Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: the prince of shred on March 26, 2009, 04:39:38 PM
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ok ive bin thinking about getting a cheap v, jackosn or esp or similar...
i like the look of the rr3... particularly the limited pinstripe one... http://www.backalleymusic.co.uk/index1.html
but is it any good? (for metal and would replace pup's with bkp obviously.)
bolt on neck? this means less sustain?
how does that ltd one differ from the standard? all the funky finnishes seem to add 100 to the price tag !!! is the build quality any better?
n what pups would go good in this? c-pigs good in alder for modern metal? wb mm's or pk's?
cheers
alternative guitar suggestions appreciated
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The big differences are the finishes, and the fact that they've got USA Duncans, not Duncan designed.
Japanese Jacksons are supposed to be pretty decent.
A bolt on neck will sustain just as well as a set neck.
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are the finishes on the ltd (linked one) better quality? or just asthetically different?
seeing as ill replace the pups thats not a big deal to me...
n is that ltd japanese manufactures then? what about the standard rr3?
n ok cool,
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Well, sifu....that depends on the quality of the join. Jap jacksons tend to be pretty good though wood:wood interference fit on the vast majority. I have a DX1 that I've clocked out-sustaining an SG standard (measured note decay @ 12 fret, D string - SG, 5s to the knee of the curve (didnt think at the time to go for a set proportional reduction :(), jackson 8s).
Korean jacksons are another story! Avoid!
Those guitars will be made with the same batches of woods and assembled in the same machines. I wouldnt worry too much - the main variables are the pickups and the particular bits of wood that ended up in the guitar. You have as good a chance of a good instrument with the cheaper one, IMO (the pickups being irrelevent, since youre gonna change them)
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where will it tell me were the guitars manufactured...? they seem to withhold this info....... :x
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If you mean a specific factory, I dont know.
If you mean a country...it usually says on the guitar. If you havent played it in person, then might I suggest it'll be better in all possible ways if you find one (or more) and do so?
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By its price and that its a 'Proffesional' series - its MIJ, if thats what you meant.
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there are no korean jacksons... they're indonesian :P (which is the JS series) they're ok total beginners guitars, but you can do much uch better
i wouldnt buy an RR3 because of the bolt on thing. it works well on strats/superstrats, but on a V it sucks. but that's just me.. try it out, see if you like it
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Oh, they moved since I last checked, eh? Then I have no idea what the quality is like on the low end stuff - havent played a cheap jackson since it was korean.
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^ yeah, same here. on those pro series jacksons, it normally says where it's made on the back of the neck just above the neck heel.
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as owner of an RR3, as much as I love it, I wouldn't recommend one as they nose dive due to the strap button placement, on the neck through jackson Vs the strap button would normally be where the bolt on plate is on the RR3
I do love the neck on it though
the made in Japan sticker on mine is on the back of the neck next where it joins the body
the licensed floyd is useless but I got mine the year before they upgraded the floyds with harder steel, how much better the newer ones are, I've no idea, but they also changed all the hardware to black and put in proper seymour duncan pickups (I think these changes we're on the 2007 models)
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the new floyds are okay.. they still feel cheap though
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thanks alot for the responses guys.... i feel a trip to mansons comin on ;)......
you guys got much experiance with any of these models:
esp ltd ec-1000? (the lp shape one?)
esp ltd ex-401dx ?
esp ltd v-401? yes a few esp's here i like the look of them n ive heard some good stuff about them...
cort vx-4v?
schecter solo6, v1, or avenger?
alternatives...
cheers guys
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Well, sifu....that depends on the quality of the join.
That's true the other way though. A poorly fitted set neck with a ton of glue in it won't sustain well either. A bad join is a bad join, regardless of the type.
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All true. But "bolt on is as good" isnt a rule you can rely on because of the variation.
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A bad bolt on will be just as good as a bad set neck :roll:
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Yer backtracking. You can tell by how you arent saying the same thing as you were before, and yet are still being argumentative
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no offence but i get the picture now on the set vs bolt on neck now ;)
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no offence but i get the picture now on the set vs bolt on neck now ;)
Its really very simple
A good set neck is a good join. That would be wood:wood, minimal amount of glue.
A good bolt on is a good join. Wood to wood, tight (as in, in contact, has-to-be-pulled-out-of-the-heel-doesnt-just-fall-off) contact
A bad one of either is also bad.
And all points in between.
Not "one is as good as the other" or "one is as bad as the other" because in any given comparison between the two a set could be better, a bolt on could be better, they both could be equivelent and be cr@p or both equivelent and be good.
Shall I draw a picture. Cos I can and will illustrate this graphically.
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really theres no need MDV but if u want to for fun or others thats fine but i get it now thanks for ur input :)
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really theres no need MDV but if u want to for fun or others thats fine but i get it now thanks for ur input :)
Cool :)
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Yer backtracking. You can tell by how you arent saying the same thing as you were before, and yet are still being argumentative
No, I'm saying exactly the same thing :roll: Quality of construction is the important factor, not the method. You're the one who keeps trying to have the last word :P
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Righto.
Doesnt matter (that you dont seem to know what youre saying from one post to the next) - the guy with the questions got the right answers.
Since you bring up last words...feel free. My work here is done :)
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Have you been drinking?
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Now now ladies...
Anyway, i played a friends Japanese Jackson DK2M in white the other day, and it absolutely blew me away.
£370 for a very good quality Japanese made instrument, with good pickup's and a pretty good floyd rose? that plays really really well and sounds really really good?
(though i think the prices have increased)
it sounded better than any other guitar i'd ever played for metal, i couldn't beleive i was playing a guitar that shared similar specifications to a Strat! The low end, the meetyness... astounding. I know where my monies going if i ever want a 'budget' guitar again.
Ibanez are still chucking out Indonesian cr@p with rubbish pickups at that price! and don't get me started on the ESP's in that range... unless you enjoy agathis. Though they do at least play well, which is something i can't say about the low end Ibanez's i've experienced lately.
But anyway... rant over.
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Now now ladies...
Anyway, i played a friends Japanese Jackson DK2M in white the other day, and it absolutely blew me away.
£370 for a very good quality Japanese made instrument, with good pickup's and a pretty good floyd rose? that plays really really well and sounds really really good?
(though i think the prices have increased)
it sounded better than any other guitar i'd ever played for metal, i couldn't beleive i was playing a guitar that shared similar specifications to a Strat! The low end, the meetyness... astounding. I know where my monies going if i ever want a 'budget' guitar again.
Ibanez are still chucking out Indonesian cr@p with rubbish pickups at that price! and don't get me started on the ESP's in that range... unless you enjoy agathis. Though they do at least play well, which is something i can't say about the low end Ibanez's i've experienced lately.
But anyway... rant over.
Yeah, I've never played an MIJ jackson that wasnt a well put together insrument with high bang for buck. Ibanezes and especially LTD in the same price range just cant touch them. My DX1 (top end MIJ circa '98) is still one of my main 3 guitars - inferior to, but hanging with a custom shop dean and my legra.
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Now now ladies...
Anyway, i played a friends Japanese Jackson DK2M in white the other day, and it absolutely blew me away.
£370 for a very good quality Japanese made instrument, with good pickup's and a pretty good floyd rose? that plays really really well and sounds really really good?
(though i think the prices have increased)
it sounded better than any other guitar i'd ever played for metal, i couldn't beleive i was playing a guitar that shared similar specifications to a Strat! The low end, the meetyness... astounding. I know where my monies going if i ever want a 'budget' guitar again.
Ibanez are still chucking out Indonesian cr@p with rubbish pickups at that price! and don't get me started on the ESP's in that range... unless you enjoy agathis. Though they do at least play well, which is something i can't say about the low end Ibanez's i've experienced lately.
But anyway... rant over.
Yeah, I've never played an MIJ jackson that wasnt a well put together insrument with high bang for buck. Ibanezes and especially LTD in the same price range just cant touch them. My DX1 (top end MIJ circa '98) is still one of my main 3 guitars - inferior to, but hanging with a custom shop dean and my legra.
Awesome to have confirmation on their quality! I'd easily have bought my mates guitar off him right there and then and happily seen it next to my PRS Custom 24, the PRS is better for sure but the Jackson really pulls its weight. I'd definitely have one just for my heavier tones, and floyd fun.
The only thing i would have changed would have been the Floyd, we both agreed that we'd both be happy to pay the extra to not have the licensed one and to have a good proper one.
It's a shame that the first Jackson i picked up was a really nasty thing, with a HUGE U shaped boat like neck. I'm 6ft2 and have rather large hands and i couldn't stand it.
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I always meant to pimp my RR3, anyone got any ideas on how I might attach a strap button to the back of the bolt on plate? ie so it might be more balanced
I was thinking cut a hole in the plate and get someone to weld it on, I can't see solder holding it
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I always meant to pimp my RR3, anyone got any ideas on how I might attach a strap button to the back of the bolt on plate? ie so it might be more balanced
I was thinking cut a hole in the plate and get someone to weld it on, I can't see solder holding it
I may have dreamt it, but arent there strap-bolts? like, you replace one of the bolts with a bolt thats also a strap button... i'm sure i haven't dreamt this...
or maybe it was a replacment plate that had it.
Surely something like that exists...
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I always meant to pimp my RR3, anyone got any ideas on how I might attach a strap button to the back of the bolt on plate? ie so it might be more balanced
I was thinking cut a hole in the plate and get someone to weld it on, I can't see solder holding it
I may have dreamt it, but arent there strap-bolts? like, you replace one of the bolts with a bolt thats also a strap button... i'm sure i haven't dreamt this...
or maybe it was a replacment plate that had it.
Surely something like that exists...
Yes they do. There was one on my dean Z (until I moved the peg to where it bloody well should be - I hate strap pegs on heels, they get in the way)