Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: nikita on January 09, 2009, 07:05:39 AM
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hey guys!!!
i recently bought a Jackson USA RR1 Randy Rhoads and now i want to change the Seymour Duncan's for BN pickups;
i will only use this guitar for trash metal ala Slayer and old Metallica...
hope you can help me to choose the right one
mfg
nikita
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BN? Curse you, phonetic acronym-iser.
Painkillers.
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bn? what do you mean?
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bn? what do you mean?
This:
i want to change the Seymour Duncan's for BN pickups;
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
now i got you...
well how do you abbreviate bareknuckle?
anyway you recommend me painkillers...i thought the warpig would be just fine...m i wrong?
btw- im using an Engl fireball with 4x12 Engl v30 boxes...
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bkp - bare knuckle pickups
teehee.
but i dont know what for thrash.
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Well you can get thrash out of a fireball with crawlers or even single coils
But
Youre not wrong, the pig can do it, but its a bit sudgier, a bit more organic, overkill in power especially through a fireball - the PK has that ultra-tight low and mid grind for old school thrash. A miracle man would also be a good choice, but its rather a different beast.
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Painkiller bridge would probably be the best choice for your requirements. I have one in my Jackson KV2 so I know it works well in US neck-thru Jacksons. I posted a few clips with it (through an Engl Savage here (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=11926.0) & here (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=11727.0)
But IMO the Holy Diver is a better all-round match for US Jacksons & does old school thrash very well. Have a search for posts by me in Players containing "Holy Diver" & you'll find plenty of my trusty RR1T gnashing away :twisted: FWIW, my favourite ones are here (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6461.0) & here (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=14365.0)
My only experience with the Warpig has been in all-mahogany Gibsons so not sure how it would sound in the much brighter Jacksons. Probably very good, but with a Powerball, you simply don't need that much power & saturation from the pickups.
Regarding the neck pickup, do you have any particular requirements? If you just want a sweet clean for Metallica-esque intros/"One" kinda stuff etc then the Cold Sweat is a good match for the PK bridge & does neck leads very nicely too - it's a great all-rounder. The PK neck is very powerful (with a ceramic magnet - the only ceramic neck BKP make) & is great for neck lead work. The Holy Diver neck has IMHO the best clean sound in existence :)
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wow thats one great answer!!!! 8)
since we nearly have the same equipment i can easely see how it will sound!
nice cowboy from hell cover!
i guess the painkiller is just what i need, although i would love to hear how the warpig would sound through your KK1!
btw: what is in your opinion the better guitar: the RR1 or the KHII?
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btw: what is in your opinion the better guitar: the RR1 or the KHII?
You mean between my RR1T & KV2? It's very close, I love both guitars. I wish I owned more of them :) (if the £ picks up against the $ maybe I will...)
I guess I like the RR1T just a little bit more because I prefer the 3-way toggle selector switch over the lever (plus it's in a more accessible position).
Also, the "standard" neck profile feels slightly more comfortable to me than the "speed" neck of the KV2. There's very little difference between them & both are very nice necks, but the standard is just a tiny bit thicker & has 6000 fretwire (as opposed to 6105 on the speed neck).
I wish I owned an RR1 (i.e. with a Floyd) because it would be almost perfect - probably the only things I'd change would be the pickups (for a BKP HD set) & the wiring of the pots (from 1V/2T to 2V/1T).
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I wish I owned an RR1 (i.e. with a Floyd) because it would be almost perfect - probably the only things I'd change would be the pickups (for a BKP HD set) & the wiring of the pots (from 1V/2T to 2V/1T).
Hehe, I have a RR1, next week I'll put a Painkiller bridge and Cold Sweat neck in it. Play it through an Engl SE and Engl pro cab (V30). Very eager to hear it (in comparison with the current SD Custom/Jazz combination).
Question though, Antag. What would be the result of the new pot wiring?
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Question though, Antag. What would be the result of the new pot wiring?
Nothing really, except that I'd find two Volumes slightly more useful than two Tones.
Two volumes allow you to roll-off the neck volume, then use the switch to quickly cut in/out a held note like James Hetfield does in his "To Live is to Die" solo, or Randy Rhoads does in his solo spot on the Tribute live album (& probably 100s of Les Paul users have done over the years, but I can't think of any off the top of my head... :))
Also, the position of the Volume on the RR1 is right on the limit of being too far forward for my tastes. If there's a neck volume in that position, then there's no danger of my picking hand knocking & gradually rolling off the sound when I'm playing palm-muted downpicked riffs (I splay the last 3 fingers of my picking hand quite wide so I have this problem on a lot of guitars where the volume is really close to the bridge pickup).
I like simple control layouts - a single Volume positioned where my flailing hand won't bump into it & a simple 3-way pickup selector is all I really need. If I was having the guitar custom built I wouldn't even bother with one Tone pot.
FWIW, I've still not got round to making that change on my RR1T (having owned it for 6 years) so it's not a really big deal...
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Question though, Antag. What would be the result of the new pot wiring?
Nothing really, except that I'd find two Volumes slightly more useful than two Tones.
Two volumes allow you to roll-off the neck volume, then use the switch to quickly cut in/out a held note like James Hetfield does in his "To Live is to Die" solo, or Randy Rhoads does in his solo spot on the Tribute live album (& probably 100s of Les Paul users have done over the years, but I can't think of any off the top of my head... :))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRbPWcLode0
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oh how i love this part...i guess it isnt the best thing you can do to your guitar but who cares!!!
i always thought there isnt any difference between the RR1 and the RR1T....are there any?
I wish I owned an RR1 (i.e. with a Floyd) because it would be almost perfect - probably the only things I'd change would be the pickups (for a BKP HD set) & the wiring of the pots (from 1V/2T to 2V/1T).
Hehe, I have a RR1, next week I'll put a Painkiller bridge and Cold Sweat neck in it. Play it through an Engl SE and Engl pro cab (V30). Very eager to hear it (in comparison with the current SD Custom/Jazz combination).
yea i guess i will put a Painkiller bridge and Cold Sweat in mine too!
it will sound godly on the Engl!!!
which colour did you choose for your RR1?
btw: how can you change the tone knob into a volume knob?
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btw: how can you change the tone knob into a volume knob?
Erm. I think its easier than you think, just get a normal tone pot and replace the volume pot.
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which colour did you choose for your RR1?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/iceddragon/guitars/Rhoads2.jpg)
;)
Note that the amp is not the E570 (SE pre-amp)
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btw: how can you change the tone knob into a volume knob?
Erm. I think its easier than you think, just get a normal tone pot and replace the volume pot.
Err? pots were pots, they are either linear or log but they do the same thing, it's just the way they are wired in, or am I completely wrong?
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for mahogany, I'd say Painkiller or Cold Sweat
but... alder + maple + engl + vht = dry tightness
so I think a Holy Diver or Nailbomb will balance better
the Painkiller is already too "djenty" (or "tchank tchank", like my friend says :lol:)
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i thought only people who hate thrash metal called it trash metal?
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i thought only people who hate thrash metal called it trash metal?
:P
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sorry that none of my comments are much use, but i wanted to comment on Iced dragon's guitar. very, very nice. did it come like that or is that a custom paint job? looks like it could use a quick wipe down though. gotta keep a guitar like that nice and clean.
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which colour did you choose for your RR1?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/iceddragon/guitars/Rhoads2.jpg)
;)
Note that the amp is not the E570 (SE pre-amp)
yeaaaaaaaaaa i have the $%&#ing same one!!!
and the same 4x12 Engl v30 - your equipment is godlike!!!!
i've a g-major too- for what do you use it?
if you use the eq would you mind posting your settings?
@CJ: trash is imo the best metaltype!
the old metallica albums like kill them all, and master of puppets - Slayer - Overkill - Megadeth are all trash metal bands....everyone knows that- or are you just kidding?
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btw: how can you change the tone knob into a volume knob?
Erm. I think its easier than you think, just get a normal tone pot and replace the volume pot.
Err? pots were pots, they are either linear or log but they do the same thing, it's just the way they are wired in, or am I completely wrong?
It's just a simple rewire, might need one of the pots replacing (though I think Jackson use 500k pots for their Tones so perhaps not)
From this (http://www.seymourduncan.com/pdfs/support/schematics/2h_1v_2t_3w.pdf) to this (http://www.seymourduncan.com/pdfs/support/schematics/2h_2v_1t_3w.pdf)
PS: Sorry to link to Duncans :) too lazy to search for a "neutral" diagram...
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Question though, Antag. What would be the result of the new pot wiring?
Two volumes allow you to roll-off the neck volume, then use the switch to quickly cut in/out a held note like James Hetfield does in his "To Live is to Die" solo, or Randy Rhoads does in his solo spot on the Tribute live album (& probably 100s of Les Paul users have done over the years, but I can't think of any off the top of my head... :))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRbPWcLode0
0:23
oh how i love this part...i guess it isnt the best thing you can do to your guitar but who cares!!!
Yeah, that's what I meant. It's not something I'd do often (if at all?) but I guess I could also use it as a quick'n'easy "mute". Either way, it would be more useful than 2 Tone pots that just sit there on 10...
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i always thought there isnt any difference between the RR1 and the RR1T....are there any?
The only difference is the bridge/nut - the RR1 has a Floyd & locking nut, the RR1T has a Tuneomatic/graphite nut.
Here's mine:
(http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/hh23/george204/th_RR_HD.jpg) (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh23/george204/RR_HD.jpg)
(http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/hh23/george204/th_rig1.jpg) (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh23/george204/rig1.jpg)
:)
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I love the "T" models of anything of Jacksons, i.e. string-thru
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for mahogany, I'd say Painkiller or Cold Sweat
but... alder + maple + engl + vht = dry tightness
so I think a Holy Diver or Nailbomb will balance better
the Painkiller is already too "djenty" (or "tchank tchank", like my friend says :lol:)
Well, originally I was going to put a Nailbomb in it, but Tim also advised either a Painkiller (for the chugachuga sound :P) or CS bridge.
As I find Engl to already provide a lot of mids, I feared for too much of them and a lack of tightness when using a NB. So I went for a Painkiller. If it doesn't work out, I have just gotten myself a CS-set before opting for the NB.
Blame it on Tim I'd say :lol:
Btw, not that it'll make a lot of difference, but my RR is poplar ;)
@Nikita: the style is tHrash metal (as in 'to beat one up' or something ;)), not trash (garbage), but that's a matter of taste ;)
And I don't use the EQ of my G-Major ... I'll need to experiment with it, I know, but in 6 months I'm graduating and then I'm really going to try everything.
@CJ: that's the LTG finish one can opt for, it's not custom at all. But though I say it myself, it's (one of) the best done LTGs I've ever seen. And yeah, it could have used a wipe, but it's meant to be used ;). I'll give it a good rub before taking pics with the BKPs installed :lol:
cheers
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i always thought there isnt any difference between the RR1 and the RR1T....are there any?
The only difference is the bridge/nut - the RR1 has a Floyd & locking nut, the RR1T has a Tuneomatic/graphite nut.
Yeah, there are couple of guitars I'd like to own, and one of them is a floyd-less Jackson Warrior. *sigh*
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@Nikita: the style is tHrash metal (as in 'to beat one up' or something ;)), not trash (garbage), but that's a matter of taste ;)
yeah thats what i was saying. i've seen countless people call 'thrash' metal 'trash' metal. but they appear like they like the music, so i can never tell if they're making fun of the genre or they simply think its actually called 'trash'. just wondering.
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oh... :lol:
well i didnt realize that there are two words for that in english...now i know what you mean :) :D
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I'm sure it's Trash 8)
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Well, Trash is what you put in the garbage bin so;)
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Well, Trash is what you put in the garbage bin so;)
Exactly
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To each his own, people :)
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oh... :lol:
well i didnt realize that there are two words for that in english...now i know what you mean :) :D
Actually, some glam rockers describe their music as 'trash' so I thought the thread was about that..! Which ain't really tHrash by any stretch of the imagination. ;)
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Actually, some glam rockers describe their music as 'trash' so I thought the thread was about that..! Which ain't really tHrash by any stretch of the imagination. ;)
Well, the way he referrred to "Slayer and old metallica" in his first post kinda gave the meaning away... :)
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the 'miracle man' get frequently mentioned for thrash, its certainly my favourite for early megadeth. i wonder why not this time - perhaps the poplar body?
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Well, I've just tried the CS bridge in my Hamer Centaura (Swamp ash, maple neck and fretboard) and it kinda blew me away (didn't really test it at very high volume). I must say, this is pretty much what I'm looking after for replacement of the SD Custom in my RR.
Seems to be somewhat in between SD Invader and Custom (at first test). Reminds me very much of Nevermore (Politics of Ecstacy-sound). Has also a little of Master of Puppets in it (and even AJFA :P).
I don't feel like making the effort to test the Painkiller in my Rhoads anymore, and just mount the CS :P 8)
Can't wait to hear it in the RR.
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Actually, some glam rockers describe their music as 'trash' so I thought the thread was about that..! Which ain't really tHrash by any stretch of the imagination. ;)
Well, the way he referrred to "Slayer and old metallica" in his first post kinda gave the meaning away... :)
Yesyesyes, I opened the thread thinking 'LA Guns' and saw 'Slayer'.
:?
:D
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Well, I've just tried the CS bridge in my Hamer Centaura (Swamp ash, maple neck and fretboard) and it kinda blew me away (didn't really test it at very high volume). I must say, this is pretty much what I'm looking after for replacement of the SD Custom in my RR.
Seems to be somewhat in between SD Invader and Custom (at first test). Reminds me very much of Nevermore (Politics of Ecstacy-sound). Has also a little of Master of Puppets in it (and even AJFA :P).
I don't feel like making the effort to test the Painkiller in my Rhoads anymore, and just mount the CS :P 8)
Can't wait to hear it in the RR.
yeah the cold sweat is my favorite ceramic pickup ever :D :D :D
I had the duncan custom, miracle man, painkiller, emg 81, gibson 500t, bill lawrence l500xl and played others like duncan distortion, dimarzio super distortion...
the cold sweat has like the best qualities of each one of these without the downsides!
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Well, I've just tried the CS bridge in my Hamer Centaura (Swamp ash, maple neck and fretboard) and it kinda blew me away (didn't really test it at very high volume). I must say, this is pretty much what I'm looking after for replacement of the SD Custom in my RR.
Seems to be somewhat in between SD Invader and Custom (at first test). Reminds me very much of Nevermore (Politics of Ecstacy-sound). Has also a little of Master of Puppets in it (and even AJFA :P).
I don't feel like making the effort to test the Painkiller in my Rhoads anymore, and just mount the CS :P 8)
Can't wait to hear it in the RR.
sounds like a cold sweat should be a common household item!
yeah the cold sweat is my favorite ceramic pickup ever :D :D :D
I had the duncan custom, miracle man, painkiller, emg 81, gibson 500t, bill lawrence l500xl and played others like duncan distortion, dimarzio super distortion...
the cold sweat has like the best qualities of each one of these without the downsides!
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so i finally decided to buy some bareknuckles :D
i asked tim and he told me to take the Painkiller bridge humbucker and Riff Raff neck
humbucker - this is a combination he's currently using himelf and they're
perfect for classic aggressive thrash tones combined with pure cleans
from the neck. :shock: