rr3??

[the prince of shred]

ok ive bin thinking about getting a cheap v, jackosn or esp or similar...
i like the look of the rr3... particularly the limited pinstripe one... http://www.backalleymusic.co.uk/index1.html
but is it any good? (for metal and would replace pup's with bkp obviously.)
bolt on neck? this means less sustain?
how does that ltd one differ from the standard? all the funky finnishes seem to add 100 to the price tag !!! is the build quality any better?
n what pups would go good in this? c-pigs good in alder for modern metal? wb mm's or pk's?
cheers
alternative guitar suggestions appreciated

[Sifu Ben]

The big differences are the finishes, and the fact that they've got USA Duncans, not Duncan designed.
Japanese Jacksons are supposed to be pretty decent.
A bolt on neck will sustain just as well as a set neck.

[the prince of shred]

are the finishes on the ltd (linked one) better quality? or just asthetically different?
seeing as ill replace the pups thats not a big deal to me...
n is that ltd japanese manufactures then? what about the standard rr3?
n ok cool,

[MDV]

Well, sifu....that depends on the quality of the join. Jap jacksons tend to be pretty good though wood:wood interference fit on the vast majority. I have a DX1 that I've clocked out-sustaining an SG standard (measured note decay @ 12 fret, D string - SG, 5s to the knee of the curve (didnt think at the time to go for a set proportional reduction :(), jackson 8s).

Korean jacksons are another story! Avoid!

Those guitars will be made with the same batches of woods and assembled in the same machines. I wouldnt worry too much - the main variables are the pickups and the particular bits of wood that ended up in the guitar. You have as good a chance of a good instrument with the cheaper one, IMO (the pickups being irrelevent, since youre gonna change them)

[the prince of shred]

where will it tell me were the guitars manufactured...? they seem to withhold this info.......  :x

[MDV]

If you mean a specific factory, I dont know.

If you mean a country...it usually says on the guitar. If you havent played it in person, then might I suggest it'll be better in all possible ways if you find one (or more) and do so?

[MDV]

By its price and that its a 'Proffesional' series - its MIJ, if thats what you meant.

[Davey]

there are no korean jacksons... they're indonesian :P (which is the JS series) they're ok total beginners guitars, but you can do much uch better

i wouldnt buy an RR3 because of the bolt on thing. it works well on strats/superstrats, but on a  V it sucks. but that's just me.. try it out, see if you like it

[MDV]

Oh, they moved since I last checked, eh? Then I have no idea what the quality is like on the low end stuff - havent played a cheap jackson since it was korean.

[dave_mc]

^ yeah, same here. on those pro series jacksons, it normally says where it's made on the back of the neck just above the neck heel.

[JDC]

as owner of an RR3, as much as I love it, I wouldn't recommend one as they nose dive due to the strap button placement, on the neck through jackson Vs the strap button would normally be where the bolt on plate is on the RR3

I do love the neck on it though

the made in Japan sticker on mine is on the back of the neck next where it joins the body

the licensed floyd is useless but I got mine the year before they upgraded the floyds with harder steel, how much better the newer ones are, I've no idea, but they also changed all the hardware to black and put in proper seymour duncan pickups (I think these changes we're on the 2007 models)

[Davey]

the new floyds are okay.. they still feel cheap though

[the prince of shred]

thanks alot for the responses guys.... i feel a trip to mansons comin on ;)......

you guys got much experiance with any of these models:
esp ltd ec-1000? (the lp shape one?)
esp ltd ex-401dx ?
esp ltd v-401? yes a few esp's here i like the look of them n ive heard some good stuff about them...
cort vx-4v?
schecter solo6, v1, or avenger?

alternatives...

cheers guys

[Sifu Ben]

Well, sifu....that depends on the quality of the join.

That's true the other way though. A poorly fitted set neck with a ton of glue in it won't sustain well either. A bad join is a bad join, regardless of the type.

[MDV]

All true. But "bolt on is as good" isnt a rule you can rely on because of the variation.