Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Dmoney on November 12, 2009, 07:08:07 PM
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I feel like trying some new speakers
got v30 - g12t-75 X pattern at the moment.
was reading up on jensen blackbirds, celestion golds, eminence cannabis rex and a few others.
i wan't something thats gonna be punchy but smooth and not too hard in the highs, with plenty of low end.
i didnt know if might be an idea to try mixing V30's and Celestion Golds.
or going for G12H's.
last night was too late to be trying to figure this out. i got all mixed with watt ratings and sensitivity
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i wan't something thats gonna be punchy but smooth and not too hard in the highs, with plenty of low end.
Celestion Classic Lead 80s are what you want, no question.
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I'd say G12K-100's. I found CL80's to have too much presence in their sound.
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i remembered the K-100 love on here from a while back. i looked at those. I didnt think to check out the classic lead 80 though.
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G12K-100s for me. G12K-100s for you.
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I'd say G12K-100's. I found CL80's to have too much presence in their sound.
I have two of each in my 4x12. It's insane, I love it :twisted:
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huge +1 for mixing k100s with V30s.
I also had V30s and t75s in X. I switched to k100s and it did pretty much what you want (not that much more low end, but its faster and more defined, more mids, generally much punchier, smoother top end)
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I love Golds, me :D
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i think im between golds and k100's.
K100's have an obvious cost benefit compared to the golds.
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torn between golds and k-100's....
V30 60W 100dB sensitivity
Gold 50W 100dB sens
K-100 100W 99dB sens
are all these speakers going to sound at the same volume with an identical source? given that their sensitivities match, or is there a relationship with power rating that ive forgotten?
the K-100 i imagine to be similar to a V30 but with a little more low and high end detail.
the Gold looks like it would give me more bass, but also a dollop of high end. maybe some detail in the mids? but would that work alongside the V30?
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You imagine wrong on the k100 Vs V30 mate.
Its got a tighter low end but not as much of it, much more midrange, and non-spikey high end in similar quantity and is much more open sounding. More detail, yeah, but the differences run deeper than that!
Pairing them up, for the thickness, attack and depth of bass of the V30, and the tightness, mids and clarity of the k100 is a force to be reconned with.
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maybe I should be looking to pair a K100 with my G12-65.
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maybe I should be looking to pair a K100 with my G12-65. Do you think they would be a bit dark in an already dark-ish amp ?
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Decided to go for the Classic Lead 80's.
had a word with celestion. Thats what they recommended for more bass and definition.
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Pairing them up, for the thickness, attack and depth of bass of the V30, and the tightness, mids and clarity of the k100 is a force to be reconned with.
worst pun ever. :lol:
is that combo any good for non-brootz?
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I think you would like Sidewinders, if you have the patience to wait for them to appear. The highs are a bit bright until broken in (a bit of a task itself) though.
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Pairing them up, for the thickness, attack and depth of bass of the V30, and the tightness, mids and clarity of the k100 is a force to be reconned with.
worst pun ever. :lol:
is that combo any good for non-brootz?
I imagine so. I dont play with all that much gain (theres a good chance its less than you! - on my pb channel 4 its about 3.5), and I very much like my cleans with it.
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thanks. is it a definite modern tone, though?
I think i just need about 5 different speaker cabinets. That'd work.
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Golds colour the tone a lot but in a good way. Very warm sounding from when I've heard Twinfan's
Just sooooo expensive
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celestion said they'd be too similar to V30's in a mixed 4x12 and that it wouldnt do me much good to use them. (golds i mean)
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well at least they aren't just trying to sell you the most expensive ones they have :)
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true.
i asked about the K-100's as well, and they just straight up CL80 with no question.
i can't find much on the internet about that mix. i THINK scott ian from anthrax might use it.
i can't wait to try it.
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Fane Alnico and a Vintage 30 work so well together, it's the only mix i've found to give 3D type tones, throughout the range of clean to distorted
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thanks. is it a definite modern tone, though?
I think i just need about 5 different speaker cabinets. That'd work.
Not, the k100s are good for modern metal, but dont sound modern in and of themselves imo
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celestion said they'd be too similar to V30's in a mixed 4x12 and that it wouldnt do me much good to use them. (golds i mean)
Complete and utter bollox. I've had V30s and Golds and they're not even close to sounding the same!
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celestion said they'd be too similar to V30's in a mixed 4x12 and that it wouldnt do me much good to use them. (golds i mean)
Complete and utter bollox. I've had V30s and Golds and they're not even close to sounding the same!
just saying what celestion said!
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Odd that they said that isn't it?
Seriously, they're not alike.
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it is.
i would have assumed a big difference between the alnico and ceramic magnets.
even the frequency curves for both speakers on the celestion site are different... very different.
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Not, the k100s are good for modern metal, but dont sound modern in and of themselves imo
ah, cool, thanks :)
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Cannabis Rex will give a very big smooth foundation. They're also quite clear, they don't add much distortion on their own. IMO they work best in combination with some more aggressive speaker; put two Cannabis at the bottom of your 4x12" and two more aggressive speakers in the top position and you should be very happy.
Or, for the ultimate metal cab, use two Eminence Black Powders in the top position and combine with something that cuts the mix well like 2 V30s in the bottom. Then blast away.
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OK I've got a question, I'm using a 4 x 12" with 2 V30's & 2 GT1275's from a MJW Bassman, but I think (as so do other people) that there's a little too much bass in there & want to lighten the bass a little but keep the nice lovely overall tone. I've been chatting with Frank about some M's, would this work with GT's?
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Neither 75s of V30s have a lot of bass, it'll be the cab and the amp giving you the low end.
I would keep the speakers and run the amp with the bass at zero.
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lighten the bass..didn't think the bass was a problem
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OK I've got a question, I'm using a 4 x 12" with 2 V30's & 2 GT1275's from a MJW Bassman, but I think (as so do other people) that there's a little too much bass in there & want to lighten the bass a little but keep the nice lovely overall tone. I've been chatting with Frank about some M's, would this work with GT's?
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The Eminence Black Powder is very tight on the low end. Replacing the 75s with two of those could work really well for you, especially if you're going for a metal tone.
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I think it is the bass that is the problem, bass is rolled to nearly off, but the bass & mid range are not very articulate. Would like to have the definition when I play. I mostly play rock, blues but every now & then play heavy rock is that helps
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Crunch more like..classic rock......think definition is more the prob than bass...also has been but not last time a bit harsh on the top end
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What cab are you using Horsehead?
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He's got a matamp 4x12 open back (modded to open back)
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That'll be the source of the 'extra' bass then. They're chunky cabs with tonnes of low end.
You're playing a bass amp through a bass cab ;)
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What pedal are you using Gary? I'm assuming you're not just cranking the amp to get a heavy rock sound? :?
(When you were buying the amp, we were looking mainly at the quality of the cleans, hence the 5F6. Clearly, there are better amps for heavy rock, but the Bassman should be a fine pedal platform for any genre.)
Your speaker pairing of G12T-75 and V30 immediately says "harsh top end except when well cranked" to me, and certainly not excessive bass, as has been said. Neither are my favourite speakers, and certainly not for blues/classic rock. The G12M would be better, especially in view of the slightly scooped Fendery amp.
If you are winding the amp up, turn the bass right down (to zero)as it seems you are doing, but note that if you're using 'buckers with a bassy pedal, this might not be enough. There are loads of mods you can do to the amp (as I think we talked about at the time), from cutting the bass a little, up to the point where it becomes a Marshall Plexi or 2204!
I'm afraid though that you can't have something for nothing. Those sweet, warm cleans, and bluesy breakup will suffer if you want a harder, tighter bottom end.
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I think 75s can be nice for heavy tones up close, but if you walk off stage into the public area, they seem to sound very fizzy.
I like combinations with G12H30s. Greenback/12H30 or V30/H30.
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Try the bassman with a 4x10 or 2x10 if you can. Best to try different cabs before you start swapping speakers.
Or you could try an eq pedal to cut some of the low / low mid.....
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Tone Tubby AlNiCo H1E cones.
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just finished night shifts, and its the first time ive been able to give my CL80 + V30 mix 4x12 an a blast.
only got to 2 on the avenger.
sounds real smooth up close, a bit more mid focussed if i stand a few meters away.
tried to back off the mids to make it sound a little less harsh, and i went to far and lost some definition.
turned it back up and its cool. they still need to get broken in a guess. but i like it so far.
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Eminence Tonespotter
all day everyday for your requirements young padawan, and trust me i've tried EVERY single Celestion and Eminence and Jensen over the years even the Pre-Rola celestions which cost me a fortune.
and the Eminence Tonespotter gives the nicest warm fat mids tone with plenty of mids and a great high without being piercing..