Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: tomjackson on May 29, 2009, 12:26:56 PM
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I’m just wandering about eminence speakers, they seem very cheap for USA made speakers and just wandered what the general opinions of them were compared to Celestion and Jensen. Their range is bewildering but I’ve heard good things about the Wizard and Red Fang. Some say the Wizard is better than the Celestion G12H that it is based on, any thoughts?
I’m looking at replacing a Celestion Seventy80 to be used in a 1x12 open backed combo.
Black Powder £57
Red and White Blues £73
Lil Texas £68
The Governor £52
Red Fang £106
The Tonker £54
The Wizard £65
The Tonespotter £61
Prices from Thomann, does anywhere stock them in the UK?
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I'm a great fan - have tried a Red White and Blue - which is a clone of the old (Chicago made) Jensen C12N, the Wizard (which is in the tonal range of a Classic Lead) and the Texas Heat which has a greenbacky type tone but with some of the Jensen cut in it.
Here is a UK distrib - stock not as good as it used to be:
http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?browsemode=manufacturer&manufacturer=Eminence
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I'm using The Governors in a open backed 2x12, and i love them! I'd like to try out some of the higher powered Eminence speakers for putting into a couple of 1x12s at some point.
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Tom
I have a Wizard in my Peavey Classic 30 and it is excellent - really good speaker.
What impedence are you looking at? I have a brand new The Governor for sale - 16ohm. Project that never happened... We could maybe reach a deal....
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Thanks but I need an 8ohm model :(
What about the Cannabis Rex, has anybody ever tried it?
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thomann prices aren't as good as they used to be, what with the falling pound... :( and tube town's prices are similar...
i seem to remember reading on the musicradar forum that hartnoll guitars could get any of the eminence speakers into stock for you, but i have no idea what the prices would be, or how long the wait would be.
I haven't really tried very many eminences, i've just had a similar problem to you, actually finding somewhere which stocks them, as i've been recommended a texas heat for my VJ cab... :lol: I need it in 16 ohm impedance, which seems to be the problem.
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Well the Wizard seems to get great reviews but my only concern would be the cleans that nobody seems to mention when describing them.
Elliot, Mike, can you describe the Wizards a bit more?
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I have had the Governor, I currently still have the Black Powder, Cannabis Rex and - in my Krank 1x12" - a custom Legend.
Governor - similar to the V30, a bit more focused and more aggressive. Perfect for hardrock/metal.
Black Powder - bright, glassy, subdued mids and bass. Great for superclean sounds, chiming chords or low-tuned metal sounds.
Cannabis Rex - super round and fat sound, powerful lower mids and bass. Great if you want to tame an ice-pick heavy amp/setup.
I think the Governor is a speaker that would appeal to most people. If I wanted a very fat and big sound, I'd probably go for a 4x12" with two Cannabis and whatever more neutral speaker fits (Governor, Wizard, Texas Heat), if I was playing in a death metal band I would go for a 4x12" with two Black Powders and either two Governors or two Texas Heats.
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I have the V-12 Legends in a 4 x 12 poplar Krank cab, and the Swamp Thangs in a 2 x 12 poplar Krank cab.
Perfectly happy with them. :D
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I have no problems with cleans but bear in mind that my amp (Classic 30) has a pretty clean clean channel - not exactly a death metal amp!
I would agree with previous comments though - the Wizard is a very good classic rock speaker - when I got it I was toying between that and a Classic 30.
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have the eminence version of the evm 12L, so will only comment on quality, etc...really impressed/great customer service/great products-the factory is not too far away from me-know lots of players/know some guys who build cabs locally who use the speakers-all good stuff!
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I like the Governors on the Splawn cab, very nice!!
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Just found these clips of the Wizards:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwiA03pBuSI&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBCr3fk-qM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBBsRzB7XV8&feature=channel
They sound great, love the thick just breaking upo tone, gonna get me one......
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are there any eminence speakers that are similar to a g12k100?
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Ive just been on the eminence site and its got sound clips of every speaker; for distortion, clean and overdrive all playing the same pieces of music.
I found it really really helpful.
After blind testing every speaker (i.e. without looking to see which was which ) my top 4 were:
1 Wizard ( the cleans were really nice on this i thought really sparkling)
2 Cannibis Rex
3 Red White and Blue
4 Commonwealth
Why can't celestion do something simliar :?
I'm off to get some wizards
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And the supplementary question....
"Why are Celestions so popular v Eminence?"
:lol:
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And my Governor is still for sale!
:-)
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And the supplementary question....
"Why are Celestions so popular v Eminence?"
:lol:
I think it's partly a case of who stocks what, everywhere sells Celestion in the UK but only a couple of places sell Eminence and nowhere has a comprehensive stock of them.
I'm thinking of the Cannabis Rex now, it's only about £50 delivered and I cant as yet find a bad review. At that price I'll probably end up getting a Wizard also to swap around. in fact that got me thinking....
Could you have an extension cabinet and footswitch between the onboard speaker A and the cabinet Speaker B?
So for your clean sound have a Fender flavoured speaker then for OD switch to a more British flavour speaker with the same amp? I'm thinking perhaps you could wire it as such that if you change channel, the speaker changes also so you can go from sparkling cleans to chunky crunch aided by the speaker change, from US to Brit?
Just a though, but probably would just have them both on all the time....
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I have experience with the wizards and all I can say is well... balls to the wall man!
I had 2x V30 and 2x G12T-75 in my bogner uberkab and it had a nice sparkly cleans and overall tone but the od just didn't have the oomph I was looking for. So I swapped out the G12T-75's to Wizards and the difference was just insane. The cleans changed a bit, I think where it lost that supersparkly brittle high end it really gained some body and texture. Overall I'm more than happy with the outcome, big thumbs up for eminence from me!
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apart from Blue Aran and Thomann is there anywhere else to get Eminence stuff? i fancy trying out a Wizard now.
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tube town stock them. never used them, though.
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My first post!
I just bought a pair of Wizards the other day. It is definitely louder and brighter sounding than my two different Celestion speakers (Classic Lead, V30).
I haven't yet thrown them in a closed back 412. Experiences so far are with an open back 212.
Other Eminence speakers I have played through are Cannabis Rex, Texas Heat, Legend V12 and The Tonker.
Cannabis Rex to me is tonally quite far from the Wizard. CR is smoother overall and has a "jazzier" feel to it.
Ones I am not too fond of are Legend V12 and the Tonker. Not saying those are bad speakers. Maybe I just need to spend more time playing with them.
All of the Eminence speakers seem brighter and more balanced compared to Celestion speakers I have used.
V30's for example (in my opinion) have more responsive and detailed mid range than any of the Emi's.
My V30's are very well broken in though.
If you have any questions about any of the speakers I will be happy to answer :D
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I have experience with the wizards and all I can say is well... balls to the wall man!
I had 2x V30 and 2x G12T-75 in my bogner uberkab and it had a nice sparkly cleans and overall tone but the od just didn't have the oomph I was looking for. So I swapped out the G12T-75's to Wizards and the difference was just insane. The cleans changed a bit, I think where it lost that supersparkly brittle high end it really gained some body and texture. Overall I'm more than happy with the outcome, big thumbs up for eminence from me!
i have the V30's and G12T-75's in a fibre backed marshall cab. reckon its worth swapping the G12T's in mine for the wizards?
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i have the V30's and G12T-75's in a fibre backed marshall cab. reckon its worth swapping the G12T's in mine for the wizards?
Something to keep in mind is that the Wizards are a bit louder than V30's and T75's being not as loud. Many seem to think that Wizards mix up well with other speakers though.
While I personally cannot comment on how your cab would sound when swapping G12T75's for Wizards, I am about to install 2 Wizs into a 412 with 2 V30's later today. I'll try to record a sample to give an idea how the Wiz sounds with V30.
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nice one!
i'll check back later.
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My first post!
I just bought a pair of Wizards the other day. It is definitely louder and brighter sounding than my two different Celestion speakers (Classic Lead, V30).
I haven't yet thrown them in a closed back 412. Experiences so far are with an open back 212.
Other Eminence speakers I have played through are Cannabis Rex, Texas Heat, Legend V12 and The Tonker.
Cannabis Rex to me is tonally quite far from the Wizard. CR is smoother overall and has a "jazzier" feel to it.
Ones I am not too fond of are Legend V12 and the Tonker. Not saying those are bad speakers. Maybe I just need to spend more time playing with them.
All of the Eminence speakers seem brighter and more balanced compared to Celestion speakers I have used.
V30's for example (in my opinion) have more responsive and detailed mid range than any of the Emi's.
My V30's are very well broken in though.
If you have any questions about any of the speakers I will be happy to answer :D
Hi there mate, welcome to the forum....
So when you say the Wizards are bright, is the top end pleasing or harsh, I've always found V30's bright you see.
I'm thinking of a Wizrad in an open backed 1x12 combo but also thinking of the Cannabis rex. The Rex has been described as smooth and round so my current worry is that the Rex may noy have enough bite and grit whereas the Wizard might be too loud and gritty. I like a sound that can be sweet and clean to gritty and raw just by changing the pick attack, something nice and dynamic. Is the Rex very clean and precise?
I presume they would both be better than my Celestion seventy 80 though.....
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My first post!
I just bought a pair of Wizards the other day. It is definitely louder and brighter sounding than my two different Celestion speakers (Classic Lead, V30).
I haven't yet thrown them in a closed back 412. Experiences so far are with an open back 212.
Other Eminence speakers I have played through are Cannabis Rex, Texas Heat, Legend V12 and The Tonker.
Cannabis Rex to me is tonally quite far from the Wizard. CR is smoother overall and has a "jazzier" feel to it.
Ones I am not too fond of are Legend V12 and the Tonker. Not saying those are bad speakers. Maybe I just need to spend more time playing with them.
All of the Eminence speakers seem brighter and more balanced compared to Celestion speakers I have used.
V30's for example (in my opinion) have more responsive and detailed mid range than any of the Emi's.
My V30's are very well broken in though.
If you have any questions about any of the speakers I will be happy to answer :D
Hi there mate, welcome to the forum....
So when you say the Wizards are bright, is the top end pleasing or harsh, I've always found V30's bright you see.
I'm thinking of a Wizrad in an open backed 1x12 combo but also thinking of the Cannabis rex. The Rex has been described as smooth and round so my current worry is that the Rex may noy have enough bite and grit whereas the Wizard might be too loud and gritty. I like a sound that can be sweet and clean to gritty and raw just by changing the pick attack, something nice and dynamic. Is the Rex very clean and precise?
I presume they would both be better than my Celestion seventy 80 though.....
I think you might like the Tonespotter - it sounds a bit smoother than the Wizard but still has a great tone - it's supposed to be based on the G12-65 which is a classic sound. I have a pair in an open back Avatar cab and they sound good with lots of different amps.
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I had a Legend V12 in an old cab and it sounded way better with G12H30s in it, so from my very limited experience I'm much more partial to Celestions. Would like to give the Guvners a go though, and the Wizard maybe (isnt it just meant to be a higher powered G12H30?). I think there are a few places in the UK who stock em, last time I was looking I found them quite easily just through google. I think they were a bit cheaper than Celestions at the time, as well :)