Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: JamesHealey on January 04, 2009, 05:47:55 PM
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'03 PRS Custom 24, Bird Inlays
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Tasty - what neck's she got?
PRS have got popular on this forum recently.
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erm, i'll get back to you on that one it's on the tag thing on the card inside the box which is too far away for me to be botherd to get it.
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I really like that colour.
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what credit crunch? :lol:
nice guitar, I like the green - it's a bit different.
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Nice!
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what credit crunch? :lol:
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Nice guitar!
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I really like that colour.
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Green looks great on a maple top.
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PRS have got popular on this forum recently.
Too right they have, every new guitar thread seems to contain a PRS these days.
Nice looking guitar, incidently, wheres the pickup selector switch? Or am i being stupid?
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PRS have got popular on this forum recently.
Too right they have, every new guitar thread seems to contain a PRS these days.
Nice looking guitar, incidently, wheres the pickup selector switch? Or am i being stupid?
Some have a rotary selector switch
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Nice score. I'm a big PRS fan, and that looks like a good 'un.
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very nice! all-black pickups might look even better... not certain, though. :)
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very nice like the green too a little different
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Nice!
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That looks sweet James, if I had the money I'd be getting a PRS myself! though I'd just break it...
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Congrats! Great guitar. I really like the color. Is it that dark(ish) in real life or is it just the lighting in the photo?
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Maybe this calls for another thread, but is it just me or are PRS loosing their 'lawyers guitar' image? they certainly are in my mind.
I've been giving it some thought for the last few hours and I think it's because they've now been around long enough that good second hand bargains are coming up, and I'm starting to see quite a few bands and guitarists using them.
Just a thought!
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I never felt they had that image in the first place.
Super quality, great tone, and great playing - Lawyer's guitar? Sounds pretty much like a player's guitar.
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I agree with Adam - they're losing that perfect flame/uber-prices image that has put a lot of people off. They've successfully expanded the range to cover more bases, and the prices appear to me to be more affordable than they've ever been. They now have something for almost everyone, plus the new factory that's opening this year will bring new models, acoustics and their amp range. They're going to be an even bigger player in the music world in the future.
I'm a complete convert, but it took the (stripped down and lower priced) Mira to do it. I then discovered the McCarty model and I haven't looked back.
In all seriousness, if I could only have one guitar it would be a PRS, no question.
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I'm still terrified of picking one up. EVER. They look too pretty. nice guitar btw
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i never understood the lawyers' guitars guff either.
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I think the "lawyer's guitar" thing started because they were a small US company which dared to launch a high-end, high-price instrument at a time when the guitar market pretty much meant Fender, Gibson and overseas imports. Of course not many people bought them, or could afford them, at first. And there was quite a lot of emphasis (especially in the early days) on how many "A"s there were in the maple tops. So they developed an exclusive, "furniture guitar" kind of image.
Eventually they ended up challenging the big boys - why them and not, say, Dean or Hamer? I think because they stuck to a couple of basic designs and didn't really try to follow trends or make guitars for specific genres of music. Plus a fair bit of luck.
And now they've reached a point where so many people play them that there isn't just one PRS image any more - the instruments haven't changed much, but the range of users has got much wider. It can't be a lawyer's guitar if a "cool" band is using it.
Personally I'm a little bit worried about the new ranges and designs they're introducing - it seems like they're starting to try to be all things to everyone, which isn't really what they're about. They've been pretty clever so far, using the SE range for different designs rather than just budget copies of the US models. But I wonder if they're going to end up like Fender, with a bewildering number of models at different prices so you'll need to read the small print to figure out where they're made.
Oh well, enough moaning. They don't care what I think.
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It can't be a lawyer's guitar if a "cool" band is using it.
absolutely right! a guitar MUST be cool if Opeth are using it!
i'm serious.
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It can't be a lawyer's guitar if a "cool" band is using it.
absolutely right! a guitar MUST be cool if Opeth are using it!
i'm serious.
:)
I was going to mention Opeth. But I'm 44 and I think they're cool.... which means they're probably not. :|
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Fine how about Sikth? Surely if you think they're cool, you definitely are. And if you don't, they definitely are. :D
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Nice guitar :) I do like the green top, not sure if I'd get one myself, but I always like the look :) Good catch.
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Fine how about Sikth? Surely if you think they're cool, you definitely are. And if you don't, they definitely are. :D
I don't know them well enough to answer that one.... from what I've heard, I'm sure they're talented, but not sure I like the music. :?
I guess I should find out.
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They're kind of off the wall and it took me a few listens to really get into them. Though I only mentioned them because one of them happened to play a PRS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz5oa98LDq4&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAyqaLpJTQg&fmt=18
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I think the "lawyer's guitar" thing started because they were a small US company which dared to launch a high-end, high-price instrument at a time when the guitar market pretty much meant Fender, Gibson and overseas imports. Of course not many people bought them, or could afford them, at first. And there was quite a lot of emphasis (especially in the early days) on how many "A"s there were in the maple tops. So they developed an exclusive, "furniture guitar" kind of image.
Eventually they ended up challenging the big boys - why them and not, say, Dean or Hamer? I think because they stuck to a couple of basic designs and didn't really try to follow trends or make guitars for specific genres of music. Plus a fair bit of luck.
And now they've reached a point where so many people play them that there isn't just one PRS image any more - the instruments haven't changed much, but the range of users has got much wider. It can't be a lawyer's guitar if a "cool" band is using it.
Personally I'm a little bit worried about the new ranges and designs they're introducing - it seems like they're starting to try to be all things to everyone, which isn't really what they're about. They've been pretty clever so far, using the SE range for different designs rather than just budget copies of the US models. But I wonder if they're going to end up like Fender, with a bewildering number of models at different prices so you'll need to read the small print to figure out where they're made.
Oh well, enough moaning. They don't care what I think.
yeah, i understand that, i actually meant a much more simple argument. :oops:
namely,
(1) if you think that people in well-paying jobs but who are cr@p players shouldn't "deserve" nice guitars, then your argument is with our political/economic system, not guitar makers (same thing happens with cars, houses, etc. etc.)
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(2) the same people are often willing to pay as much money for a beaten up relic, so it doesn't look like a lawyer guitar, but in terms of price, is exactly the same (if not more).
which seems kind of daft. :lol:
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Sorry Dave, my rambling wasn't meant as a direct reply to your post.
But I take your point. :)
I think the contemptuous use of terms like "lawyer guitar" is bullsh!t anyway, there's a reverse-snobbery implication that you can only be a "proper" musician if you're:
(a) actually a professional musician; or
(b) amateur, skint and jobless ("I'm concentrating on my music!" :roll: ).
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I think the contemptuous use of terms like "lawyer guitar" is bullsh!t anyway, there's a reverse-snobbery implication that you can only be a "proper" musician if you're:
(a) actually a professional musician; or
(b) amateur, skint and jobless ("I'm concentrating on my music!" :roll: ).
You forgot JEALOUSY, Phill :lol:
That's why I say "lawyer guitar" (http://www.forumsd.com.br/phpBB/images/smilies/gargalha.gif)
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I always thought they were dentists guitars more than lawyers, but who cares?
It's built like a tank plays wonderful, sounds amazing, sustains for an ice age and looks fine playing jazz, funk, blues, rock, punk, death metal and session work for britney spears. how many guitars can boast that kind of versitility in looks and sonic performance?
Hence why I own it over any other guitar I could have bought for that cash, and trust me I work in a guitar shop and guitar workshop I try a lot of freaking guitars out!
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I kind of dislike PRS now, I was crazy to get one, CE24, Custom 24, anything.
Now they're just got this annoying nagging thing on me. It's not like GAS, it's like.. the polar opposite if that even exists. I was looking through Guitar Buyer and ALL the guitar adverts had PRS sprawled across their sections. Plus they reviewed the Starla, on the front page and everything.
It's like YouTube. Watch videos, but you can't see any related videos anymore. Just promoted bollocks.
I just find it annoying now.. or just love-hate since I haven't touched/tried/picked up one yet.
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I have played 3 PRS guitars. They were all stunningly good-great to play and sounded pretty good. I'd been a bit unenthusiastic about them up to that point. If I had the spare cash I'd get one in a blink.
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I kind of dislike PRS now, I was crazy to get one, CE24, Custom 24, anything.
Now they're just got this annoying nagging thing on me. It's not like GAS, it's like.. the polar opposite if that even exists. I was looking through Guitar Buyer and ALL the guitar adverts had PRS sprawled across their sections. Plus they reviewed the Starla, on the front page and everything.
It's like YouTube. Watch videos, but you can't see any related videos anymore. Just promoted bollocks.
I just find it annoying now.. or just love-hate since I haven't touched/tried/picked up one yet.
If I'm reading you right, you feel like you're at saturation point from all the advertising and media attention the company is getting. That's understandable - there's been a hell of a lot of PRS coverage in the guitar press and online recently.
However, I'd venture that if you picked up your preferred model and played it for half an hour, you'd like it. A lot. I own 2 US PRS guitars, and I must have played in the region of 20, and I've never failed to be impressed by any of them. Some I've liked more than others, don't get me wrong, but by and large, they are impressive instruments.
As for the whole lawyer's guitar thing, I don't buy it. I'm not rich (far from it) but I saved like a b@stard to buy the guitars I own, because of the way they play and the way they sound.
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Sorry Dave, my rambling wasn't meant as a direct reply to your post.
But I take your point. :)
I think the contemptuous use of terms like "lawyer guitar" is bullsh!t anyway, there's a reverse-snobbery implication that you can only be a "proper" musician if you're:
(a) actually a professional musician; or
(b) amateur, skint and jobless ("I'm concentrating on my music!" :roll: ).
Surely if the "lawyers guitar" label was bandied about purely because of those reasons then every £2000 guitar would get that accusation? Is it just because PRS are the biggest "boutique" (guffaw, they're as far from boutique as Fender, but you get my meaning) brand? Well, no, because they've always gotten the "lawyers guitar" thing and they've not always been the biggest on the block.
I always think it's simply because they're so bling'd out their brains and perhaps often it's aesthetics first, instrument second. For me personally though, I think they sit in that posers-not-players kinda catagory because I simply don't think they're worth remotely the money they cost and I'm always surprised when real players buy them over spending that kind of money on gear with which I think you get sooooooo much more for your money.
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I kind of dislike PRS now, I was crazy to get one, CE24, Custom 24, anything.
Now they're just got this annoying nagging thing on me. It's not like GAS, it's like.. the polar opposite if that even exists. I was looking through Guitar Buyer and ALL the guitar adverts had PRS sprawled across their sections. Plus they reviewed the Starla, on the front page and everything.
It's like YouTube. Watch videos, but you can't see any related videos anymore. Just promoted bollocks.
I just find it annoying now.. or just love-hate since I haven't touched/tried/picked up one yet.
If I'm reading you right, you feel like you're at saturation point from all the advertising and media attention the company is getting. That's understandable - there's been a hell of a lot of PRS coverage in the guitar press and online recently.
However, I'd venture that if you picked up your preferred model and played it for half an hour, you'd like it. A lot. I own 2 US PRS guitars, and I must have played in the region of 20, and I've never failed to be impressed by any of them. Some I've liked more than others, don't get me wrong, but by and large, they are impressive instruments.
As for the whole lawyer's guitar thing, I don't buy it. I'm not rich (far from it) but I saved like a b@stard to buy the guitars I own, because of the way they play and the way they sound.
You interpreted correctly :)
And yeah, I do want to eventually play one, but I don't really want to at the same time. Cause I'd GAS my ass off just to get one (which would be worth it but I'd be out of a student loan, lol..)
The only ones that interest me are the Custom 24 and CE24 and the 513 but that's just insane thinking.
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I'm always surprised when real players buy them over spending that kind of money on gear with which I think you get sooooooo much more for your money.
I ask this out of curiosity, not to be argumentative:
Which particular brands do you think give much better value for money?
I know there are those magical, one-off secondhand bargains which can be found after months of patient scouting around.... but I mean in a just-grab-an-average-one-off-the-shelf kind of way.
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^ What he said.
How is a new £950 PRS Mira not value for money?
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I'm always surprised when real players buy them over spending that kind of money on gear with which I think you get sooooooo much more for your money.
I ask this out of curiosity, not to be argumentative:
Which particular brands do you think give much better value for money?
I know there are those magical, one-off secondhand bargains which can be found after months of patient scouting around.... but I mean in a just-grab-an-average-one-off-the-shelf kind of way.
Now, it's worth mentioning that I still don't think these scream value for money - and ignoring custom builders - but in terms f guitars that I think make substantially better instruments for similar (and higher) prices;
Parker, Tom Anderson, Suhr, Tyler, Hamer, Dean, CS Fender, Gretsch...Hell, even the solidbody Taylor Custom (it is called a Custom, right? The £2k one?)
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Personally, I don't see how PRS is a "substantially" lesser instrument than any of those. I'm sure you've made this point before though.
Sounds like you're just anti-PRS for some reason?
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Sorry Dave, my rambling wasn't meant as a direct reply to your post.
But I take your point. :)
I think the contemptuous use of terms like "lawyer guitar" is bullsh!t anyway, there's a reverse-snobbery implication that you can only be a "proper" musician if you're:
(a) actually a professional musician; or
(b) amateur, skint and jobless ("I'm concentrating on my music!" :roll: ).
yeah, pretty much.
i knew you weren't having a go at me, i just didn't want to take credit i didn't deserve for thinking up a complicated argument... :lol: :drink:
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Personally, I don't see how PRS is a "substantially" lesser instrument than any of those. I'm sure you've made this point before though.
Sounds like you're just anti-PRS for some reason?
It's not that I'm anti-PRS as such, though I do think they're distinctly mediocre. It's just that I've played literally hundeds of them and not one would I have bought for half it's price. Other than to sell on :lol:
They just feel like ornaments to me, no vibe or life about them. They're not particularly great players, no great feel, not particularly exciting sounding. I don't think there's a great number of sounds in them and that's coming from someone who used to happily get every sound they wanted with one guitar to cover depping in dozens of wedding bands with quite varying sets as well as his metal band...
Everyone knows what I mean with guitars just not speaking to you at all. And it's simply that every single PRS I've ever played is like that.
There are other brands I feel the same about, LTD particularly, but they're in a totally different ballpark, monetarily.
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Parker, Tom Anderson, Suhr, Tyler, Hamer, Dean, CS Fender, Gretsch...Hell, even the solidbody Taylor Custom (it is called a Custom, right? The £2k one?)
They all sound higher and not lower. Than a £950 Mira anyways. But what do I know.
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Parker, Tom Anderson, Suhr, Tyler, Hamer, Dean, CS Fender, Gretsch...Hell, even the solidbody Taylor Custom (it is called a Custom, right? The £2k one?)
OK, fair enough, you're still talking high-end, high-price equipment, and not necessarily like-for-like alternatives to PRS. Anderson, Suhr and Tyler are amazing, but they're obviously in the Fender bolt-on style rather than Gibson set-neck. Parker - amazing innovation but they do nothing for me, personally. And of course Gretsch are something else altogether.
I've never tried a US Dean so I've no idea what they're like. I had a quick look at the Taylors, great but I'm not crazy about the specs or styling. And the PRS vs. Hamer debate is another thread, close call but I think it's very much a matter of personal taste - as are all these comparisons. :)
Everyone knows what I mean with guitars just not speaking to you at all. And it's simply that every single PRS I've ever played is like that.
Again, fair enough. But I'd say the same about most of the Hamers I've owned.
I think it's personal preference, not that PRS make worse guitars than the others you've named.
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Parker, Tom Anderson, Suhr, Tyler, Hamer, Dean, CS Fender, Gretsch...Hell, even the solidbody Taylor Custom (it is called a Custom, right? The £2k one?)
They all sound higher and not lower. Than a £950 Mira anyways. But what do I know.
They are. I didn't say they were cheaper guitars. I think you're getting a far better instrument in those brands than the comparably priced PRS instruments.
Regards the Miras and the price you can get CE series guitars for now, I'd much rather an SG or an LP studio, and I still think Gibson are overpriced :lol:
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Parker, Tom Anderson, Suhr, Tyler, Hamer, Dean, CS Fender, Gretsch...Hell, even the solidbody Taylor Custom (it is called a Custom, right? The £2k one?)
OK, fair enough, you're still talking high-end, high-price equipment, and not necessarily like-for-like alternatives to PRS. Anderson, Suhr and Tyler are amazing, but they're obviously in the Fender bolt-on style rather than Gibson set-neck. Parker - amazing innovation but they do nothing for me, personally. And of course Gretsch are something else altogether.
I've never tried a US Dean so I've no idea what they're like. I had a quick look at the Taylors, great but I'm not crazy about the specs or styling. And the PRS vs. Hamer debate is another thread, close call but I think it's very much a matter of personal taste - as are all these comparisons. :)
Everyone knows what I mean with guitars just not speaking to you at all. And it's simply that every single PRS I've ever played is like that.
Again, fair enough. But I'd say the same about most of the Hamers I've owned.
I think it's personal preference, not that PRS make worse guitars than the others you've named.
Absolutely. I'd have thought this was assumed. I have "Unless otherwise stated, assume everything above is preceded with IN MY OPINION" in my sig on a couple forums, but I think we're sensible enough here that that isn't required :lol:
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Absolutely. I'd have thought this was assumed. I have "Unless otherwise stated, assume everything above is preceded with IN MY OPINION" in my sig on a couple forums, but I think we're sensible enough here that that isn't required :lol:
Of course it's assumed, and I'd be the first to say "Yes of course I'm giving my opinion, I can't give anyone else's".
But in the earlier comments you seem to be saying more than just "PRS isn't my thing". You seem to be saying they're actually Bad Guitars (IYO, naturally).
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Absolutely. I'd have thought this was assumed. I have "Unless otherwise stated, assume everything above is preceded with IN MY OPINION" in my sig on a couple forums, but I think we're sensible enough here that that isn't required :lol:
Of course it's assumed, and I'd be the first to say "Yes of course I'm giving my opinion, I can't give anyone else's".
But in the earlier comments you seem to be saying more than just "PRS isn't my thing". You seem to be saying they're actually Bad Guitars (IYO, naturally).
I do think that, or at least, I think they're mediocre guitars that ask the price of very good guitars. But I'm perfectly aware that that's my opinion and plenty folk will disagree :) Like a guitar put together out of very good parts, but finishing touches and built by a carpenter rather than a luthier. I think that's a decent summation of what I feel.
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Fair enough! Sounds like you're in the minority on this forum though as we're all PRS fanboys :lol:
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Fair enough! Sounds like you're in the minority on this forum though as we're all PRS fanboys :lol:
S'arlight! Most folks don't like Parkers and I've got two.
Still, we have plenty fanboys of the guitar I'm waiting on at the minute...
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Still, we have plenty fanboys of the guitar I'm waiting on at the minute...
Which is??
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Still, we have plenty fanboys of the guitar I'm waiting on at the minute...
Which is??
Something I've made a point of not mentioning :lol:
I'd actually quite like some opinions on what pickups I want to stick in it, but it's construction would be a give away.
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Still, we have plenty fanboys of the guitar I'm waiting on at the minute...
Which is??
Something I've made a point of not mentioning :lol:
I'd actually quite like some opinions on what pickups I want to stick in it, but it's construction would be a give away.
I just get the vibe that its a Black Machine.
No evidence whatsoever.
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I just get the vibe that its a Black Machine.
No evidence whatsoever.
I was expecting to see them mentioned at some point!
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I just get the vibe that its a Black Machine.
No evidence whatsoever.
I was expecting to see them mentioned at some point!
They seem to get mentioned on these boards all the time :p
They're sort of the BKP flagship guitars.
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Something I've made a point of not mentioning :lol:
I'd actually quite like some opinions on what pickups I want to stick in it, but it's construction would be a give away.
I most lost the mention or simply just forgot it (not that hard, I've bird's memory :lol:)
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HOLY SHHHH... if those black machines are sexy! i've never heard of them but the B2 model gave me an almost uncontrollable GAS... i fear it costs an obscene amount of money... am i right?
has anyone of you actually tried on of those beauties?
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They do nothing for me...
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They do nothing for me...
i imagined... :)
they aren't much vintage looking, actually...
i have to say i love both worlds, but i've got mainly an attitude for clear and plain modern designs... and for les pauls, of course... ;)
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Not really my cup of tea, but they look very good for metal.
That headstock looks way cool but it can't be very robust?
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HOLY SHHHH... if those black machines are sexy! i've never heard of them but the B2 model gave me an almost uncontrollable GAS... i fear it costs an obscene amount of money... am i right?
has anyone of you actually tried on of those beauties?
Nolly owns one, or two? Not sure. Look him up.
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HOLY SHHHH... if those black machines are sexy! i've never heard of them but the B2 model gave me an almost uncontrollable GAS... i fear it costs an obscene amount of money... am i right?
has anyone of you actually tried on of those beauties?
Nolly owns one, or two? Not sure. Look him up.
Alot of people on this board have them actually.
Nolly has one, Dez has one, someone got a B6 here a while ago, can't remember who, and there's a load more I'm forgetting/don't post alot so I don't know their names.
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HOLY SHHHH... if those black machines are sexy! i've never heard of them but the B2 model gave me an almost uncontrollable GAS... i fear it costs an obscene amount of money... am i right?
has anyone of you actually tried on of those beauties?
They're very nice build with stunning woods, if you like metal and thin guitars/necks is the way to go :D
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HOLY SHHHH... if those black machines are sexy! i've never heard of them but the B2 model gave me an almost uncontrollable GAS... i fear it costs an obscene amount of money... am i right?
has anyone of you actually tried on of those beauties?
They're very nice build with stunning woods, if you like metal and thin guitars/necks is the way to go :D
i see... for sure they look great, but the fact is that i always find myself preferring "meatier" guitars with "compromise" necks... for example i'm literally in love with my 60s necked les paul... i'm not comfortable with extra-thin necks, i'm not very technical, you know... :)
so i think i'd never feel at home with such a thin guitar... god, once i owned a mobile phone that was actually thicker that that!
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i see... for sure they look great, but the fact is that i always find myself preferring "meatier" guitars with "compromise" necks... for example i'm literally in love with my 60s necked les paul... i'm not comfortable with extra-thin necks, i'm not very technical, you know... :)
so i think i'd never feel at home with such a thin guitar... god, once i owned a mobile phone that was actually thicker that that!
SO you're like as me... I love the woods and the builds, but I'm more "LP kind of man too" my Warmoth tele has a 1" thick neck (although I'm thinking is a little too much, the good one is 24mm or 24,5mm)...
Someday I could buy one, if Doug makes one LesPaulized :lol:
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They got the lawyers guitar label because of the Dragons, at $20,000 the only people who could afford them were lawyers and bankers. The Private stock can be a bit steep to, but they are one offs in the main so should demand some premium. The regular guitars were always in the Gibson price range, and with the work on them I think that is a reasonable price.
I have 3 and they all play really well, but all of mine have BK pickups, I liked the early PRS pickups, but not the later ones, and once I found BK's I was able to get my Artist sounding the way I wanted.
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Black Machines are some of the most impressive guitars I've played for heavy music, my friend owns two and another friend of mine owns three.. I've played two of these guitars and I had the money to buy one but I choose not to because the appearance doesn't do it for me especially if im playing in a jazz quartet on an evening or if im playing in a soul/funk band on the weekend.
anyway more to the point, if you'd done your homework read into PRS and understood why they use low mass tuners for more sustain, use the none friction nut, the perfect headstock angle, the neck heel joint is designed for maximum sustain, the solid one piece mahogany back, the way the trem systems side holds the saddles still for no movement when using the trem etc.. etc..
Do your homework these guitars are built like a $%&#ing tank, they sound fantastic and ARE worth the cash, I paid £750 for my PRS but i'd gladly have paid the full £2599 RRP for a guitar of this quality, I work in a guitar shop and I worked in another before this that deals with some of the most expensive guitars money can buy from 58 and 59 les pauls to tylers, andersons and suhrs. I've owned a Schecter Tom Anderson Era Strat, I've owned Custom Shop Strats, Vintage Les Pauls and everything else you can mention to boot.
I've played the lot, and im still taken by PRS and it's versitility and trans-genre respect and down right amazing engineering and stunning tone, if you think they're shite it's your loss 8)