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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: ailean on May 30, 2009, 05:12:52 PM
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I knew nothing about MIDI.
This afternoon Sue found a BOSS DR670 in our local Cash Converters for £90. Score 1.
We realised it had a midi connector, and then I remembered that my EMU 0404 has a midi port, hmmm... aquired a midi cable (the hardest part).
Spent 20 minutes, not knowing what the hell to do with any of the software, thinking Guitar Pro can't control a midi device, playing with CakeWalk, going back to GP to export a midi file, realising it can control a midi device and I had been looking in the wrong place (it's right there on screen the whole time, while I wasted my time in the menus), setting some guessed settings, and, we have drum and bass playing on the stereo.
Result!
I'm really impressed that a complete novice like me can get it making noises in 20 minutes.
The sound from the 670 is pretty good too.
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You can also get Guitar Pro to change the channels on your VH4 via MIDI, so you can play and have the channels change at the correct point in the song :)
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*L* used to love messing with my fcb1010..any of the things like amplitube, revalver etc and my pod..or for weirder had my fcb1010 as my bass pedals for my b4 vst
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Not bad for a protocol that has been invented in 1981, ay?
Is there ANY standard (other than normal channel switching) that is still in use and has been around for more than even 10 years?
I had tape data, floppys, streaming tape, RS232, SCSI, SCSIII stuff etc ... can you actually today still find SCSI disks to run in a K2000 for example?
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You can also get Guitar Pro to change the channels on your VH4 via MIDI, so you can play and have the channels change at the correct point in the song :)
How? :)
Not bad for a protocol that has been invented in 1981, ay?
Is there ANY standard (other than normal channel switching) that is still in use and has been around for more than even 10 years?
I had tape data, floppys, streaming tape, RS232, SCSI, SCSIII stuff etc ... can you actually today still find SCSI disks to run in a K2000 for example?
Yeah I'm pretty impressed I have to say, I'm sure it can get WAYYY complicated, but it's been very well thought out.
If anyone knows how to bulk download a track to the 670 memory from Guitar Pro, Sonar, or cakewalk please let me know!
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er does it have savable memory..if not just play via midi through the 670
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There is stuff in the manual about putting it in bulk receive / transmit mode, so I'm assuming so!
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mmm so prob need a prog inbetween..do they make one
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I'm reasonably sure Sonar LE or Cakewalk can do a bulk send, I just need to figure out how :) (I could be wrong, it happens a lot)
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Not bad for a protocol that has been invented in 1981, ay?
Is there ANY standard (other than normal channel switching) that is still in use and has been around for more than even 10 years?
I had tape data, floppys, streaming tape, RS232, SCSI, SCSIII stuff etc ... can you actually today still find SCSI disks to run in a K2000 for example?
That is SCARY ... precisely what I was thinking!
In terms of machine languages, MIDI is neaderathal, which is probably why guitarists will never let it go!! LOL PDT_008
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not up on them 2 and been a while using bulk send etc..sysx etc
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Not bad for a protocol that has been invented in 1981, ay?
Is there ANY standard (other than normal channel switching) that is still in use and has been around for more than even 10 years?
I had tape data, floppys, streaming tape, RS232, SCSI, SCSIII stuff etc ... can you actually today still find SCSI disks to run in a K2000 for example?
That is SCARY ... precisely what I was thinking!
In terms of machine languages, MIDI is neaderathal, which is probably why guitarists will never let it go!! LOL PDT_008
Well the major issue with MIDI is that it's a serial stream of data.
Means if you work with controllers and Sysex data while hitting a chord on a keyboard, it can come out as an arpeggio.
That's actually why people are still using analog sequencers, triggering sound generators with CV, because it's fast and tight. And I gotta admit, those Kraftwerk beats are really sharp and on the 12.
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You can also get Guitar Pro to change the channels on your VH4 via MIDI, so you can play and have the channels change at the correct point in the song :)
How? :)
Come on Oli, give a nice long explanation, I want to hear too.
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mmm so prob need a prog inbetween..do they make one
Great free MIDI utility here: http://www.midiox.com/
Useful for doing sysex dumps, etc. :)
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oh yeah used that with my fcb1010 thinkin about it..so he would have to save the bulk dump files in system exclusive format then send via this prog
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You can also get Guitar Pro to change the channels on your VH4 via MIDI, so you can play and have the channels change at the correct point in the song :)
How? :)
Come on Oli, give a nice long explanation, I want to hear too.
Well, if you take a look through a small tutorial i made on it a while back: http://oli.doom-metal.com/midipipe/ (http://oli.doom-metal.com/midipipe/). If you're not using a Mac, then you'll have to grab the MIXI-OX utility that Muttley posted. Basically, what we do is: Create an additional track in GP, to which you program in when you want the channel/patch changes to occur, and what the patch will change to. By putting the correct settings into GP, it will output that data through the MIDI interface, however.... GP only transmits Note changes, and almost all MIDI capable units use either CC (control change) or PC (program change) messages. That's where that other utility comes in, to perform a transformation, so that even though GP outputs the note message, what comes out of the interface is the CC or PC message.
It sounds more complicated than it is really! I've put up a sample file here (http://oli.doom-metal.com/midipipe/moonshield_ver2.gp5), so you can see what information has been written into the 'amp control' track. You'll see values for 2, 1 and 5 in there, and these correspond to the patches in my rig:
1 = Rhythm Distortion
2 = Clean w/chorus
5 = Lead
I'm not sure what the MIDI setup is with the VH4, but it shouldn't be anything too complicated (or too dissimilar to what i explain on the tutorial page).
It may take you a little bit of time to get it working, but once it is, it's very easy to continue (each new GP tab you want to play along to just needs that extra track, and the info for when to change).
If you get stuck, give us a shout, and i'll try and help :)
Oli
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A Scholar and a Gentleman!
Thanks Oli :)
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Once you get into this area it seems limitless. Look at this software and hardware controller from Native Instruments.
http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=kore2k5&L=1 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=kore2k5&L=1)
I've been drooling and dreaming over this. I've just got to get all my gear communicating or get a new PC or Mac.
PDT_009
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MIDIs great when it works, but it can be a massive headache when it doesn't
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yeah when two or 3 midi devices start interfering with each other
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I been using MIDI for a while and find that unless you've got good sounds like reason or good plugins and effects its really horrible.
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Ok, question for the crowd.
I'm using Guitar Pro to control the 670, however, the sounds are not as good as the in built drum sounds of the 670, how can I make GP play the instrument sets of the 670? Is it possible, or will GP always override the in built effects?
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Ok, question for the crowd.
I'm using Guitar Pro to control the 670, however, the sounds are not as good as the in built drum sounds of the 670, how can I make GP play the instrument sets of the 670? Is it possible, or will GP always override the in built effects?
Not too sure but I'm assuming your using this all through a DAW of some sort. Route audio back into your Soundcard via the audio outs of the external midi unit. On the patchmix program put a send to ASIO on the strip where the audio from your 670 is. You may have to put a compressor above the send and boost the signal up.