Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: m0jo on March 12, 2009, 05:09:52 PM
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Hi guys,
This is a bit of a weird story but here goes:
I have a Stagg Tom Delonge signature copy, for those that don't know: a bright yellow strat with one SD Invader (copy on mine..) with one volume knob on a pearl pickguard. 8)
I got it some time ago from my girlfriend as a birthday gift because (long story short) we met when I put on Blink 182 - First Date during the setting up of the PA for a big fashion show at our school (she was in the organising group).
I've already upgraded the tuners, nut and bridge (a.k.a. all the hardware on it :lol:) so it's properly playable now, and the wood actually doesn't sound that bad (later on I plan on putting an allparts neck on) .. but the pickup does. So to the point: what Bare Knuckle would be close to an Invader but a bit more sophisticated? I've played the invader but I thought it sounded a bit dull and uninteresting.. I want something with a bit more brightness but with the same power, so a Warpig would be too much probably.
Would that be the Miracle Man then? Or is that too scooped? Because I like the mid punch in the invader (in an alder guitar that is).
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CWP
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Haha that's pretty straightforward, anyone got second opinions?
I don't mean to insult BKP by putting in a stagg .. look at it as a compliment that I think a bare knuckle can save it! :D
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well, part of it is, that i believe that everyone should have a CWP, no matter what they play, because it's a benchmark of awesomeness..ness :lol:
the other part is, i have it in an alder bodied superstrat with a maple/maple neck and it slays.
what kind of music do you actually play? you'd probably do good with a nailbomb aswell
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In terms of raw output Holy Diver, Miracle Man, Painkiller, A'Pig or C'Pig would all do it (Nailbomb would be a tiny bit less)
If it's mid punch you want then IMHO it's between the Holy Diver (don't be put off by the name, it has some serious grunt & sounds great in alder) or the Painkiller.
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@Davey:
Haha okay then, well you are a good authority on CWP+alder then, but do you use standard tuning?
With that guitar I will mostly play punk rock (should have seen that one coming eh :lol:) and some heavyer and lighter stuff but I want it voiced for the punk stuff. I thought the Nailbomb might be a bit underpowered (for the application) and light in this guitar (and maybe too transparant, the wood is reasonable for the price .. but the price wasn't high ;) )
@Antag:
Actually that is one feature I really want: raw output, because in the punk style I want to use less gain with a higher output pickup to get that punchier sound.
There are not that many clips of the HD, but I thought it wouldn't have enough raw power as it's meant for more 80's metal.. but maybe my vision of 80's metal is a bit off.. :P
How does the output compare between those pickups? (I saw an ordering from high to low somewhere but I can't find it now.. )
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i use standard tuning with the regular pig and Eb with the ceramic one
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No! Not with an invader! It'll get the beautifull BK knocked up, living in a besit and addicted to crack
If you really must, then its a C-Pig that you seek.
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MDV .. with all due respect, did you actually read the posts or just spewed your comment immediatly? :lol:
I want to REPLACE an Invader (well.. replace a copy of an invader with a better alternative to an invader ^^)
I wouldn't dare put a BKP next to an Invader in the same guitar lol as you said.. although the Warpig would probably *****cencored***** the Invader right back and then some!
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Read? What is ths read of which you speak?
I just saw the thread and pre-emptively posted based on my worst case assumptions! Its good enough for international policies and wars in the middle east...
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Oh, its still a C-Pig. Replace and observe the epic pwnage it lays down on the invader.
A far better pickup in all possible ways.
(I really hate invaders)
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My post listed them in order, lowest to highest. Although I've never owned a Ceramic 'Pig, I'm inclined to agree with MDV & Davey - if it's raw power you want (more than the Invader, but with bucketloads more clarity) then the CWP is probably the thing. In summary (starting with least powerful):
Nailbomb: No, not powerful enough
Holy Diver: Possibly - plenty of fat midrange punch, approx same level of power, drives an amp hard
Miracle Man: No, too smooth
Painkiller: Probably - powerful, plenty of mids, tighter than the HD
A'Pig: Possibly - plenty of power, huge low end & raw midrange
C'Pig: Most likely?
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The c-pig is only perhaps marginally hotter, maybe a tiny bit, than the A-Pig, its just that its more aggressive.
Invader - huge low end (muddy), scooped, very attacking, sharp (brittle as $%&#) high end, very compressed. You cant find mud or brittlness in any BK, and even the pigs arent very compressed, but your closest match of those general characteristics with the same power is the C-Pig. More mids, but its the closest in its general tone and aggression.
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...with the same power is the C-Pig.
Really? Perhaps my memory of the Invader is at fault - I didn't play one for very long (couldn't live with the MUD! :() but my impression was that it was not much more powerful than the Distortion (which is why I suggested Holy Diver - the 'Diver is in that ball park power-wise).
In which case, listen to MDV, I'm talking bollox :roll:
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In all fairness I havent played them back to back but thats how it seems to me. Powerfull pickup. Horrible, but powerfull.
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maybe it was the overpowering bass that suggests, that it's a very high output pickup. i played an invader back to back with my warpig (alnico) and the invader had this HUGE wall of bass that drowned everything. it actually made the warpig sound small.. but there was no note definition and the high end is sharp and simply put horrible
the CWP sounds much more agressive, due to the ceramic pickup, but retains much of its original tonality and ... well, try one out.. you will not be dissapointed, i grant you that
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CWP it is then!
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Haha a clearcut win for the CWP! :D
Thanks a lot guys, I think this the most decisive and easy pickup choosing thread ever on here haha.
By your descriptions the fake Invader that is in the guitar at the moment (stock stagg pickup... ahem) actually sounds better than the actual Invader :lol:
On a different point: does BKP do white bobbins? Not cream but real white? Because I do love the look of the white Invader and Dimarzio x2n 8)
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i think the stagg delonge is agathis no?
a double screw pole miracle man might also be an option
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Nope, alder. :)
http://www.staggmusic.com/products/products_detail.php?langue=uk&oneid=454
(god that headstock looks bad on pictures, in real life it's not that bad.. I am changing the neck soon though.)
About the MM: I thought so too at first, but what MDV said about it being too smooth makes sense. I don't think it will be raw enough ;) Plus you're too late because my mind is set on the CWP now :D
edit: improved my spelling and punctuation from the level of a 4 to 6 year old.
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does BKP do white bobbins? Not cream but real white? Because I do love the look of the white Invader and Dimarzio x2n 8)
Yes, you can get open poled pickups in white (I assume that's what a "bobbin" is?). I have white Nailbombs & they are a "pure" white:
(http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/hh23/george204/th_Gtop_NB.jpg) (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh23/george204/Gtop_NB.jpg)
You also get a choice of pole pieces: screws, allens or cap-head allens (not sure if all of them come with all 3 choices of chrome/black/gold). For a 'pig it's a double row of those, no slug pieces...
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@Antag: bobbins are the plastic parts the coils are wound around.
Great! That looks nice in the goldtop, I'm not a Gibson man but I do have a weakness for goldtops :) (and SG-x's ..).
I knew about the polepieces but I had never seen a pure white one, so just checking ;)
White with 12 cap-head allens it is then! :D (both types of allen bolts are only in black afaik).
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i *think* i've seen a pickup with chrome allen heads (not the cap ones.. the allen heads that are on a standard pig) but right now i'm not sure if it was a BKP or not
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All Dimarzio and most Seymour Duncan pickups have (if any) chrome allen bolts.
But for bkp's I think there is only a choice of black .. and black. :D
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Not true - I have a nailbomb with chrome allen poles (flat ones, not cap head)
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Not true - I have a nailbomb with chrome allen poles (flat ones, not cap head)
there we go.. i knew someone here had one:D
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I stand corrected!
I'll have the black caps though 8) they're mean!
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this is just an observation... when i think about punk i think about the raw "vintagey" sounds of late 70s... 90s and 2000s punk is something closely related with pop-rock (no offense to anyone, i love pop... :)), so MAYBE a Cpig could be too much in both cases. too tight, too aggressive, too powerful... if i played punk i'd go for a vintage-hot pickup and not for a death metal beast like the cpig, but it's just an opinion.
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yes that is a commonly made wrongey :P let me clarify: Punkrock, that would be the more modern stuff like Blink 182 and Sum 41 etc. :)
But this is a sound that falls outside of both catagories, it's all about brute power and punch. A vintage hot pickup would just not cut it.
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well, then a Cpig is THE choice! :D