Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Jonny on November 17, 2009, 10:25:01 PM
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513 is gone.
Custom 22 is gone.
McCarty II is gone.
McCarty Korina is gone.
Modern Eagle is gone.
Singlecut 245 is gone.
Singlecut 250 is gone.
Standard Satin 22/24 is gone.
Sunburst 22 is gone.
Sunburst 24 is gone.
Swamp Ash Special is gone.
Custom 24 is still here.
Limited (100) Korina KL guitars.
A few Miras are still here.
A SPECIFIC McCarty Smokeburst.
Now I know some of those that are gone are alright to be gone, like the Sunburst, that's just a specific finish. And I guess the Custom 24 is still here which is good. I'd be $%&#ING pissed if it wasn't.
But still, they keep those KL series ones, which are only 100 produced. Miras. And a McCarty specified finish.
However. The 513. Custom 22. McCartys. Modern Eagle. Singlecut. Swamp Ash and its been a while but I am pissed at the Standard Satin discontinuation.
Someone explain to me.
I know they have started Acoustics and Amplifiers but WHY would you get rid of the.. BUILDING BLOCKS of the modern day for PRS (to me) like, it's like getting rid of the idea of the wheel and cars had rolls of cheese instead.
I'm probably being ignorant or something but someone help me out.
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The 513, Custom 22, McCartys, Modern Eagles and Singlecuts made practically all the money! And the Standard Satins..
bar-stewards.
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It is..... bewildering. But I suspect a lot of the 25th Anniversary models will end up becoming standard production models, so it'll bring the range "back to normal", at least to some extent.
I do think it's a bit out of order that they discontinued the Standard and now the Standard Satin. And I still can't quite believe they ditched all the CE models.
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Maybe those models just weren't selling?
Maybe PRS have been bought out or they have just bought Gibson??
Lots of upheavals in the marketplace lately
In some ways the company had become so big that maybe such growth couldn't be maintained in current economic circumstances and they have chosen to trim down rather than implode.
Maybe the CE models were taking some prestige away from the US product in players eyes - or it wasn't making economic sense
All guesses......
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Maybe the CE models were taking some prestige away from the US product in players eyes - or it wasn't making economic sense
why release the mira (and its variants), then? Not blaming you, it's not your fault PRS doesn't make sense :lol: , but personally i never thought a bolt-on neck was "inferior". Just different.
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I mentioned this in another thread.
PRS have realised they're competing against their own used models on the market. They've produced so many Custom 22s (for example) over the years that there are loads of used/old stock ones available to buy. They can't compete against them on price, especially the used ones, with a factory fresh guitar.
Solution?
Stop selling the stuff you can buy second hand, and build new stuff with new designs.
It's quite clever if you look at it that way......
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They are having to economise now that Twinfan has stopped buying them
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:lol:
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PRS have realised they're competing against their own used models on the market. They've produced so many Custom 22s (for example) over the years that there are loads of used/old stock ones available to buy. They can't compete against them on price, especially the used ones, with a factory fresh guitar.
Solution?
Stop selling the stuff you can buy second hand, and build new stuff with new designs.
It's quite clever if you look at it that way......
Maybe that is what they're thinking, who knows, but Fender haven't stopped making Strats and Gibson haven't stopped making Les Pauls (apart from 1960-68, before someone plays smartarse :P ).
There do seem to be a lot of nearly-new PRS guitars on the second-hand market, though. I don't think it's due to disappointment with quality, maybe people just have a crisis over spending so much money.
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I mentioned this in another thread.
PRS have realised they're competing against their own used models on the market. They've produced so many Custom 22s (for example) over the years that there are loads of used/old stock ones available to buy. They can't compete against them on price, especially the used ones, with a factory fresh guitar.
Solution?
Stop selling the stuff you can buy second hand, and build new stuff with new designs.
It's quite clever if you look at it that way......
good point.
though i'd substitute the word "cynical" or "cunning" for "clever". :D
I mean, if that's what the punters want, keep making them. Though granted maybe the punters want them second-hand. :lol:
They are having to economise now that Twinfan has stopped buying them
hahahahahahahahaa
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Why don't they just price them cheaper.. I don't see why they couldn't handle a little fall.
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Because then they wouldn't make as much MONEY! No one likes making less money than they previously did.
Money, the root of all stupidity and evil.
Paddy
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It's somewhat annoying, yes. Like how old was the 513? Now it's been discontinued and there's that 25th anniversary model. If you want a new 513 and can't find an old stock one, you'll have to buy that 25th ann. model. Which undoubtedly costs more..
-Zaned
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Maybe that is what they're thinking, who knows, but Fender haven't stopped making Strats and Gibson haven't stopped making Les Pauls (apart from 1960-68, before someone plays smartarse :P )
Fender and Gibson have a steady stream of buyers. Young kids today know who Slash or Jimi Hendrix are, and what guitar they played. There's always demand for a 'classic' electric guitar from the fans of the legends who played them.
PRS don't have that heritage to play on, so they can't just churn out Custom 22s forever.
They are having to economise now that Twinfan has stopped buying them
I've stopped buying them because their new range(s) don't interest me in the slightest. So they can't blame me, it's their fault ;)
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Maybe that is what they're thinking, who knows, but Fender haven't stopped making Strats and Gibson haven't stopped making Les Pauls (apart from 1960-68, before someone plays smartarse :P )
Fender and Gibson have a steady stream of buyers. Young kids today know who Slash or Jimi Hendrix are, and what guitar they played. There's always demand for a 'classic' electric guitar from the fans of the legends who played them.
PRS don't have that heritage to play on, so they can't just churn out Custom 22s forever.
They've got 25 years' heritage, which is a long way short of Fender and Gibson, but still isn't bad. It's true they don't have any iconic players associated with their instruments (except Carlos Santana).
But they've been extremely successful. Gibson felt threatened enough to launch that lawsuit over the Singlecut. I'm not convinced that there's a limitless stream of buyers for Fender/Gibson but demand for a CU22 has just peaked or dried up - yes, it's on a smaller scale, but there are always new customers out there.
I'm probably completely wrong, but I still think it's odd to celebrate your 25th Anniversary by dumping a lot of established models and issuing new ones. You'd think they'd be trading on their heritage rather than - seemingly - rejecting it. It smacks of desperation to me. I wonder if they've overstretched themselves by chasing the big boys and they're going to slip back down into the pool with the likes of Hamer, Music Man, Suhr and Anderson?
(I know I sound like John Laurie off Dad's Army going "We're all doomed". I'm a glass-half-empty man. :wink: )
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I think they like to give some models an air of exclusivity by announcing that they will not be continued or that they are only relatively limited. I remember the 'limeted stocks' of singlecuts that kept appearing in shops and the reviews that said they were discontinued even before the review came out.
If you know you can get one next year, what's the rush? It's all about marketing and getting you to make the purchase before it's too late.
I prefer companies to have a basic core range with the odd new model, PRS seem to be the other way round. You almost have to be well into PRS to actually understand their range.
Reminds me when I bought Star Wars on VHS, apparently it was the last time it would be available as the original film on VHS. Just after I'd bought it they brought out the digitally remastered one on VHS......
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Solution?
Stop selling the stuff you can buy second hand, and build new stuff with new designs.
It's quite clever if you look at it that way......
Gibson have been essentially reissuing the '59 for 35 years now I think, started in the mid 70s with the occasional mahogany neck w/ full size buckers, then the prehistorics, then custom shop, and more refinements, and they still haven't got it 'right'.
Clever: maybe
Annoying: Defo
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Reminds me when I bought Star Wars on VHS, apparently it was the last time it would be available as the original film on VHS. Just after I'd bought it they brought out the digitally remastered one on VHS......
LOL, i remember one time i was going to buy star wars, it must have been just before they rereleased the remastered version. I finally found one, behind the counter in somewhere cr@ppy like caroline music. I asked the price, and was told, "£50, because you can't get them any more"... :lol: I told the salesperson to her face that it was extortion, that i didn't want it that much and walked out. I got the next remastered version for much less not long later. :D
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Maybe that is what they're thinking, who knows, but Fender haven't stopped making Strats and Gibson haven't stopped making Les Pauls (apart from 1960-68, before someone plays smartarse :P ).
I'm pretty sure that the CS stuff, particularly relics and limited runs, is where Fender makes a large amount of it's money. I could be wrong (believe it or not I haven't seen their balance sheet!) but can see the logic in offering the same model but with different specs/finishes to keep it selling (to people like me!)
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Maybe that is what they're thinking, who knows, but Fender haven't stopped making Strats and Gibson haven't stopped making Les Pauls (apart from 1960-68, before someone plays smartarse :P ).
I'm pretty sure that the CS stuff, particularly relics and limited runs, is where Fender makes a large amount of it's money.
I wouldn't have thought so. We probably sell 50+ US std strats and teles for every one CS model.
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Yep, they'll possibly make more per unit on CS stuff but they'll sell many more production line models and that'll be what keeps the company ticking over....
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Apparently they have just decided to stop making blue ones...
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I wouldn't have thought so. We probably sell 50+ US std strats and teles for every one CS model.
Yep, they'll possibly make more per unit on CS stuff but they'll sell many more production line models and that'll be what keeps the company ticking over....
Well, that told me didn't it :)
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I prefer companies to have a basic core range with the odd new model, PRS seem to be the other way round. You almost have to be well into PRS to actually understand their range.
the PRS range makes absolutely no sense to me what so ever, I just had a look again, not a clue! all I see is different pickup combinations
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Apparently they have just decided to stop making blue ones...
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I wouldn't have thought so. We probably sell 50+ US std strats and teles for every one CS model.
Yep, they'll possibly make more per unit on CS stuff but they'll sell many more production line models and that'll be what keeps the company ticking over....
Well, that told me didn't it :)
Yeah - loser... :wink: shouldn't you be sterilising bottles or something? :lol:
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I wouldn't have thought so. We probably sell 50+ US std strats and teles for every one CS model.
Yep, they'll possibly make more per unit on CS stuff but they'll sell many more production line models and that'll be what keeps the company ticking over....
Well, that told me didn't it :)
Yeah - loser... :wink: shouldn't you be sterilising bottles or something? :lol:
Maybe. Jane does understand that guitar forums are very important!
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I prefer companies to have a basic core range with the odd new model, PRS seem to be the other way round. You almost have to be well into PRS to actually understand their range.
the PRS range makes absolutely no sense to me what so ever, I just had a look again, not a clue! all I see is different pickup combinations
And they introduce models called the "Sunburst" and "Smokeburst", which turn out to be basically just existing models in new colours.
It's like every single variation leads to a separate model. As Tom said, you have to be quite well into PRS to actually understand their range - a casual look at the website is totally confusing. And next time you look they'll have changed the range again!
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Yep - they're losing the plot Phil.
The thing that gets me is the Ted McCarty singlecut model. 245 scale, nitro, neck binding, symmetric headstock. Les Paul copy anyone?
All the stupid limited runs of cr@p too.
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The thing that gets me is the Ted McCarty singlecut model. 245 scale, nitro, neck binding, symmetric headstock. Les Paul copy anyone?
Absolutely. A Les Paul copy, and it's adding nothing which hasn't been available in earlier models, except cosmetic details - which is pure Gibson behaviour!! :lol:
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The thing that gets me is the Ted McCarty singlecut model. 245 scale, nitro, neck binding, symmetric headstock. Les Paul copy anyone?
Absolutely. A Les Paul copy, and it's adding nothing which hasn't been available in earlier models, except cosmetic details - which is pure Gibson behaviour!! :lol:
I think that's the point!
It's not a guitar, it's a two-finger response to Gibson's stupid law suit. They deliberately LP'd up the Singlecut to show Gibson what they could have done, had they wanted to make a Les paul copy. I shouldn't think they care if they don't sell any, they're just making a point. :)
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I really don't think it's that. They could've done that a couple of years ago, after winning the lawsuit, if they'd wanted to.
But since then they've actually discontinued the Singlecut, Singlecut Trem, SC 245 and SC 250. The only Singlecuts left are some SEs, a few signature and 25th Anniversary models and this silly Ted McCarty effort.
I'm doing the "we're all doomed" thing again, but I strongly suspect they're not in a position to "not care" if a model sells.
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I'm confused as to why PRS feel the need to try to branch out into acoustics and amps. Very odd - I would have thought that to do this succesfully they would have to spend a lot of money upfront and will also be in competition with well established specialists in those products.
I've owned a PRS - nice guitar but too shiny for me! I'm sticking to Fender.
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I gues now's not the time to tell you all that they're going to branch into pedals???? :lol:
Seriously though, they are.
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I really don't think it's that. They could've done that a couple of years ago, after winning the lawsuit, if they'd wanted to.
I'm doing the "we're all doomed" thing again, but I strongly suspect they're not in a position to "not care" if a model sells.
There's no real reason to produce a guitar so clearly influenced by Gibson's heritage, other than to take a few sales from disgruntled Gibson-ites, and to make a point. If there's a better explanation, I don't see it. It's not as if they're demonstating impeccable logic elsewhere! :lol:
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Maybe they should start making basses.
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I'd like to see a PRS Jukebox :? :lol:
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I'd like to see a PRS Performing Right Society.
I'm also hoping they'll get bought out by CBS so I can brag about having a "Pre-CBS PRS". It's got a nice ring to it.
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Maybe they should start making basses.
They made some a few years back, late 80s I think?
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Maybe they should start making basses.
They made some a few years back, late 80s I think?
If I remember right, the 513 pickups started out as leftover bass pickups!
They still make the Gary Grainger signature bass:
http://www.prsguitars.com/grainger/index.html (http://www.prsguitars.com/grainger/index.html)
Although it may have been discontinued while I was typing....
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I gues now's not the time to tell you all that they're going to branch into pedals???? :lol:
Seriously though, they are.
Unbelievable. Whatever next :?
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I'm confused as to why PRS feel the need to try to branch out into acoustics and amps.
i think its just GAS on a massive level. from the brief time i spent talking to paul it was obvious he was still very much guitar obsessed like the rest of us - and not just with his own stuff
you wouldnt have to spend long talking to someone like him about acoustics, amps or pedals before he started to spec his own design... i bet he has considered doing a range of these things many times over the years. research to finally do them will have started before the current economic climate when PRS were in a stronger position.... probably put a lot of money into it too - now it really needs to pay for itself.
i quite like some of the new PRS range and i reckon a constantly changing catalogue keeps an air of exclusivity to each model which owners will get a buzz off but buyers might not.
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I reckon there's some on here that would look good in a nice tailored PRS suit. Charcoal grey, a modest pinstripe maybe...
Perhaps they'd need to do them in blue as well - Dave, single or double-breasted?*
A nice dark grey double-breasted (double vent), silk lining, two pairs of trousers - that would do me.
*Just realised, you'd probably want it made of rosewood - flamed maple front, rosewood trousers, bit of a challenge sitting down mebbe :lol:
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What kind of tie though? The old birds, or the new outline version..
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Old birds, every time.
But not in an Afghan Dave way :o ;)
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:lol:
hows about some real fretwire tie clips to go with it
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Old birds, every time.
But not in an Afghan Dave way :o ;)
It nearly the Christmas party season, so I'll probably end up stuffing some dry old bird sooner rather than later.. :? :P
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Old birds, every time.
But not in an Afghan Dave way :o ;)
It nearly the Christmas party season, so I'll probably end up stuffing some dry old bird sooner rather than later.. :? :P
Better than nothing, I suppose. I might have to settle for the veggie option. :|
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i think its just GAS on a massive level. from the brief time i spent talking to paul it was obvious he was still very much guitar obsessed like the rest of us - and not just with his own stuff
Same can be said about the Japanese dude who owns ESP.
He has one of the largest Burst collections known To Mankind.
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As someone who is looking to buy a PRS (if I can flog some stuff) I do find it confusing to work out which one I actually want - I prefer shorter scale guitars as I have smallish hands, and I am not sure that I need a trem - which points to the SC245 but that is basically a Les Paul and I have one of those...
Err umm. Let's widen it a bit.
Santana model - can't afford one of those
McCarty - I like these but longer scale length
Custom 22 - Is this just a McCarty with a trem (well more or less...)
Guitarist in our band has just bought a Singlecut - satin with trem - lovely guitar - but, as I pointed it to him, rather makes his nice, new shiny Les Paul a bit redundant....
It is all too confusing - time to go and 'reflect....'
:P
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McCarty - I like these but longer scale length
Custom 22 - Is this just a McCarty with a trem (well more or less...)
It's more like the McCarty is a "vintage" version of the Custom 22 - it has a slightly thicker body, thinner headstock, vintage style tuners and some other arcane details which I forget / can't be bothered to look up.
The CU22 comes (or came) hardtail or with a trem, and with a choice of neck shape.
As for the scale length, it's only 25", a full half inch less than Fender. I wouldn't worry about it too much unless you're very particular.
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The Mira X is shorter scale, as is is the Ted Soapbar and the Starla......
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Guitarist in our band has just bought a Singlecut - satin with trem - lovely guitar - but, as I pointed it to him, rather makes his nice, new shiny Les Paul a bit redundant....
It is all too confusing - time to go and 'reflect....'
:P
Not entirely true - the singlecut trem has quite a different sound to the sc245 and definately a different vibe. Its more like a custom 22 with more bass to it...
I am assuming that they will produce these anniversary models for a bit then it will be back to business as usual?
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The Mira X is shorter scale, as is is the Ted Soapbar and the Starla......
The Mira X is one of the few PRS models I've seen get a less-than-gushing review in a guitar magazine. I quite like the look of it myself.
There's also the 25th Anniversary Mira 245 Soapbar, which looks pretty funky. Shame it's not available with a wide-fat, since it's a 22-fretter. :(
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You see what I mean?
Clear as mud!
Now why didn't I buy Dave's McCarty...???
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I've picked up a couple of Mira Xs - they're SOOOOOOO light! :o
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I've picked up a couple of Mira Xs - they're SOOOOOOO light! :o
Now that's not "picked up" as in "bought", is it? :wink:
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Bet it looks like this one
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/lucky_luke61/MiraX.jpg)
Mike
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Nope - not bought, just held in my hands!
Great guitar for the money, just not my thing any more.
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The Mira X is shorter scale, as is is the Ted Soapbar and the Starla......
I find the Starla ugly to look at - don't mind the Mira
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I hated the look of the Starla at first, but I must admit it's growing on me. I still think the scratchplate's ugly.
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Coming late to this I know, but anyway...
I don't get what PRS is up to at all, although I think there may well be some truth in the argument that they're competing against their own stuff on the secondhand market. What I do know is that I wanted an SC250 at some point (but can't afford one now), and thanks to this daft scheme that's not going to happen. Nothing in the new range appeals to me at all. Still, at least they didn't junk the Custom 24 - the other PRS I want!
The other thing I don't get is why the 25th anniversary models have bound-edged fretboards. I don't like binding on the neck, and the fact PRSs didn't have it was one of the main factors that convinced me to buy my SC245 over a Gibson LP. I'm just bloody glad I bought it when I did.
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I'm just bloody glad I bought it when I did.
Exactly the way I feel about my Modern Eagle and Korina McCarty. Maybe that's what PRS are going for - new customers all the time. Change the range, get new buyers.
If they pull it off, it's a great way to do business...
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I'm just bloody glad I bought it when I did.
Exactly the way I feel about my Modern Eagle and Korina McCarty. Maybe that's what PRS are going for - new customers all the time. Change the range, get new buyers.
If they pull it off, it's a great way to do business...
But if they take all the previous products that just like ignoring all the existing customers, wiping the slate clean and starting afresh. That, to me, would give bad rep.
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I'm just bloody glad I bought it when I did.
Exactly the way I feel about my Modern Eagle and Korina McCarty. Maybe that's what PRS are going for - new customers all the time. Change the range, get new buyers.
If they pull it off, it's a great way to do business...
But if they take all the previous products that just like ignoring all the existing customers, wiping the slate clean and starting afresh. That, to me, would give bad rep.
And how long can you keep coming up with "new" ideas? They're just fiddling with cosmetic details, exactly like Gibson. What next, a PRS with a Floyd Rose or "robot" tuners?
The danger with constantly looking for new customers/markets is one day you're not going to find them.
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The danger with constantly looking for new customers/markets is one day you're not going to find them.
Indeed. There's a fine balance in getting new customers and repeat customers. Gibson, imo, are going the wrong way about it and PRS could be - obviously they are not there yet.
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The danger with constantly looking for new customers/markets is one day you're not going to find them.
Indeed. There's a fine balance in getting new customers and repeat customers. Gibson, imo, are going the wrong way about it and PRS could be - obviously they are not there yet.
I don't know, the Custom shop offers (almost) historic specs, then there is the standard Nashville factory for the 'innovations'
Completely excluding QC, I think they have got a fair spread of ideas
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What next, a PRS with a Floyd Rose?
Already there Phil.
The PRS SE Torerro, to be released in the very near future. Floyd and EMGs:
(http://www.themadape.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PRS-TORERO-SE-2.jpg)
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The PRS SE Torerro, to be released in the very near future. Floyd and EMGs:
:o
A PRS without fretboard markers looks wrong to me. And I don't like FRs and EMGs either!
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Its not a PRS looking guitar anymore. Hiding the headstock you wouldn't know it was a PRS.
What a piece of depressing shite.
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What next, a PRS with a Floyd Rose?
Already there Phil.
The PRS SE Torerro, to be released in the very near future. Floyd and EMGs:
Oh my stars :roll: . Not that it looks awful, it's just so utterly generic. And the name.... the PRS Bullfighter. :|
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What next, a PRS with a Floyd Rose?
Already there Phil.
The PRS SE Torerro, to be released in the very near future. Floyd and EMGs:
Oh my stars :roll: . Not that it looks awful, it's just so utterly generic. And the name.... the PRS Bullfighter. :|
PRS Bullsh*t more like
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i think this SE is pretty nice - and one of the first to use solid korina in this price range
http://www.prsguitars.com/sesinglecutkorina/index.html
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I hadn't really looked at the new SE models - that is pretty nice. I felt a faint stirring of GAS.
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I like the Korina SE, plus the Tremonti in Natural looks good too!
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I like the look of the SE Korina. GAS? Perhaps :)
Also, there's going to be a PRS amp review in the next edition of guitarist. Any guesses on what rating it will get? I'd be surprised if they give it less than 4 stars.
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They're WAAAAAY too expensive, but I'd be interested to hear what they think of the tone.
The clips I've heard of them sound great, but they're usually being played by superb players (Hiland, Grissom etc)
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I'd heard about the Toreno, but hadn't seen a pic until now.
Don't like it much if I'm honest, but worse than that I can't really see the point in it - there are plenty of reasonably-priced EMG-loaded, Floyd-equipped rock guitars out there from the likes of Jackson, ESP, Ibanez and Schecter (to name but a few), so I can't see how PRS is going to be able to swoop in and clean up a big portion of the market. Unless, of course, they get a major name to endorse it.
Even so, can't see it being a big winner. Weirdly, it also looks a lot like my old ESP:
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q50/sld5150/ESPSMALL.jpg)
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Already there Phil.
The PRS SE Torerro, to be released in the very near future. Floyd and EMGs:
(http://www.themadape.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PRS-TORERO-SE-2.jpg)
ooh, that's horrible. it's falling between two stools, imo, it's not pointy/sleek enough for the shredders, and won't be classy enough for the PRS guys.
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ooh, that's horrible. it's falling between two stools,
Visual comedy folks...
(http://www.waikiki-islanders.com/assets/round-turd-big.jpg)
(http://www.themadape.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PRS-TORERO-SE-2.jpg)
(http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/uploads/monthly_09_2009/post-325-12528058822868.jpg)
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ooh, that's horrible. it's falling between two stools,
Visual comedy folks...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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ooh, that's horrible. it's falling between two stools,
Visual comedy folks...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I love you Dave. In a totally manly way.
(it's not gay unless we cuddle afterwards)
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it's not gay unless we cuddle afterwards
Unless you cuddle after what exactly?
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it's not gay unless we cuddle afterwards
Unless you cuddle after what exactly?
Nothing. Nothing at all. Honest.
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i like the korina SE too, but rather annoyed to see they've discontinued the SE One. what is that hideous Santana SE One in aid of?! i certainly hope they've only discontinued the swamp ash special for the 25th anniversary year.
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Visual comedy folks...
oh man... :lol:
i actually like the look of the korina se, mainly because it might actually mean i'll finally get to try a korina guitar. Been meaning to try one for ages and have never seen any. :lol:
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They're WAAAAAY too expensive, but I'd be interested to hear what they think of the tone.
The clips I've heard of them sound great, but they're usually being played by superb players (Hiland, Grissom etc)
They've just taken stock of some in Guitarvillage. Veeeeery expensive. £3499 for a 1 x 12, £3099-£3299 for head and £749 for a speaker cab!
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Ouch!!!!!!!!
That's a ridiculous price.
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PRS overpriced in europe? whatever next?
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I've just had another look on the website and it seems theyve discontinued all the standard models (apart from the disgusting starla) that have a Wide Fat neck. As only the new ted mcarty and 25th anni models have wide fat necks and they are all bound. so with a bit of luck when the 25th anni models are finished being mad they will start doing the sc an cu22 again.
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They're WAAAAAY too expensive, but I'd be interested to hear what they think of the tone.
The clips I've heard of them sound great, but they're usually being played by superb players (Hiland, Grissom etc)
A good enough player can make about anything sound pretty good.
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Exactly!
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I liked PRS cause they were prestige and if you wanted the guitar, which you know would be good, you'd have to deidcate some good hard work/cash for it. And you'd be like "Ah, FINALLY, a PRS"
Like getting a supercar or something really expensive.
But now they're just stupidly expensive. They've hit the no-no on the demand curve. Or I'd hope so, this world isn't that retarded I don't think.
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I know this is an ancient topic now but I was searching for threads on PRS and this caught my eye. I can see that the SE Torero may seem really odd to PRS fans and I can see why you hate it but surely the point is that it gives them something new to sell. I've always admired PRS as a quality guitar but I've never wanted to buy one because they didn't have a locking trem, there was no neck-thru and the neck was too thick. Now that it's transpired that I may actually be better off with a thicker neck the PRS has come into play and the SE Torero is a serious possibility for me. Admitedly, I'm not struck on active EMG pups and I really don't like the idea of no fret markers but other than that it looks ideal to me.