Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Twinfan on February 25, 2010, 01:56:19 PM
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Coda Music added a neck-broken-but-repaired '62 SG Standard to their website last night, and I've snagged it this morning. £1350 posted, with an Epiphone hard case, and I have the weekend to approve it. I can return it for a full refund (minus the shipping) if I'm not happy with it.
It's been stripped of most, if not all, original parts and it needs a re-fret. However, I have a set of Throbak PAF replica pickups knocking about, plus some correct knobs/paper-in-oil caps/dial pointers, so it'll just need 4 new CTS pots (£15ish) and a re-fret by my local guy (£100ish).
£1500, used Custom Shop money, and I've got a '62 SG for YC/DC gigs. Fingers crossed!
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/junkacct/sh62sg.jpg)
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Congrats Dave, let's hope it's a goodie and not suffering too badly from those neck breaks! :wink:
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Why buy a cr@ppy old one, all beat-to-sh1t and back, when you can get nice new relic? :lol: :roll:
Yep, congratulations - hope it turns out alright. Even without it's original parts, and the break, I can't help wondering how it's so cheap (not that I know much about prices for these things) - but with the time for approval, I don't see how you can go wrong ...
Make sure you're absolutely ruthless when evaluating though, if it was me, I'd get sucked into "oh wow, I own a guitar made in 62!!" :lol:
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Nice one Dave. :D
That guitar wonderfully embodies the saucy look / very essence of the S.G. -and you were able to buy it with the loose change from 'Francine' . Double win ! :D
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sweet, welcome to vintage Gibson land! :) although yours is both older and cheaper than mine :(
hope it's a good one
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sweet :D
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so finally returned to an SG
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It's for 'DC gigs mate - I wouldn't have bought it otherwise. I'm fine gigging with the Epi tone-wise, but wanted something that felt better. That's why I was looking for a CS model.
Let's see how good this old one is.....
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ahh thought the epi had gone for some reason...love sg's..suprised I only own one
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Cool.
Will have a certain MOJO if you can get it to play well.
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My thoughts exactly. That's the big question.....
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I'd have concerns at that neck repair when the cat who's done it has done that shoddy a cover up. Unless that was to keep costs down or by choice.
Still, at that money, it's certainly worth a punt and you're never gonna lose cash on it.
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That guitar is badass.
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nice score, bet it plays great.
the neck repair isn't a big deal - I had a Firebird with a headstock repair that played great and held tuning fine.
I would get the repair checked out and a nice refinish - those Throbaks are supposed to be NICE.
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They are - they're currently sitting in my Korina McCarty.
I'm taking the SG over to Martin's at the weekend as he's much more clued up on woodwork than I am. Re-wiring it isn't an issue for me, but neck repairs are! :lol:
Not sure if I'll bother with the neck re-fin. If it's happy as it is I'll leave it alone!
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If the neck has been repaired properly then it should be stronger than it was originally. With SGs I'd be more worried about the other end of the neck, especially as I'm a heavy handed bugger.
Nice catch though. It has character! ;)
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Congrats mate looks a nice find and great for your cover band.
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Funny you should mention that Shobet, it may have had a lesser repair at the base of the neck too.
As long as it plays well, I don't care at that price!
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If it's a '62 then that makes it a Les Paul SG doesn't it?
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Well done... :)
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If it's a '62 then that makes it a Les Paul SG doesn't it?
indeed, but its transition period. no 'les paul' on headstock after 61, no 'SG' label till 63. most 61-63's would have still had a 'les paul' plate between fretboard and pickpup when they left the factory
if the neck repair is old and solid who cares!! worse things have been done to these things to keep them working, a rather subtle black burst around the headstock wouldnt bother me if its old but i wouldnt expect people to do it that way now. repair techniques, and perhaps more importantly, shared knowledge on repair techniques has come a long way.
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Yep, I think it could have been done better if it was done yesterday, but according to Coda the repair lacquer is covered in checking so it's an old repair. A good sign, if it's lasted this long it must be solid?
Looking forward to checking it out tomorrow.
And I only realised earlier that if the fingerboard is original (very likely) then it's Brazilian Rosewood......
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If it breaks - just get it fixed again but properly the 2nd time
I know a gypsy that does excellent headstock and gun stock repairs if you need some added mojo.... but that's a story for another day :)
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Looks sweet, you might have a serious bargain in your hands 8)
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It will indeed be Brazilian rosewood, and the neck and body will be Honduran mahogany.
The body looks to have had some overspray too, but I wouldn't be too worried about that.
All the pre-64/65 Gibsons I've played have generally had great necks (Gibson went to a slimmer neck in 64/65), and SGs from that era are killer.
Vintage guitar prices have been a bit wobbly over the last year or so.
There are now a lot of guitars coming out of the woodwork, especially guitars with issues like this one, which would be of no interest to a collector, but obviously of considerable interest to a player!!
The price looks good, I'll be interested to see what you think about it.
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Good stuff Dave - looking forward to a vid and some more pics (if you decide to keep it of course)
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The body looks to have had some overspray too, but I wouldn't be too worried about that.
Do you think so? Where? Given the lacquer checking, it must be a old spray job.
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Well snagged my good man. Be sure to play the arse off it.
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That's the plan mate, that's the plan!
I couldn't pass this up in favour of a new CS model. Proof is the playing though, so we'll see....
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I was pretty sceptical about a '62 SG at this price, but I confess I 'm starting to get swept up in the general state of euphoria....! :lol:
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:lol:
Well, we'll see how it plays first. The break was behind the nut, so it shouldn't play any worse than it did when new. In theory....
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Ha ha... nice one Dave, I think it's going to be great! That wood should shake like Shakira's ass... lovely. Congrats, looking forward to your thoughts and clips. Hope it's the one! 8)
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Dave, as you have probably noticed from my previous posts I'm a bit of an expert at renovating 60s SGs and am therefore offering my services - a dab of Araldite and a couple of bolts through the neck joint and slap on a coat or two of Woolworths polyurethane paint ... job done. PDT_005
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Nice guitar, I like the look of the black burst around the headstock.
Is £100 a usual kind of pricing for a bound neck re-fret?
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£140 give or take £20 seems to be the going rate up North
I would imagine Twinfan knows his local tech pretty well by now and qualifies for a discount.
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Looks good Dave :)
I'm really loving SGs, each time I go back to one of my LPs it feels horribly clunky and awkward :o
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Well it's arrived, and the neck repairs aren't as bad as they were made out to be :D
Definitely needs a re-fret, but it looks cool and fells nice and zingy. Will check it out properly at home later.
I may just have scored a bargain here.....
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Well it's arrived, and the neck repairs aren't as bad as they were made out to be :D
What, an honest retailer, in this day and age?!
We need proper pics, and soon. :P
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does this mean your epi's going up for sale then?
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The body looks to have had some overspray too, but I wouldn't be too worried about that.
Do you think so? Where? Given the lacquer checking, it must be a old spray job.
Gibsons from that era are often oversprayed with a clear laquer.
Could be fine, but the finish in the photos looks a bit "shiny" although this could be how the photos have been taken.
If I was buying a "straight" guitar, I would want to blacklight it, be for the money you've paid for it I wouldn't be bother about any overspray.
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Nah, I'm not bothered about anything with it.
It looks like the headstock may not have completely snapped off, which is good news. Hard to see under the black paint though. The original serial number is just visible, which dates to '62, and the top horn is a 'point' more than a 'chisel', which ties in with the age.
First thing to do is to get it home and whip the control cover plate off. I'm interested to see what pots/caps are in there. I need to raise the tailpiece a bit as they're sitting on the back of the bridge. The tailpiece has been lowered right into the body so it needs raising.
Overall though, it looks like a few tweaks here and there (plus the re-fret) and we're good to go....
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Great find. Between that and the Pearly your cup runneth over at the moment. Best way to buy a guitar really, a broken headstock knocks loads off the value, but if properly fixed makes sod all difference to the guitar itself.
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does this mean your epi's going up for sale then?
Nope - it'll be the gig backup :)
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And when do we get to meet the new dynamic duo? I need to get my filthy mitts on them! Playing the Nags Head soon?
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And when do we get to meet the new dynamic duo? I need to get my filthy mitts on them! Playing the Nags Head soon?
The real question is when is the Red Sparkle CS Tele due to be put up for sale :lol:
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No-one is getting the Tele!
Played the Nags Head last week mate, where were you??????
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Looks great Dave - a nice find. I'm going to try out a CS SG in a week or two and see if it does what I need it to. I look forward to some clips :P
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Hmm. Interesting.
Closer inspection reveals a skinny nut width, plus a six digit serial (not 5 digit as advertised). I reckon it's a '65 not a '62.
Decisions decisions.......
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Hmm. Interesting.
Closer inspection reveals a skinny nut width, plus a six digit serial (not 5 digit as advertised). I reckon it's a '65 not a '62.
Decisions decisions.......
Ask for a discount!
EDIT - alternatively, don't send it back or pay for it. When they ask for the '62 back you should say something along the lines of "what '62?" :lol:
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How does it play?
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It plays great! The thinner width nut means it's slightly cramped compared to my usual guitars, but it's slick as a slick thing and feels great. Nice and vibrant, you can feel the body vibrate when you play. Pickups are OK, but lacking in some 'zing'.
It's been rewired very professionally with top spec CTS pots and orange drop caps, plus a Switchcraft jack. Exactly what I was going to use, so that's pretty cool!
Just about to pull the pickups and see what the routes are like.
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Closer inspection reveals a skinny nut width, plus a six digit serial (not 5 digit as advertised). I reckon it's a '65 not a '62.
Just out of curiosity, what's the serial number? My Melody Maker's 260007.
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The serial number is "509242" I think, although the last number is very hard to read.
According to this site: http://home.provide.net/~cfh/gibson.html#serial (http://home.provide.net/~cfh/gibson.html#serial) that makes it a '65 or a '68, and given that it has the small scratchplate (not the batwing, or evidence of ever having one) it must be a '65. The pickup routes are fine except for some extra home-done style expansion of the pickup leg areas. To accommodate some different 'buckers at some point I think.
Interesting guitar...
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Neck breaks are overrated. It didn't change anything on my Hamer Sunburst. As long as it's been glued well and even more so if the break is behind the nut. As long as it holds and transfers the vibrations it will make no difference.
I'm sure it's a great guitar, congrats!
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The serial number is "509242" I think, although the last number is very hard to read.
Like most guitars around this era the serial numbers can seem to be confusing. Is the last number definitely part of the serial - presumably (using the info on the site) if you assumed it was a 5 figure serial, it would date it as a 62. But as you have mentioned the narrow nut width it does seem to point to 65.
With my SG unfortunately I 'erased' the serial when I refinished it but did write it down somewhere - unfortunately I can't find it a the moment but remember it was a 5 figure number beginning with 6 which confirms it as a 64 - the neck is also much chunkier than my 61 reissue.
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The 3rd and 4th digits line up exactly with the middle of the headstock, so I'm sure it's a six figure number. Plus the thinnner nut, makes it a '65 to me.
I'm thinking I'm going to keep it and throw on the best hardware I can get hold of. Then play the snot out of it at 'DC gigs!
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I'm thinking I'm going to keep it and throw on the best hardware I can get hold of.
Does that mean you're going in search of authentic vintage hardware? Or just decent new stuff?
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Decent new stuff - I'm not paying for old cr@p!
I think TonePros everything should do the trick? Tuners, ABR-1 bridge and posts, plus a tailpiece and posts.
Or what about Pigtail? Any other makes I should look at?
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Decent new stuff - I'm not paying for old cr@p!
I think TonePros everything should do the trick? Tuners, ABR-1 bridge and posts, plus a tailpiece and posts.
Or what about Pigtail? Any other makes I should look at?
DMC and Fake58 - stay away from Pigtail, heard lots of horror stories about people ordering, never getting anything and the guy wouldn't respond to emails.
I've personally dealt with Fake58 and they were very fast in getting the goods out (AND they're a UK company).
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Decent new stuff - I'm not paying for old cr@p!
I think TonePros everything should do the trick? Tuners, ABR-1 bridge and posts, plus a tailpiece and posts.
Or what about Pigtail? Any other makes I should look at?
DMC and Fake58 - stay away from Pigtail, heard lots of horror stories about people ordering, never getting anything and the guy wouldn't respond to emails.
I've personally dealt with Fake58 and they were very fast in getting the goods out (AND they're a UK company).
:( i have a bridge on order from pigtail at the moment
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cool axe dave, but defo change those knobs!!
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stay away from Pigtail, heard lots of horror stories about people ordering, never getting anything and the guy wouldn't respond to emails.
:( i have a bridge on order from pigtail at the moment
Unfortunately Steve Rowen, the guy who ran Pigtail, died last September.
I got the impression it was pretty much a one-man business - I don't know if anyone else has taken it over. The website hasn't been updated, so I suspect the business is kaput.
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stay away from Pigtail, heard lots of horror stories about people ordering, never getting anything and the guy wouldn't respond to emails.
:( i have a bridge on order from pigtail at the moment
Unfortunately Steve Rowen, the guy who ran Pigtail, died last September.
I got the impression it was pretty much a one-man business - I don't know if anyone else has taken it over. The website hasn't been updated, so I suspect the business is kaput.
I never knew he'd passed away. Regardless, the problems with fulfilling orders was raised on the LPF as long as two or three years back.
Go with Fake58 - I'm eyeing up some of their aged LP tuners.
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Faber have some cool "improved vintage" parts, a different approach to the same sort of thing TonePros do (although I'm still waiting for the wraparound bridge I ordered 6 weeks ago :( ).
And Callaham now make a solid steel tune-o-matic which looks interesting.
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its an intonatable wraparound that will look the part on something like a firebird I he is after - i recommended the pigtail becase it would be perfect for that.
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its an intonatable wraparound that will look the part on something like a firebird I he is after - i recommended the pigtail becase it would be perfect for that.
Yeah, but this is for Dave's SG with a tune-o-matic and stop tailpiece. And as mentioned above, the problem with Pigtail stuff is getting hold of it.
C'mon Wez man, read the thread! :roll: :wink:
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He's too busy building groovy stuff :lol:
And remember, with a wife looking over your shoulder going "where's that cup of tea you promised me?" it's easy to miss stuff in these long threads...
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stay away from Pigtail, heard lots of horror stories about people ordering, never getting anything and the guy wouldn't respond to emails.
:( i have a bridge on order from pigtail at the moment
Unfortunately Steve Rowen, the guy who ran Pigtail, died last September.
I got the impression it was pretty much a one-man business - I don't know if anyone else has taken it over. The website hasn't been updated, so I suspect the business is kaput.
I never knew he'd passed away. Regardless, the problems with fulfilling orders was raised on the LPF as long as two or three years back.
Go with Fake58 - I'm eyeing up some of their aged LP tuners.
Yup HTH, Don't give business to a dead guy or expect him to reply to email generally seems like good advice :roll: :lol:
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Decent new stuff - I'm not paying for old cr@p!
I think TonePros everything should do the trick? Tuners, ABR-1 bridge and posts, plus a tailpiece and posts.
Or what about Pigtail? Any other makes I should look at?
DMC and Fake58 - stay away from Pigtail, heard lots of horror stories about people ordering, never getting anything and the guy wouldn't respond to emails.
I've personally dealt with Fake58 and they were very fast in getting the goods out (AND they're a UK company).
+1 on Fake58. I've bought a couple of Fendery bits from them and they've always been great.
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He's too busy building groovy stuff :lol:
And remember, with a wife looking over your shoulder going "where's that cup of tea you promised me?" it's easy to miss stuff in these long threads...
andy has got it spot on :P
and i was referring to gwem's issue. TF doest have an issue, even ift he 62-65 plays badly he has some nice PRSi, some nice fender custom shops a $%&# off i want a pearly gates LP whatever it costs and a nice WV to tide him over till the SG is put right ;)
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Ah, OK, misunderstood. All gwEm had said was that he'd ordered a Pigtail, I didn't realise you were referring to that, since it was several posts later. :wink:
I guess he'll have to wait now to see if anyone is still dealing with Pigtail's orders. :?
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...and a nice WV to tide him over till the SG is put right ;)
The WV got a run out at a gig a couple of weeks ago Wez - she was cracking as usual! That's the trouble with having so much good stuff - I can never decide what to take to a gig, so I try and rotate them!
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I guess he'll have to wait now to see if anyone is still dealing with Pigtail's orders. :?
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I guess he'll have to wait now to see if anyone is still dealing with Pigtail's orders. :?
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Gulp..... I ordered a set of Tele saddles from Pigtail last week :(
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I guess he'll have to wait now to see if anyone is still dealing with Pigtail's orders. :?
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Gulp..... I ordered a set of Tele saddles from Pigtail last week :(
Did you pay by PayPal? Maybe some kind of buyer protection applies?
Or maybe someone is keeping the business going - to at least sell off any remaining stock - in which case I apologise for scaremongering. Fingers crossed for you.
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I know the guy who runs Fake58 - can recommend him
Mike
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I guess he'll have to wait now to see if anyone is still dealing with Pigtail's orders. :?
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Gulp..... I ordered a set of Tele saddles from Pigtail last week :(
Did you pay by PayPal? Maybe some kind of buyer protection applies?
Or maybe someone is keeping the business going - to at least sell off any remaining stock - in which case I apologise for scaremongering. Fingers crossed for you.
Emailed Pigtail saying I had just realised that Steve Rowan had passed away and wondered if the company was still trading. Got this reply back..."Yes, my beloved husband and best friend died in the fall. I am continuing the business. We shipped out your order this week.
Pam Rowen"
So looks like I'll get my tele saddles
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That's good news!
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That's good news!
Well Philly sort of good news and bad news....................
Good news.....it arrived after 4 weeks with no customs duty but VAT
Bad News ......... Royal Mail wanted £8 handling fee (box size of a VHS cassette, half the weight)
Very Bad News:- Look at the size of the threaded screw holes against the brass saddle PDT_021
(http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af175/Tellboy/BlackpooleTele/PigtailSaddle.jpg)
Am waiting for a response from Pigtail - tried screws from three tele bridges, not surprisingly all were much smaller.
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So they supply the saddles without intonation screws? That's bizarre. They say "with screws" on the website. :?
The VAT/Royal Mail charges are just a fact of life, unfortunately. Especially with exchange rates as they are now. :(
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Ah, OK, misunderstood. All gwEm had said was that he'd ordered a Pigtail, I didn't realise you were referring to that, since it was several posts later. :wink:
I guess he'll have to wait now to see if anyone is still dealing with Pigtail's orders. :?
pigtail order arrived! it took about a month longer than expected, but the bridge is great quality. seems his wife is definately starting to gear up to deal with the old orders.