A BKP to match an Invader

[m0jo]

Hi guys,

This is a bit of a weird story but here goes:
I have a Stagg Tom Delonge signature copy, for those that don't know: a bright yellow strat with one SD Invader (copy on mine..) with one volume knob on a pearl pickguard. 8)

I got it some time ago from my girlfriend as a birthday gift because (long story short) we met when I put on Blink 182 - First Date during the setting up of the PA for a big fashion show at our school (she was in the organising group).

I've already upgraded the tuners, nut and bridge (a.k.a. all the hardware on it :lol:) so it's properly playable now, and the wood actually doesn't sound that bad (later on I plan on putting an allparts neck on) .. but the pickup does. So to the point: what Bare Knuckle would be close to an Invader but a bit more sophisticated? I've played the invader but I thought it sounded a bit dull and uninteresting..  I want something with a bit more brightness but with the same power, so a Warpig would be too much probably.

Would that be the Miracle Man then? Or is that too scooped? Because I like the mid punch in the invader (in an alder guitar that is).

[Davey]

CWP

[m0jo]

Haha that's pretty straightforward, anyone got second opinions?

I don't mean to insult BKP by putting in a stagg .. look at it as a compliment that I think a bare knuckle can save it! :D

[Davey]

well, part of it is, that i believe that everyone should have a CWP, no matter what they play, because it's a benchmark of awesomeness..ness  :lol:
the other part is, i have it in an alder bodied superstrat with a maple/maple neck and it slays.

what kind of music do you actually play? you'd probably do good with a nailbomb aswell

[Antag]

In terms of raw output Holy Diver, Miracle Man, Painkiller, A'Pig or C'Pig would all do it (Nailbomb would be a tiny bit less)

If it's mid punch you want then IMHO it's between the Holy Diver (don't be put off by the name, it has some serious grunt & sounds great in alder) or the Painkiller.

[m0jo]

@Davey:

Haha okay then, well you are a good authority on CWP+alder then, but do you use standard tuning?

With that guitar I will mostly play punk rock (should have seen that one coming eh :lol:) and some heavyer and lighter stuff but I want it voiced for the punk stuff. I thought the Nailbomb might be a bit underpowered (for the application) and light in this guitar (and maybe too transparant, the wood is reasonable for the price .. but the price wasn't high ;) )

@Antag:

Actually that is one feature I really want: raw output, because in the punk style I want to use less gain with a higher output pickup to get that punchier sound.

There are not that many clips of the HD, but I thought it wouldn't have enough raw power as it's meant for more 80's metal.. but maybe my vision of 80's metal is a bit off.. :P

How does the output compare between those pickups? (I saw an ordering from high to low somewhere but I can't find it now..  )

[Davey]

i use standard tuning with the regular pig and Eb with the ceramic one

[MDV]

No! Not with an invader! It'll get the beautifull BK knocked up, living in a besit and addicted to crack

If you really must, then its a C-Pig that you seek.

[m0jo]

MDV .. with all due respect, did you actually read the posts or just spewed your comment immediatly? :lol:

I want to REPLACE an Invader (well.. replace a copy of an invader with a better alternative to an invader ^^)

I wouldn't dare put a BKP next to an Invader in the same guitar lol as you said.. although the Warpig would probably  *****cencored***** the Invader right back and then some!

[MDV]

Read? What is ths read of which you speak?

I just saw the thread and pre-emptively posted based on my worst case assumptions! Its good enough for international policies and wars in the middle east...

[MDV]

Oh, its still a C-Pig. Replace and observe the epic pwnage it lays down on the invader.

A far better pickup in all possible ways.

(I really hate invaders)

[Antag]

My post listed them in order, lowest to highest.  Although I've never owned a Ceramic 'Pig, I'm inclined to agree with MDV & Davey - if it's raw power you want (more than the Invader, but with bucketloads more clarity) then the CWP is probably the thing.  In summary (starting with least powerful):

Nailbomb: No, not powerful enough
Holy Diver: Possibly - plenty of fat midrange punch, approx same level of power, drives an amp hard
Miracle Man: No, too smooth
Painkiller: Probably - powerful, plenty of mids, tighter than the HD
A'Pig: Possibly - plenty of power, huge low end & raw midrange
C'Pig: Most likely?

[MDV]

The c-pig is only perhaps marginally hotter, maybe a tiny bit, than the A-Pig, its just that its more aggressive.

Invader - huge low end (muddy), scooped, very attacking, sharp (brittle as $%&#) high end, very compressed. You cant find mud or brittlness in any BK, and even the pigs arent very compressed, but your closest match of those general characteristics with the same power is the C-Pig. More mids, but its the closest in its general tone and aggression.

[Antag]

...with the same power is the C-Pig.

Really?  Perhaps my memory of the Invader is at fault - I didn't play one for very long (couldn't live with the MUD! :() but my impression was that it was not much more powerful than the Distortion (which is why I suggested Holy Diver - the 'Diver is in that ball park power-wise).

In which case, listen to MDV, I'm talking bollox :roll:

[MDV]

In all fairness I havent played them back to back but thats how it seems to me. Powerfull pickup. Horrible, but powerfull.