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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: mikey5 on October 24, 2010, 05:13:01 AM
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I need suggestions.
It is time to buy a new amplifier, and I have finally decided on the tone that I want. I want a JCM 800 tone modded for higher gain.
My first train of thought is to buy a used Marshall 2204 (has to be 50 watts) and send it over to FJA mods to have it tricked out.
I was looking around online and I saw a couple of other JCM 800 Clones (splawn street rod, Mini JCM 800, Ceriatone, Granger etc.)
I will include a couple of clips from FJA that nail the sort of tone I am looking for.
If any of you guys know of a brand I should look at or a place where I can find used JCM 2204s at good prices. Let me know
(ebay is too obvious)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDZ_lxDBhZs&p=F54DE59D4C93002A&playnext=1&index=6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3O7DXGs4gE
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If you can do without a loop, I suggest the Marshall 2203KK. A great amp and can be had for reasonable money, has a noise gate, too.
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check out this topic
essentially what you're looking for i think
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22476.90
splawn seems to be the favourite at the moment
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Splawn or Bogner is the way to go for that sort of sound IMHO.
Whatever you buy, you'll need to CRANK it! 8)
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Heard great plexi-tones on the new Bogner Goldfinger (which has 6v6's sic!).
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I would do something like the kk jcm 800 but my setup and neighbors couldn't handle 100 watts. I need something around 50.
I will check out the Goldfinger.
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50watts is loud as hell!
100watts is loud as hell!
10watts is half as loud as 100watts.
there are lot of amp to list here. Splawn is the way to go if you want to stick with EL34's (without badgering amp companies for EL34 conversion). They do 50 watt options. Other hot rodded marshall circuits I can think of right now use 6L6.
you could talk to Nic at Ceriatone about getting a modded clone maybe.
Or go custom build. You'd have a few options if you wanted a modded marshall circuit.
there are probably loads more options.
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My 10w HTH Hot rodded marshall is plenty loud as many on the forum will confirm
It's based on the Marshall Mod that was on the amp Slash used (the famous S.I.R.#39 Marshall that was used on appetite , and also by George Lynch)
It has a plexi channel and a hot rod channel, as well as a couple of other custom tweaks:
It has a 6 position mid range select - as used by Lee Jackson on his amp designs and there is a variable "slope resistor" on the front that enables you to go from a more British (Marshall) to a more American (Fender/Boogie) response from the amp.
It's single ended and can run from a wide variety of big bottle tubes - EL34/6L6/KT88/6550
For use at home or studio it works well , although it's pretty loud - especially when you think that there is only 1 power tube
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/bkp%20meeting/bkpmeet20101.jpg)
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My 10w HTH Hot rodded marshall is plenty loud as many on the forum will confirm
It's based on the Marshall Mod that was on the amp Slash used (the famous S.I.R.#39 Marshall that was used on appetite , and also by George Lynch)
It has a plexi channel and a hot rod channel, as well as a couple of other custom tweaks:
It has a 6 position mid range select - as used by Lee Jackson on his amp designs and there is a variable "slope resistor" on the front that enables you to go from a more British (Marshall) to a more American (Fender/Boogie) response from the amp.
It's single ended and can run from a wide variety of big bottle tubes - EL34/6L6/KT88/6550
For use at home or studio it works well , although it's pretty loud - especially when you think that there is only 1 power tube
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/bkp%20meeting/bkpmeet20101.jpg)
you could definitely gig with this amp if you have it on a chair to lift it up closer to ear-level.
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I would do something like the kk jcm 800 but my setup and neighbors couldn't handle 100 watts. I need something around 50.
I will check out the Goldfinger.
The Goldfinger is 40 watts, but will still be quite loud. I play an Orange Rockerverb 50 head/2x12 cab, but even in the band I can't turn up the mastervolume above 12.00 o'clock cause it blows everybody away. Sounds good and big though at at that volume.
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used bogner shiva
the VHT deliverance is a great and much cheaper option as well
don't think they can handle EL34's without some small modding, though
or you could look for an already modded JCM or JMP
you can find a lot of modded marshalls for cheap on craigslist
modded amps priceranges only follow the forum trends, so you'll find a lot of NOW unknown modders
I bought a rebuilt '73 JMP 50w for $1000 with 2 extra tubes, tube buffered loop and extra gain stages
PTP board is stock, but it was fully rebuilt
I have no idea who did it
the amp was around Los Angeles, California (I'm in Brazil), and most people told me it looked like a Morin or Lee Jackson amp, but they denied the paternity
it's very bass heavy, but it's a killer amp
more of a Soundgarden/Sleep/Corrosion of Conformity tone than the Jose Arredondo voiced 80's hard rock sound most "famous" guys do today (Cameron, Fortin, Friedman, FJA)
I'm having it slightly tweaked to cut some of the excessive low end
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I have been looking at the Granger amps. Those look pretty cool. Some of those FJA modded amps look pretty awesome. I like the look of the street rods by Splawn. The ability to go from lower gain plexi to higher gain JCM tones is appealing.
Does anyone own a Street rod? or has anyone played one.
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you could talk to Nic at Ceriatone about getting a modded clone maybe.
Or go custom build. You'd have a few options if you wanted a modded marshall circuit.
there are probably loads more options.
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Does nik offer a hot rodded jcm?
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yes
he offers a new model called Chupacabra
it's a Jose based amp, just like most of the hot rodded JCMs
shipping is expensive, but still worth it, imo
unless you find a marshall for cheap
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To bad I cant find any audio clips of the Chupa Cabra. That name is hilarious.
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What do you guys think about these clips? They are from Granger. I think they both sound very Marshall. The thing I like about the Granger amps is he can put Kt88s in the amps.
2204
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-9k1suH-Y8
v20 nitro
http://www.youtube.com/user/grangeramp#p/a/u/1/LDHCDXXKlPg
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What do you guys think about these clips? They are from Granger. I think they both sound very Marshall. The thing I like about the Granger amps is he can put Kt88s in the amps.
2204
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-9k1suH-Y8
v20 nitro
http://www.youtube.com/user/grangeramp#p/a/u/1/LDHCDXXKlPg
The attack seems kinda soft on that 2204, but it has a great "bloom" to the notes that you wouldn't get on the stiffer original. Very nice twist on the 800 tone. But are the clips low volume?
I don't second the Bogner recommendation. I owned a Shiva and own a 100B, and while they are amazing amps in their own right, they ain't no Marshalls not. The Bogs have a darker tone than a 2203/04 to them, that signature low mid bloom, even the 100B which is the brightest voiced of all the Bogs. So if you're set on Marshall, get a Marshall (unless you can afford a Marsha/Friedman or some other boutique Marshall take).
You could look at the Morgan 30/800 for a lower volume 800 twist.
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the 2204 replica is not a hot rodded marshall
it's just a clone
the mod mentioned on the description is quite simple and comes in some other stock non-800 marshalls
just a small cap mounted in a stock resistor for more upper mid push
and a bit more fizz cut in the phase inverter
I wouldn't get a 20 watter
if you want KT88's, just get a used VHT or Fryette Deliverance 60
it's directly Marshall based as well, but has its own voicing
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I wouldn't get that overly excited about KT88's unless you've used them and know you like them.
I just think its kind of a cool feature but it shouldn't be the deciding point. If that makes sense.
Granger though, what I always found odd was this...
http://www.youtube.com/user/grangeramp#p/u/4/5BtE4wzag1U
at 1:34 that PCB is the SLO100clone PCB that you can buy from various spots. The sticker saying 'lead overdrive' is over etching on the PCB that says 'not for commercial use'. Maybe that granger dude has an arrangement; he's definitely adding some goodies to that amp that ain't part of that PCB, but I just find that odd... and therefore find Granger odd.
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What do you guys think about these clips? They are from Granger. I think they both sound very Marshall. The thing I like about the Granger amps is he can put Kt88s in the amps.
2204
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-9k1suH-Y8
v20 nitro
http://www.youtube.com/user/grangeramp#p/a/u/1/LDHCDXXKlPg
The Bogner Goldfinger sounds different from the Shiva.XTC. More vintage and more (plexi)Marshall, I think. But yes, not a Marshall-circuit.
The attack seems kinda soft on that 2204, but it has a great "bloom" to the notes that you wouldn't get on the stiffer original. Very nice twist on the 800 tone. But are the clips low volume?
I don't second the Bogner recommendation. I owned a Shiva and own a 100B, and while they are amazing amps in their own right, they ain't no Marshalls not. The Bogs have a darker tone than a 2203/04 to them, that signature low mid bloom, even the 100B which is the brightest voiced of all the Bogs. So if you're set on Marshall, get a Marshall (unless you can afford a Marsha/Friedman or some other boutique Marshall take).
You could look at the Morgan 30/800 for a lower volume 800 twist.
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Thanks for your advise all around guys.
I think what I am down to (unless something else comes up)
The Granger 2204, the Splawn streetrod/quickrod, and ceriatone.
I wonder if I buy either one of those amps could I mod them further to soup them up a little more. What do you guys think.
Pro for the quickrod is the versatility between plexi through Modded 800.
Pro for Granger is the very full tone (they also have excellent user reviews)
Con might not have enough gain.
Ceriatone amps seem very interesting to me. The stock 2204 ok from the clips I heard (not nearly good as granger or splawn, but the sound quality was terrible)
The Chupa Cabra sounds interesting but i havent seen any audio clips for this. On youtube I heard some Jose modded marshalls and they sounded awesome
Anyway any parting opinions? Anyone have experience with splawn, or ceriatone?
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Actually, the new Marshall AFD100 could be perfect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehwnoo1sFxU
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don't know why I never thought of this, but the Laney GH50L is basically a hotrodded 2203/2204.
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don't know why I never thought of this, but the Laney GH50L is basically a hotrodded 2203/2204.
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don't know why I never thought of this, but the Laney GH50L is basically a hotrodded 2203/2204.
Trouble is I could never get it to sound right - IE - just like a Marshall
Dont know if that was due to the H&H speakers (made by Laney) or if some voicing was different or if transformwer differences were making it sound wrong to my ears.
I will happily sytand corrected or maybe there is a simple enough mod tat does the trick nicely
I found that the LAneys sounded great with single coils but were wooly with humbuckers - compared to a Marshall
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don't know why I never thought of this, but the Laney GH50L is basically a hotrodded 2203/2204.
Trouble is I could never get it to sound right - IE - just like a Marshall
Dont know if that was due to the H&H speakers (made by Laney) or if some voicing was different or if transformwer differences were making it sound wrong to my ears.
I will happily sytand corrected or maybe there is a simple enough mod tat does the trick nicely
I found that the LAneys sounded great with single coils but were wooly with humbuckers - compared to a Marshall
might've been the cab, I've played these amps and they were very much that trademark Marshall roar to my ears - great value for money. nice tight bass end too - sounds like you found a bad one.
as for the H&H speakers, they're 'ok', not the greatest.
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Actually, the new Marshall AFD100 could be perfect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehwnoo1sFxU
I agree that thing sounds Bad @ss. I wonder how much it will cost.
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don't know why I never thought of this, but the Laney GH50L is basically a hotrodded 2203/2204.
Trouble is I could never get it to sound right - IE - just like a Marshall
Dont know if that was due to the H&H speakers (made by Laney) or if some voicing was different or if transformwer differences were making it sound wrong to my ears.
I will happily sytand corrected or maybe there is a simple enough mod tat does the trick nicely
I found that the LAneys sounded great with single coils but were wooly with humbuckers - compared to a Marshall
Was yours running El34s or 5881s? The GH series could use either, and they sound more MArshall-like with the EL34s.
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I wonder if I buy either one of those amps could I mod them further to soup them up a little more. What do you guys think.
I have to admit I'm not entirely convinced of the wisdom of buying a brand new amp with the immediate intention of modifying it.
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I wonder if I buy either one of those amps could I mod them further to soup them up a little more. What do you guys think.
I have to admit I'm not entirely convinced of the wisdom of buying a brand new amp with the immediate intention of modifying it.
agreed, I'd buy an amp that I was 100% happy with in the first place. if the amp is 'almost' there, you might as well go custom (plenty of boutique amp guys out there).
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50 marshall watts works out ok at home. my 2204 is totally ok there, but it will gig medium size venues too.
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I wonder if I buy either one of those amps could I mod them further to soup them up a little more. What do you guys think.
I have to admit I'm not entirely convinced of the wisdom of buying a brand new amp with the immediate intention of modifying it.
Although we buy new guitars with every intention of putting BKPs in right away
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I think the conclusion to this is I am going to wait on buying something until I get some samples of what the Chupacabra 50 by Ceriatone sounds like. I have been on a number of forums and everyone that owns one loves it.
If the Chupacabra is not the one than its back between Splawn and Granger.
Thanks everybody