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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: MDV on July 02, 2010, 04:19:20 PM
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So, GAS is looming, for amps.
Just been mucking about with my PB. I put in Tung sol 12AX7s x 3 with the one JAN philips 5751 in the PI and its MUCH better - smoother, thicker, tighter, growlier. With my EQs (yes, 2) in the loop its actually pretty close to what I want now, but...
Its still a bit sterile and glassy in its response and still just a little too fizzy and lacks mid bark in the voicing. Not mids in magnitude, but in the character of them. Not boxy, not honky, just lacking that chewey, woody bark.
I have some JJs for the power section but being a lazy git I havent got round to trying them yet. I dont expect miracles anyway, but maybe I should, because maybe this thread could become a waste of time.
Anyway, things I really like about it - its ultra-tight, it has a somewhat bizarre but outstanding controlled hyper-aggression, its low end goes deep and stays tight, and theres more of it on tap than even I need. Things I dont like are pretty much already covered. Mainly the sterile glassiness/lack of mid bark (they're related I think).
Now I'm thinking a couple of things -
Another amp, likely single channel, that I can mix with the PB in recordings thats still fairly metal but has a more open voicing. I was thinking about a gh100l, or GH50l, actually: any thoughts on these?
A pre to run into the PBs power section. The obvious choice, as I love a lot of the clips of it and its 'proper' amp is the E570 - the SE pre.
A replacement. Or compliment. Something custom, by the looks of things, which I've spoken about with martin and ian, but am not set on.
Closest 'stock' amps to what I want are, in different ways, the VHT deliverance: great in all regards save its low ends flab and fartiness, and the VH4: theres something too processed and restrained and tame about it I cant quite put my finger on, but it otherwise sounds great.
I got a roadstar 18 recently that I need to test in 4-tracking with the PB (clips will follow...I very much doubt you've heard an MJW do what I'm going to do with it, or would ever want to :lol:), and that certainly has the woody mid range bark the PB lacks, so I have qutie high hopes for layering it up in recording, but it lacks pretty much anything else that I look for in a tone, inc low and high end (I found it really dulled: maybe its my drop-B 13-56 strung guitars, maybe its my cab (ubercab, often called dark, and I can sort of agree, but its not that dark) or the V30/Swamp thang combo in it, I dunno).
To be fair I didnt expect it to: I know its not a metal amp, but with an OD infront of it and the same two EQs in the loop but with one of them with the gain dimed and treble bands and with my highest output pickups (c-bomb) it was just about nearly in the right sort of territory, but its a really tame voicing for what I go for - I mention it to give an idea to those familiar with that sound, or sort of sound, what I mean by 'woody midrange bark'. The roadstars got loads. The powerball has everything else but not much of that. I want it from one amp. Help!
I know, tl:dr.
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Sounds like Deliverance would be perfect. I had one for a cpl months and it was blistering. Open, articulate, organic, huge dynamics and not as stiff and had more saturation than a Pitbull.
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I tried a deliverence and metioned it as a close-but-no because its low end was a bit farty/shallow for me.
I do love everything else about that amp, though. Especially its responsiveness and its top end - now, I'm a metal rhythm guitarist who 'also can' play lead, but its far from my first love. I plug in and I start riffing, and more or less dont stop. But with the deliverence I couldnt stop playing bluesy-metal leads with big bends and vibrato. It had a lush response, really dynamic and rich and full and sweet and...stuff. If I were to have an amp that was just to record leads on I wouldnt hesitate for an instant - I'd get a deliverence, it kills the engl in that regard.
But I needs teh br00tal rhythm much more, and the deliverence didnt deliver for me.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
I was sort of hoping a pitbull would be metioned in a constructive sort of a way, and less saturated than the deliverence isnt what I hoped for from it :(
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The only amps I can think of that will match your criteria are both by Komet -- the Constellation (http://www.kometamps.com/sounds/queentypewsolo.mp3) and the Concorde (http://www.kometamps.com/concorde/mp3s/british.mp3).
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Doesn't sound like you're far off what you want with the PB.
How about a tone stack mod to shift the mids a bit?
I've used a couple of ENGL's from time to time when I went places to play shows and couldn't take my own head.
I never really got on with the ones I used but I'm not sure what they were. I can't remember.
I've read that something about the ENGL preamp circuit in some of their amps gives an almost Solid State quality to the distortion generated. Not a good or bad thing. just different.
Have you played an Uberschall? maybe you could get something like the Uber built but single channel, without the fancy fibre optics.
I'm just throwing ideas out really.
Egnater Armageddon?
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I tried a deliverence and metioned it as a close-but-no because its low end was a bit farty/shallow for me.
I do love everything else about that amp, though. Especially its responsiveness and its top end - now, I'm a metal rhythm guitarist who 'also can' play lead, but its far from my first love. I plug in and I start riffing, and more or less dont stop. But with the deliverence I couldnt stop playing bluesy-metal leads with big bends and vibrato. It had a lush response, really dynamic and rich and full and sweet and...stuff. If I were to have an amp that was just to record leads on I wouldnt hesitate for an instant - I'd get a deliverence, it kills the engl in that regard.
But I needs teh br00tal rhythm much more, and the deliverence didnt deliver for me.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
I was sort of hoping a pitbull would be metioned in a constructive sort of a way, and less saturated than the deliverence isnt what I hoped for from it :(
I'm selling a Pitbull but if you like the ENGL I don't see you loving the Pitbull. My experience with ENGL (limited to Fireball and Screamer) is that they are really compressed and saturated.
The Pitbulls do vary alot between models but it doesn't matter if it's the CL/CLX/PB45 or UL they all have a very similar feel. People complain about it being tight, dry and unforgiving etc etc... which are exactly what I love about them. If you're a confident player it $%&#ing kills. Tons of articulation, definition, openness and most of all they are so damn aggressive. When I first started playing through the Pitbull it sounded like it had no gain, no matter how hard I pushed the gain but it just doesn't have much saturation. It feels like a clean channel on 11 but after some playing most everything else quite frankly just sounds compressed, saturated and bollocks. I'm only selling it because I'm still unemployed after finishing uni :9
I don't much like the Diezels either, waaaay to fat. They sound like they've got a friggin chorus pedal built in - can't imagine that would be a fun amp to track, EQ and mix.
Another thing with the Deliverance to be aware of is that there are two revisions and you might prefer the newer revision and the lack of efx loop can be a royal pain.
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I had the exact same problem. I owned both a Powerball and a Laney VH100R at the same time. I spent hours comparing them and I vastly prefered the Laney. With a boost in the front of the amp, the Laney could do what the Powerball was trying to do and do what the powerball simply couldn't.
The Powerball was a monster of an amp, but lacked a lot. The mids of the Laney made it sound a lot more 'aggressive' I suppose because the mids were really hitting you.
I'm using the JVM410H right now because it's a very good mix of the tight modern sound of something like an ENGL and the aggressive mids, warm cleans of something like a Laney.
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Have you played an Uberschall?
+1
Bogner defines chewy midrange bark
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Thanks for the suggestions and experiences chaps
DMoney - I'm really not far off with it. Its close, in that it has the most of what I want and the least of what I dont of what I've tried. It does have some SSyness in its response, not in its distortion I think, its more in the sharpness of its top end (which can be brittle, but hasnt been since I put the tung sols in) and the shear speed of its response, which I like - I couldnt give a toss if its solid statey, maybe 'the' amp for me is a solid state amp, I dunno, I havent tried them all.
Ben, thats a bit bluesy and tame for me mate, I hope they can get heavier and more aggressive than that! But cheers
Lew, I've been listening to a few more VHT clips and I like what I hear - they seem to be really accurate and throaty as a whole (which the deliverence was when I played it, and the dry accuracy and I get on just fine - I need a clear amp, not a forgiving mudball!) and I'll stick some VHT/Fryette stuff on the 'to try' list - esp. the 120W deliverence (in the hope it can take my drop-B palm mutes @ 250bpm silliness better than the 60) and the pitbulls. And the Sig-X sounds at least a little promising from clips: any experience anyone?
Steve, I was thinking overdriving a laney VH/GH - mainly GH, as they're reputedly a bit heavier and more aggressive out of the box, but do you think they lack tightness? I need tightness. Lots of tightness.
I've tried an uberschall - I hated it. I found it to be a muddy, woofy dulled PoS. It was pretty good overdriven with an 808, but I was A-Bing that with the PB on the day I bought the PB and the PB won on its stock sounds for me pretty easily - it doesnt sound much like a PB normally does anymore with the valve changes and the EQs I use, and very much for the better to my ears, so the uber isnt a contender for me.
JVMs an interesting option. Havent really considered marshal since I started hating my old TSL602 - how to they compare? Much improvement? I found the 602, and every other TSL I tried, which was most if not all, turned to mush when you tried to get it past mid-80s hard rock.
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or just get an axefx :P
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Good luck with the hunt. Sounds like it could be a very long one.....
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Lew, I've been listening to a few more VHT clips and I like what I hear - they seem to be really accurate and throaty as a whole (which the deliverence was when I played it, and the dry accuracy and I get on just fine - I need a clear amp, not a forgiving mudball!) and I'll stick some VHT/Fryette stuff on the 'to try' list - esp. the 120W deliverence (in the hope it can take my drop-B palm mutes @ 250bpm silliness better than the 60) and the pitbulls. And the Sig-X sounds at least a little promising from clips: any experience anyone?
Not great recorded quality but these show off the qualities of the Pitbull well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k_nOM5TICY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjEiOu9Bkuk&feature=related
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Ben, thats a bit bluesy and tame for me mate, I hope they can get heavier and more aggressive than that! But cheers
Huh, I thought the potential is there with both of these amps, especially since you said you're wanting to contrast the PB, not replace it ...
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I dont like Axe-FX clips I've heard. They sound polystyrene-y. I'm getting not-too-bad at spotting its character in clips and guessing correctly when an axe fx is used because of this. Not always right, of course, but quite often.
It will indeed be a long hunt - its been going for a while already.
True, ben, true. I'll see what else I can find on the komets. Thanks. I kind of thought you would mention splawn, actually - have those days gone now? (And can you get an amp without bible verses in it?? :lol:)
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True, ben, true. I'll see what else I can find on the komets. Thanks. I kind of thought you would mention splawn, actually - have those days gone now? (And can you get an amp without bible verses in it?? :lol:)
The Splawn won't do what you are asking of it, and that would only lead to disappointment.
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i didn't know you'd got an MJW... :lol:
have you tried any soldanos and cornfords? i think they're maybe a bit less sterile than engls (but then you might lose what you like about the engls too).
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What about moving up in the ENGL range, to a Savage or Invader?
Also, the Powerabll MkII has a 'middle boosted sound option' for all 4 channels as a new feature, might make it a bit more tweakable to your tastes.
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I Have a Powerball as you know.. And the JJ's in the power amp warm it up a little further so do try it.
I've also had a JVM (which stevepage now owns) I really liked it but there didnt seem to be enough low end for me when it was tight then it seemed to go a little flubby after a point from memory. But the fact i like alot of low end and i have greenbacks in my framus cobra cab might have something to do with it. but I really did like that amp to the point that when i get my car insurance sorted out I might get another one, or take a look at the powerball 2, or steve morse sig.
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Why is me getting an MJW funny?
Is it cos it isnt teh br00talz?
It does haz teh toanz though. Just not my sort.
I thought about the PB 2, then I thought that its basically a PB 1 with a mid boost, and I dont need a mid boost I need a mid change in voicing. Or do I? I'm not utterly certain. I'm seeing what my options are.
A dude round here has an invader - I've been jedi-ing him in the ways of guitar geekery and guiding his quest for toanez and helping him learn to maintain and mod his guitars. Hes like a 16 year old padawan that can shred like a mother$%&#er. Scary good technique for one so young, the force is strong with him. Anyway, he said he'd bring it round so I can try that out. For some reason I've never been taken with any savage sound I've heard - they're all a bit high-mid crunchy for me.
I'll put the JJs in tomorrow if the planets say 'toanez with a chance of electrocution'. Its a perfect saturday afternoon.
Thanks for the comparison with the JVM kieran - I couldnt find anyone doing anything but generic rock in clips, and they werent promising; it just sounded like a TSL.
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On the subject of the Savage, I liked it a lot when I first got it.
Then I got the right speakers/cab & loved it (well, not necessarily the absolute best speakers as I've not tried many, but my hunch that the CL80 & K100 combination would be streets ahead of V30s proved to be correct).
Then I swapped the preamp valves & my jaw hits the floor every time I play through it (I did the opposite of what you did & put the JAN 5751 in V1)
OK, I won't pretend to be impartial on this :), but I do think that in terms of tone, gain, intensity & power that it's much better than the PB.
I know what you mean about the Savage's high-mid crunch. It's certainly not "scooped", but for me that's why I like it so much - the sound has so much "body", you just need to match up the correct speakers so it doesn't get offensively nasal. Also, the BBE into the FX loop is a big part of my sound, just makes everything clearer.
Interestingly, I've not got around to trying the E570 into the Savage's power section & brutal cab, but the E570s high gain is kinda half way between the Savage & how I remember the powerball. As I commented on my NAD thread, the mids seem "spongier" & less "stiff" than the Savage. The SE through the MJW pwer amp certainly isn't as shrill into V30s as the Savage was.
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The JVM isnt as in your face as the powerball but can be very aggressive.
When I first got it I wasnt bowled over as I tried it through a vintage modern cab in the shop and really liked it but I ended up getting a 410h off ebay, and through greenbacks it wasnt as great. Then I shoved the mxr 10-band in the loop andwith some subtle tweeks it was great. Then I whacked some JJ's in the preamp and all was right in the world, they added quite a bit of chunk and smoothed out the overly glassy and sometimes sharp top end a bit.
The only problem I had with the jvm is that its very sensitive to pickups and speakers it loved my miracle man loaded ibanez and esp, beautifully thick and tight but the painkiller loaded custom 22 and my tremonti's it got quite brittle.
I also missed the built in noise gate on the powerball but thats nit-picking.
hope that helps mark
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It is kieran, thanks.
Is that the monster MM? Hows it working out for you? (If you still have it?)
Antag, doooooooood, you have an E570!?!?
Tell
Me
EVERYTHING!!
Its pretty much top of my list at the moment. The 570/SE sounds to me like all the things I like about the PB and non that I dont, and the E570 at least isnt horrifically priced: PB power section for now, rack power later.
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Steve, I was thinking overdriving a laney VH/GH - mainly GH, as they're reputedly a bit heavier and more aggressive out of the box, but do you think they lack tightness? I need tightness. Lots of tightness.
JVMs an interesting option. Havent really considered marshal since I started hating my old TSL602 - how to they compare? Much improvement? I found the 602, and every other TSL I tried, which was most if not all, turned to mush when you tried to get it past mid-80s hard rock.
Yeah I use a Ibanez TS9 DX modded by R Keeley and a Bloody Murder. Both did the job very well, it was very tight and if a boost isn't enough an EQ pedal would do the trick.
I hated the TSL's so I'm gonna say that the JVM's are in a different league. It's one of those amps that just does everything very very well. I don't need a boost or an EQ pedal with the JVM, I found it sounds best as is which is great if you don't want pedals flung about the floor.
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Most modern high-gain amps sound like that IMO.
The other day I listened to a very big amp comparison someone had posted on the net and the majority of amps all sounded quite generic, very compressed, brutal with lots of low end thump but also somehow "soulless" to me on the recording. Differences seem to get even smaller on recordings often.
A few amps sounded different and when I looked up the one I liked the most it was an older Marshall with a boost. Much cleaner, much more transparent, lots of classic midrange crunch. Kind of ironic, if you ask me.
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What about trying the Powerball II? It's in Guitarist mag this month...
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So, GAS is looming, for amps.
I got a roadstar 18 recently that I need to test in 4-tracking with the PB (clips will follow...I very much doubt you've heard an MJW do what I'm going to do with it, or would ever want to :lol:), and that certainly has the woody mid range bark the PB lacks, so I have qutie high hopes for layering it up in recording, but it lacks pretty much anything else that I look for in a tone, inc low and high end (I found it really dulled: maybe its my drop-B 13-56 strung guitars, maybe its my cab (ubercab, often called dark, and I can sort of agree, but its not that dark) or the V30/Swamp thang combo in it, I dunno).
To be fair I didnt expect it to: I know its not a metal amp, but with an OD infront of it and the same two EQs in the loop but with one of them with the gain dimed and treble bands and with my highest output pickups (c-bomb) it was just about nearly in the right sort of territory, but its a really tame voicing for what I go for - I mention it to give an idea to those familiar with that sound, or sort of sound, what I mean by 'woody midrange bark'. The roadstars got loads. The powerball has everything else but not much of that. I want it from one amp. Help!
I know, tl:dr.
Have you swapped the pre-amp tubes about for something with more gain and bite? They may still be the lower gain ones I had in to give me a bit more headroom. I had picked them so I'd get a really round and smooth single note tone when everything was at full wack with a bit of boost from a pedal. The higher gain pre-amp tubes gave a very different sound.
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Why is me getting an MJW funny?
Is it cos it isnt teh br00talz?
It does haz teh toanz though. Just not my sort.
haha, yeah. but mainly i was just laughing because i didn't know you'd gone for one. :)
EDIT: yeah the jvm is a lot nicer than a tsl, but I preferred its lower gain tones to its higher gain tones.
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when you get to try the invader, pretty please with sugar on top can you do an A/Bing clip with the powerball :D
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I don't know how much cash you want to shell out but the ENGL Special Edition amps (6l6 and el34) are extremely awesome amps with a great tone! Or you can go the other way and try the cheaper Fireball 100 and see if it fits...
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Most modern high-gain amps sound like that IMO.
The other day I listened to a very big amp comparison someone had posted on the net and the majority of amps all sounded quite generic, very compressed, brutal with lots of low end thump but also somehow "soulless" to me on the recording. Differences seem to get even smaller on recordings often.
A few amps sounded different and when I looked up the one I liked the most it was an older Marshall with a boost. Much cleaner, much more transparent, lots of classic midrange crunch. Kind of ironic, if you ask me.
You dont have a link to that do you? Would be much appreciated.
Matt, I didnt know you'd changed the valves from standard. I thought it odd that what I was hearing was much less hot and much duller sounding than what was in the clips - I mean, my setup isnt that dark...in fact, its not even dark, save the low tuning and maybe the tendency of DR tites toward darkness.
I'll have a chat with martin about what to use.
Dime, I'm looking very seriously (and with no small quantity of drool :lol:) at the E570. I can likely get a really good power section off HTH or MJW for less than the difference between the E570 and full blown SE. Failing that a second hand VHT power amp would probably run much less than the ~£1500 difference between the E570 and the SE. Probably be better too.
JDC: I'll consider it :P
The GH50L is still looking good, even if only because its so cheap - you can get one for about 500 new. But if I do that, I cant really justify the E570, and I have much higher hopes of that being suited to me than the GH50L. If I can sell some stuff, I might, just maybe, buy both :lol:
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FWIW, I briefly plugged my E570 into my Savage 120's power section today & it was unbelievably bassy - and LOUD.
Didn't really have time to tweak, but I'm guessing I'll need to deactivate the Depth punch on the Savage & the MLP on my E570 patches, as well as turn the bass & master right down (as well as the treble & presence up) to get a sound that I can compare with my Savage sound.
Will try to plug the MJW power amp into the brutal cab next, but I thought it was insteresting how settings that sounds good through the MJW/Mesa 2x12 were bordering on unusable into the Savage 120/brutal cab - something to bear in mind when getting an E570 to use into a head's power section...
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Hmmmmm, interesting, thanks.
Can any of the amp gurus explain this - are there problems running a pre into the power section of a head? I would have thought they were more or less interchangable, esp. from the same brand and when the pre in question is just the pre from one of their heads....
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It should work - & indeed it did work. It's just that I'd need to do a lot more tweaking to find the ideal sound.
I'm guessing it has something to do with the E570 having come from 100 watt heads that have either 6L6 or EL34 power sections, whereas the Savage 120s 120 watt 6550 power section is a different animal entirely...
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Not a bad guess, I suppose.
I'm really interested how you get on with this, if you want to keep tweaking and see how you go.
I'm also really interested in whether your explanation is a good one and I can expect better luck with the 6l6 100W power section of the PB, if its closer to the SEs normal power amp or not.
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Yeah, I will - was re-arranging (or rather reclaiming) my music room yesterday so not much playing time.
I used to run my Rocktron VooduValve into my Rect-o-Verb head's power section with no trouble at all. Also, the SE sounds wonderful with the 5881-powered MJW. I'm tempted to plug the Marshall SL-X in & try the SE through that too... :)
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if you're looking at laneys, just be aware that the prices have shot up (on the ghs) by about £100 recently.
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if you're looking at laneys, just be aware that the prices have shot up (on the ghs) by about £100 recently.
Really? this makes me a bit sad. They are great amps I think. Pretty underrated or overlooked especially at the price they were at! They are probably still cheap compared to similar amps though?
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But they are so cheap 2nd hand, i just picked up a GH50L (big logo, silver corners) from the bay of e for £200 :D
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well, i haven't tried a gh, but the laneys i have tried were good value at the old prices, certainly. they're not as good value now... still good value? probably, but knowing the prices they used to go for, and that their main appeal was value... :)
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have you tried the "new" Fireball 100? it sounds way better than the PB i tried, in my opinion...
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God damned GAS u-turn!
Just heard this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h43oqNdspjI&feature=player_embedded
Thats almost, very nearly, exactly what I'm talking about - its clear, its tight, and its got midzy bark and snarl.
And these arent half bad either
http://www.netmusicians.org/?section=amp&value=Mako%20Dorado
And now Mako are looking really good to me. The dorado, speciically. Anyone know anything about them (save that they advocate Ovaltine consumption).
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Wait, I'm confused - that Mofos a Pre!
This lines up with my plans rather well.
I wonder what sort of sum they want for it + Uk shipping
Then theres tax
Oh for $%&# sake.
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$975 is less than half the price of an Egnater M4 (OK, with "only" 4 channels it's only half the preamp :lol:), for which I was quoted $166 shipping to UK by UPS, so rounding it up to $200
So, ((((975+200)*0.66)*1.037)*1.2)= £965.30
There's also the minor detail of whether they make it in a 230V version?
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975 USD is what the mako M4 costs?
A: How the hell did you find that out? I've been hunting, and not finding.
B: I dont know if I'm now happy about that or confused. The dorado sounds like it will do what I want, but its more or less the same expense as the E570, which I was previously for the last two days in the privacy and certainty of my own brain, set on, with it also being, as far as I can tell, a different flavour of 'near' perfect.
Mako M4
Engl E570
WUT DO?
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just noticed, peters is doing a preamp now if that's an option
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Yeah I saw that.
I really like the chimera, and have looked into peters before.
I nearly bought a chimera actually, but heard some stuff that gave me misgivings about the tightness, depth and clarity of the low end under significant detuning. The stuff I've heard from the E570 and the mako dorado (the amp and the dorado preamp channel on the M4) pretty much kill the peters for me though. It was good, but not that good.
Its Mako M4 Vs E570 for me. I need to sit with the clips I can find and listen intently on my adams: its the best I can do for assesment really.
Still cant believe that pre is <£1000 shipped from the US. Thats awesome.
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That sounds great and if that's the tone you're going for, you should check out a Roccaforte Ultra + Fryette UL/CLX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQnS6TSbQ6U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvoJZMtzdr0 not often you see a chick rocking like that
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See, its in the little things
I can certainly hear similarities there, but the Mako (dorado at least) has so much more throaty aggression and attack, to my ears anyway. They sound drier and tamer. Theres a similar character to them, but they dont do it for me the same way.
Plus Doug Roccaforte is a tw@t, or at least has conducted himself very poorly while I was 'looking' (over at HC) and I can think of people I'd much rather give my custom to (martin, ian, james of peters fame, and it seems that andrew from mako is a sound chap.....or I could try and get a Cameron! It seems that the deposit for one of those is basically a bet that you'll get an amp within your lifetime!).
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975 USD is what the mako M4 costs?
A: How the hell did you find that out? I've been hunting, and not finding.
umm, the author's comment on that youtube clip says:
Thanks Erock!
Order @ www.makoamporders.com
So I went to http://www.makoamporders.com & hey presto :)
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Doh!
I was look at the pricing on the site (its not updated yet) and general googling. I did actually find it after you posted it on his facebook page (very much a last resort for me!)
Thanks though.
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MDV, have an update for you on the E570 into the Savage's power section:
As I thought, turning off the Savage's Depth Punch & upping the presence from 2 to about 4½, then turning off the E570's MLP (mega-low punch) yields a perfectly usable sound.
The E570 certainly seems more powerful than the Savage's preamp section, probably because there effectively an extra volume control in the chain - the E570 has a Master Volume as well as the channel volumes, but the Savage's Master Volume is in the power section.
Anyway, suffice to say that the E570 has a LOT of bass on tap, although I wonder how much of that is down to the "brutal" cab - that CL80/K100 combination has some serious low end when cranked :twisted:
Hope this helps...
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It does, yes, thanks. It tells me I can indeed use the E570 into the PB and get a usable sound with the right settings adjustment.
I'm running an Ubercab with V30s and Swamp Thangs, and it makes almost all other cabs I've used sound like toys, and I run the PB with low volume settings something like bass;2 depth 3-4, EQs cutting extra low end and its still crushing. I have no worries about magnitude of low end!
I have a power amp plan though, but it may take a little time - I'm sure whether I go with the mak4 or the E570 I can use it effectively through the PB now. Thanks.
How do you find the general tonal differences between the savage and the E570-savage?
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Plus Doug Roccaforte is a tw@t, or at least has conducted himself very poorly while I was 'looking' (over at HC) ...
Amen to that!
Remind me to tell you my Doug Roccaforte story some day ...
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Plus Doug Roccaforte is a tw@t, or at least has conducted himself very poorly while I was 'looking' (over at HC) ...
Amen to that!
Remind me to tell you my Doug Roccaforte story some day ...
Ooooh, carefull! I hear he can be quite litigious, or threaten to be, if someone says something he doesnt like!
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& he's going to like being called a tw@t? :)
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http://www.lsd-tonstudio.de/sonstiges/highplumbum.mp3 :twisted: :harp:
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& he's going to like being called a tw@t? :)
I was being facetious! Or sarky or something similar.
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http://www.lsd-tonstudio.de/sonstiges/highplumbum.mp3 :twisted: :harp:
Sounds good! That fella hangs out at andy sneaps forum; I believe he uses 5150s and mesas for more or less everything.
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That was a Pitbull, just thought I'd continue my crusade :P
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Have you considered the Diamond Nitrox?
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I have a GH50L and I really think it's strong suit is solos. It's riffing voice is great, especially if you like throwing pinch harmonics around as they have a great quality to them. I really feel l have to suggest a 5150/6505 here. It seems that everyone looks at them as lesser or overused, but when you look at the track record as a whole, they stand tall. They just sound like metal guitar to me no matter how they're equalized and mixed.
SD Dimebucker: Kalmah- Heroes to Us http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRsdU-kh_pw
SD JB/59: Gojira- Vacuity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmUgDrdbDhQ
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Threadmancy!
My love-hate relationship woith my powrball has gone to just loving it for the things I love it for and not *having* to put up with what I dont like about it since I got my utterly pwnsome pittbull CL, and JVM410h.
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Pics or it didn't happen. :D
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Its like a bloody reflex action, isnt it
My amps:
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l198/D_Man666/DSCF0080.jpg)
Family photo with my top guitars
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l198/D_Man666/DSCF0070.jpg)
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I really want to try a VHT. now that i have no multi channel amps i have a hankering for one. Maybe I should build one. probably shouldn't.
The VHT/Fryette front panel is a bit odd looking for my taste but I like some of the features. I saw a reversed engineered schem a while ago and it looked very interesting. I'd like to play one. Just don't see them around.
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I highly recommend it! This amp kinda came out of left field for me; after lews relentless plugging, he was willing to go for a part-ex with a couple of my guitars that dropped the actual cost for me to 'may as well' levels. Its not *perfect* but its easily the best amp I've played through.
It is however less of a 2 channel amp and more of a 2 x 1 channel amp. The green and red channels are quite similar - greens a bit middier , not quite as aggressive, not quite as bassy, but both go from clean to really savagely aggressive (but without much saturation, which it turns out I gelled with intsantly - they're very, very dry but they do actually have unholy amounts of gain; it hovers round 6-7 for me on the red channel).
It gave me the throaty, thick barking mid sound that I wanted from the start of this thread with barely a touch of a dial (though it is extreme tweakable, within its 2-nearly-the-same-channel boundary conditions and basic voicing; the graphic EQ is a godsend). Total opposite of the powerballs sound; ultra saturated and compressed high gain with tonnes of low end and sizzly top end Vs ultra dry, uncompress high gain with much smoother highs, but similar levels of bass on tap.
A mate of mine in the room as I tested it for the first time descrbed thusly:
"Its like its got a lion inside it, and the guitar is connected to its balls, and every time you play a note, it shocks the lions balls and the lion roars"
Thats basically exactly what a pittbull CL sounds like. That or a building falling over, melodically.
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"Its like its got a lion inside it, and the guitar is connected to its balls, and every time you play a note, it shocks the lions balls and the lion roars"
Thats basically exactly what a pittbull CL sounds like. That or a building falling over, melodically.
You gotta make sure your Lion balls are biased correctly. Good score, sir. I guess you're not as thrilled with the Marshall, then?
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Marsnall does make some sick amps :mrgreen:
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Marshall does make sick amps, but they all get out-marshalled by brands such as Splawn, Bogner, and from what I've heard Wizard and Cameron also out-marshall marshalls but I have not played those two amps.
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is that a new slsmg on the left? Or have you always had it?
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Marsnall does make some sick amps :mrgreen:
Very droll. The same mate that made the lion in the amp description wondered "Are marsnall a new make?"
I do like the marshall, its a good amp, the best I've heard from marshall in a long time, but I didnt really get it for me, and its not entirely my thing as it turns out. I got it to use on records for other people, to have that sort of tone avaialble.
I wasnt born with the SLSMG, dave :lol: /daftness.
I got that maybe 8 months ago.
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hehe :D Just thought I hadn't noticed you had it before, nice score. I picked up a dkmgt recently for cheap, nice guitar, not so keen on the neck-joint though :lol: But for just over £300 (new), and considering I didn't have anything with EMGs, I wasn't going to turn it down :D The SLSMG headstock is a lot nicer, too.
Did you take the volume pot out of yours? Or is it just the camera playing tricks?
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I'm not familiar with the dkmgt. I guess from jackson naming trends and you post that its a dinky with emgs?
I take out the tone and move the volume to the tone location on any guitar where the location of the vol is too close to the strings and bridge; it interferes with my picking hand.
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oh ok. I like the volume close, it never really annoys me (not saying you're wrong, I realise it's preference).
Yeah a dkmgt is basically a hardtail japanese dinky with EMGs. Has the same inlays as yours, but the pointy reversed jackson headstock (and bolt-on maple neck and alder body). :) I wouldn't have wanted to pay full price for one (over £500 last time I checked), but for just over £300, I couldn't resist.
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Yeah I had the same thing with the SLSMG. I got it second hand (with blackouts) for 300 because the neck had cracked (and been well repaired) just behind the nut. It was still a very good guitar, couldnt say no.
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yeah that's a good saving, new they're about £800 (if not more), aren't they?
Just out of interest, how do the blackouts compare to EMGs? Never been able to try them...
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They're more low-mid emphasised and dont quite have the inyourfaceness that emgs do. And by emgs I mean the 81, and by blackouts I mean the AB1. They're a bit thicker, a bit more responsive, a bit less aggressive, cleans are marginally better.
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ah ok, thanks :)