anything, feels gorgeous, etc...
But at £799...? There was a Japanese 62 reissue (black, cream binding) next to it for £599, and an AV52RI for £1200-odd...
If the road worn was £699 I might have been very tempted, but at £799, I know that the 62 (very different beast, I know) would have given it a VERY stiff fight for £200 less. The AV52RI is another matter altogether - I haven't dared try one yet, I suspect that one of these might be the guitar that pushes me over my £1000 limit one day...
However, the roadworn 50s tele I tried was VERY tasty, much more so than I was expecting.
I also saw a sunburst 60s strat in a window. I was expecting that to be the one I drooled over more - mebbe if I'd played it I would have done. But it didn't look worth £799 at all to us - it looked fairly unloved and "tarnished". I think the scratchplate was causing most of this effect, it looks a little "over-exposed" to me :lol:
Luckily, when I got home, I found my pimped Baja (BKPs and a JUMBO refret from Jonathan) is every bit as nice to play and as resonant as the RW 50s tele... so although I got excited for a bit, still almost GAS free this year :lol:
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i really like them. I showed my girlfriend one and all she was its broken why would you want that!! they just dont understand.
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I must be a real man then! :lol:
I did have some wrist problems a while back, but that was only after I got my Japanese 52 re-issue, which has a neck almost as big, but with a more pronounced "V" (even though it's meant to be a "U" I found out later?!! :lol:) and a 7.25 radius...
And the Baja is supposed to be a "soft V" but is unequivocally "U" shaped. What are those Fender boys on? :roll:
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What are those Fender boys on? :roll:
Bunch of nutters.
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What are those Fender boys on? :roll:
Bunch of nutters.
They're not really, are they? I'm getting unnecessarily worked up about Vs and Us.
I'll get me coat.... :|