Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Tech => Topic started by: m0jo on May 09, 2009, 11:25:27 PM
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Hi guys!
As I was looking at my Boss DD-20 I had an epiphany: the "time" pot is a pot with built in push-button (for fast scrolling), and I thought: that is the perfect guitar volume knob + killswitch!!! :D
Now I was wondering, does anyone know if these exist in analog form? (this is of course some kind of digital thingey)
Another idea: it might be possible to "sabotage" a push-push pot so that it doesn't latch in the down-position, effectively giving a momentary-push-pot.. :D
Edit: there's a switch in the pot, when you push down the knob ;) (my explanation is somewhat vague haha)
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It's gonna be a nightmare to search for such a pot, and then it will most likely be of minor quality, and you'd have to sacrifice the pure power of your BKPs for a bit of convenience.
I'd rather replace a tone pot with a kill switch.
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Yeah after some searching around: it doesn't exist .. not for guitar anyway, and indeed anything other would probably be of lower quality. :(
I'd rather replace a tone pot with a kill switch.
I know, I have a mini-switch in there now. I want it closer to hand though but I need my volume pot to I'm stuck.
It's in an Ibanez S470DXQM, 2 holes only, and I'm not drilling any more ;)
Aw well, it was a nice dream. Maybe someday it will catch on haha, it would be nice for all those one-pickup-one-knob guitars. :)
As for modding a push-push .. I think it would be possible, but it would require a large amount of luck to get it back together and working properly.. (and reliably). :(
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what about moving the volume pot to the tone pot position and putting a push momentary switch where the vol used to be?
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No because as I said I use my volume a lot ;) I want it within easy reach.
Plus it has priority over the killswitch, but having them intergrated would be a fabulous solution :D
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something like this then?
http://www.omeg.co.uk/msbroc.htm
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hmm yes but then with a proper potentiometer on it, what did you search for? "potentiometer momentary switch" ?
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yeah.
that place also does rotatry switches that have proper pots on them.
maybe if you call em up they could help you out? if they can fit some pots to rotary switches maybe they could do you a one of a kind switch? worth a shot
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That's a great idea actually, I hadn't looked at their other stuff yet ;)
I'll send them an e-mail in the morning, when I can spell properly again haha :lol:. (it's half past 1 over here in the Netherlands and i'm getting a bit sleepdrunk as we call it ;) )
Thanks for the great help! I'll report back about it, I can imagine other people thinking this is a good idea too. :D
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yeah,
maybe you can bring that up.
if they make it, and its an original product then people (guitarist) are going to be into it. they just need to market it hahaha. you'd be doing them a favour
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I want one!
you can get a kill switch in a pedal, but I don't think it would be easy to use in a musical way
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Hi guys!
As I was looking at my Boss DD-20 I had an epiphany: the "time" pot is a pot with built in push-button (for fast scrolling), and I thought: that is the perfect guitar volume knob + killswitch!!! :D
Now I was wondering, does anyone know if these exist in analog form? (this is of course some kind of digital thingey)
Another idea: it might be possible to "sabotage" a push-push pot so that it doesn't latch in the down-position, effectively giving a momentary-push-pot.. :D
Edit: there's a switch in the pot, when you push down the knob ;) (my explanation is somewhat vague haha)
You could give Legra Guitars a hollar and ask if they could make it for you, they deal with weird electronics all the time! http://www.legraguitars.co.uk (http://www.legraguitars.co.uk)
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fenders s1 switch is a push button on the volume knob, must be a way to wire that as a kill switch... you are stuck with fender knobs though
http://www.fender.com/products/s1/
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fenders s1 switch is a push button on the volume knob, must be a way to wire that as a kill switch... you are stuck with fender knobs though
http://www.fender.com/products/s1/
But I think it's still a push/push SWITCH rather than a button...
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fenders s1 switch is a push button on the volume knob, must be a way to wire that as a kill switch... you are stuck with fender knobs though
http://www.fender.com/products/s1/
But I think it's still a push/push SWITCH rather than a button...
Yes it is a push-push switch because it stays "down" after being pressed.
Plus no way in hell I'm going to put a strat knob on my Iba S :lol:
You could give Legra Guitars a hollar and ask if they could make it for you, they deal with weird electronics all the time! http://www.legraguitars.co.uk (http://www.legraguitars.co.uk)
Yes but actually constructing a potmeter?
I'm getting around to e-mailing OMEG about building me a potmeter in a minute.
If they are willing, are there any other takers? (seeing as how 10 will be considerably cheaper than 3:))
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fenders s1 switch is a push button on the volume knob, must be a way to wire that as a kill switch... you are stuck with fender knobs though
http://www.fender.com/products/s1/
But I think it's still a push/push SWITCH rather than a button...
Yes it is a push-push switch because it stays "down" after being pressed.
Plus no way in hell I'm going to put a strat knob on my Iba S :lol:
You could give Legra Guitars a hollar and ask if they could make it for you, they deal with weird electronics all the time! http://www.legraguitars.co.uk (http://www.legraguitars.co.uk)
Yes but actually constructing a potmeter?
I'm getting around to e-mailing OMEG about building me a potmeter in a minute.
If they are willing, are there any other takers? (seeing as how 10 will be considerably cheaper than 3:))
Dude, I don't work there, I can't answer for them, but they are a quality shop who deal in guitar electronics as well. Their main team consists of an electronic engineer and a mechanical engineer, which is why I recommend them for weird stuff like that.
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fenders s1 switch is a push button on the volume knob, must be a way to wire that as a kill switch... you are stuck with fender knobs though
http://www.fender.com/products/s1/
But I think it's still a push/push SWITCH rather than a button...
Yes it is a push-push switch because it stays "down" after being pressed.
Plus no way in hell I'm going to put a strat knob on my Iba S :lol:
You could give Legra Guitars a hollar and ask if they could make it for you, they deal with weird electronics all the time! http://www.legraguitars.co.uk (http://www.legraguitars.co.uk)
Yes but actually constructing a potmeter?
I'm getting around to e-mailing OMEG about building me a potmeter in a minute.
If they are willing, are there any other takers? (seeing as how 10 will be considerably cheaper than 3:))
Dude, I don't work there, I can't answer for them, but they are a quality shop who deal in guitar electronics as well. Their main team consists of an electronic engineer and a mechanical engineer, which is why I recommend them for weird stuff like that.
Sorry, I realise I sounded somewhat.. rude. I simply meant that weird electronics basically is wiring the components in a particular (weird) way, this is really about constructing a component so I didn't think they would be capable of doing that.
Depending on the reaction from Omeg I will give them a shout though. :D
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fenders s1 switch is a push button on the volume knob, must be a way to wire that as a kill switch... you are stuck with fender knobs though
http://www.fender.com/products/s1/
But I think it's still a push/push SWITCH rather than a button...
Yes it is a push-push switch because it stays "down" after being pressed.
Plus no way in hell I'm going to put a strat knob on my Iba S :lol:
You could give Legra Guitars a hollar and ask if they could make it for you, they deal with weird electronics all the time! http://www.legraguitars.co.uk (http://www.legraguitars.co.uk)
Yes but actually constructing a potmeter?
I'm getting around to e-mailing OMEG about building me a potmeter in a minute.
If they are willing, are there any other takers? (seeing as how 10 will be considerably cheaper than 3:))
Dude, I don't work there, I can't answer for them, but they are a quality shop who deal in guitar electronics as well. Their main team consists of an electronic engineer and a mechanical engineer, which is why I recommend them for weird stuff like that.
Sorry, I realise I sounded somewhat.. rude. I simply meant that weird electronics basically is wiring the components in a particular (weird) way, this is really about constructing a component so I didn't think they would be capable of doing that.
Depending on the reaction from Omeg I will give them a shout though. :D
erry my bad, I didn't mean to sound like an ass either, but yeah if your first source doesn't work they might have a decent shot
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erry my bad, I didn't mean to sound like an ass either, but yeah if your first source doesn't work they might have a decent shot
No problemo! :huge: I'm waiting for a reply ;)
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Today I read the Frankfurt review of current Guitarist, AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE MY EYES!!!!!
Page 74 - Shadow
"....Not neglecting electrics, there's a 500K log Kill Pot (approx. 20GBP) with push/push action for those machine-gun effects."
Ha! They thought of you before you did! And it's even a guitar stuff maker. So go, call Shadow, get one, and post clips and pics!!!
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Here is info, the part code will be SH-124:
http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewart.html?id=217&lang_id=1?lang_id=1
Now I am getting interested :O)
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Here is info, the part code will be SH-124:
http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewart.html?id=217&lang_id=1?lang_id=1
Now I am getting interested :O)
Wow that's great!! :D :D :D I don't really care who thought of it.. as long as it's there haha! :D
Thanks for the heads up!
Sorry I forgot to post back on the other source, but they could only make it with plastic surround and I'd need a convertor for the shaft etc etc.
So, I'll have to wait before I can get it around here in Holland. Shadow is based in Germany though so that shouldn't take that long :D But I do have to whine: the price, 20 GBP ?? That seems kind of high for just a pot+switch .. :(
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fender has metal push/push knobs as well. My friend has one on his tele to go out of phase.
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fender has metal push/push knobs as well. My friend has one on his tele to go out of phase.
Dude, this is a momentary switcher, what you talk about is a normal push/push pot that switches between two states permanently. This one only holds pos2 (kill) for as long as you touch it.
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I accidentally found this image via a google-search:
It doesn't look as I expected. But it does look like they engineered it differently than the fragile push-push switches :)
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I guess the 2 connections on the black baseplate are for the killswitch.
If you connect main out hot and ground here, you're done!
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My initial thoughts were to use a push/pull pot and put a spring under the knob to force it back upwards. That way you would just have to push it down to break the circuit and it would spring back automatically.
Not really thought about it much more than that though, but it may be worth a little experiment.
Hope it helps.
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My initial thoughts were to use a push/pull pot and put a spring under the knob to force it back upwards. That way you would just have to push it down to break the circuit and it would spring back automatically.
Not really thought about it much more than that though, but it may be worth a little experiment.
Hope it helps.
Well since Shadow is producing it, I'll just use that. I think putting a spring below a push-pull will make the knop too heavy to use fastly. But removing the latching mechanism of a push-push pot was my first thought.
I guess the 2 connections on the black baseplate are for the killswitch.
If you connect main out hot and ground here, you're done!
Yes that seems logical, from experience with push-pull and push-push pots I expected a DPDT switch.. of course a switch specially for killing would just have 2 poles, connecting and disconnecting them.
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Here some recent stuff related to the Shadow Kill Pot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=866__QJg9LQ
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Shadow make a killpot (SH124)
I am hoping to get some in stock soonish
Strangely enough I used to work for Shadow in 1989.......
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Shadow make a killpot (SH124)
I am hoping to get some in stock soonish
Strangely enough I used to work for Shadow in 1989.......
They are in stock at Thomann, 18€