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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 19, 2010, 10:50:45 PM

Title: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 19, 2010, 10:50:45 PM
Hi, good evening!

my current setup is:

guitar>RMC3 wah>Keeley Fuzzhead>Keeley Comp>Keeley Katana>Keeley truebypass looper> with an MXR phase 90 vintage reissue and the EHX Memory toy in the loop>amp

I could do with peoples help on what pedal to get, it has eventually come down to these pedals:

It's between the TC Nova Delay, TC Repeater delay, Boss DD-20, and Eventide Time factor...

what do you think?

regards BT  8)




Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: hunter on November 20, 2010, 07:32:35 AM
Strymon El Capistan. Check Pete Thorns Demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ai_T809U0A
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: Telerocker on November 20, 2010, 11:03:57 AM
I'm with Hunter. Strymon-pedals are amazing. The Brigadier is also a wonderful delay.  (and check out the blueSky-reverb as well, it is great!). I also like the Retrosonic Delay, all anolog pedal based on the DM2-circuit. It sounds very natural.
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: Mr. Air on November 20, 2010, 12:17:19 PM
TC Nova Repeater. It's really cheap compared to all the features it has and it's great sounding too. I'll pick the Nova Repeater over the Nova Delay as it's easier to control as you don't have to fiddle around with a millisecond display.
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 20, 2010, 10:30:21 PM
interesting, thanks for the responses, I hadn't even heard of strymon, it nails that tape delay sound, very very musical, i love the fact it has reverb inside too, which makes it even more desirable...

so far the strymon is no 1
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 20, 2010, 10:32:06 PM
I will keep u updated on which one I get
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 21, 2010, 01:47:42 AM
p.s what delays do you guys own? are u talking from experince of owning the ones you've recommended?
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: Telerocker on November 21, 2010, 03:01:51 AM
I have an old Ibanez AD9 (1981) and and quite old Boss DD2, but saving for ...so much... but also a Strymon. Not cheap, but great sounds.
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 21, 2010, 04:28:28 AM
I'm considering this as well:

http://uk.line6.com/tonecore/echoPark.html
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: hunter on November 21, 2010, 06:10:00 AM
I have a Providence Delay 80s and since recently a Korg DL8000R.
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: Mr. Air on November 21, 2010, 11:50:30 AM
I got the Nova Repeater and has also owned the T-Rex Replica. The Replica sounded really good, but didn't have much features and the tap tempo didn't work propperly hence I changed to the Repeater.

The Nova Repeater does an ok job imitating a tape echo to my ears.
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: Spitfire on November 21, 2010, 01:40:14 PM
I had a nova delay, it was very nice.. did everything i wanted of it.. but its expensive and did too much really.. so i sold it and now have a byoc delay.. bare bones straight to the point delay
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: hunter on November 21, 2010, 06:03:46 PM

Actually it's important to know if you use it up front or in the loop.

In the loop some amps work better with some pedals than others. My Providence is a top notch delay pedal, but in some amps it's overloading. I can compensate with a Ebtech Line Level Shifter, but it's losing some tone.

The Eventide can be switched between Line and Instrument levels, which is great.

If you wanna use it in the loop, I would order online via Thomann or so, where you can ship it back in case it doesn't harmonise with your setup.
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 21, 2010, 06:25:19 PM
I'm going to be using it in front of the amp, I use a clean but slightly overdiven amp sound, mostly on a Fender Champion 600 and live a vox with 2 channels the VR30 (an ac30 clone). However, I'll also be using it for re-amping in my recording studio to add stereo delay to things like synths and vocal tracks, even snare drums in dub style tracks so it needs to be really versitle ideally, I keep switching between the strymon and the TC nova, the TC has a beautifull modulated and clean delay that'd be good to add ambience to a track but the strymon has something magic about it, it's a lot more money I'll have to wait til they get more in stock and import it from the usa then pay custom costs etc, I dislike the way there is no presets on the strymon too and it can only do one thing....

lol this could take a while to choose!
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 21, 2010, 07:04:15 PM

If you wanna use it in the loop, I would order online via Thomann or so, where you can ship it back in case it doesn't harmonise with your setup.

whoa I didn't know they let u do that, that's pretty cool!
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: juansolo on November 21, 2010, 07:08:57 PM
I really rate the BYOC ping-pong delay (can also be used as a regular delay). I have that runnning 18v in the loop on the amp. I also have a G-Sharp in there with it that I suspect is along the lines of the Nova system stuff and is really very nice (especially at the £20 or so it cost me :) ).
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 21, 2010, 07:11:11 PM
I had a nova delay, it was very nice.. did everything i wanted of it.. but its expensive and did too much really.. so i sold it and now have a byoc delay.. bare bones straight to the point delay

the one I've got now the EHX memory toy is a good simple one but that's exactly why I don't like it, I like the TC for the reasons why u don't like it, I'm sure your byoc is better tho, the quality of the EHX memory toy repeats is really really bad, it sucks! literally sounds like it's slightly bitcrushed
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 21, 2010, 07:17:59 PM
I really rate the BYOC ping-pong delay (can also be used as a regular delay). I have that runnning 18v in the loop on the amp. I also have a G-Sharp in there with it that I suspect is along the lines of the Nova system stuff and is really very nice (especially at the £20 or so it cost me :) ).

problem with byoc is the temtation to get ridiculously expensive parts for example jensen transformers even though you aren't supposed to, how was building it? does it use a seperate 18v powersupply?
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: juansolo on November 22, 2010, 08:43:42 AM
I really rate the BYOC ping-pong delay (can also be used as a regular delay). I have that runnning 18v in the loop on the amp. I also have a G-Sharp in there with it that I suspect is along the lines of the Nova system stuff and is really very nice (especially at the £20 or so it cost me :) ).

problem with byoc is the temtation to get ridiculously expensive parts for example jensen transformers even though you aren't supposed to, how was building it? does it use a seperate 18v powersupply?

It's just a regular stomp. You just omit and bridge one resistor to run it at 18v. All the parts that come with it are fine.
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: Ratrod on November 22, 2010, 12:10:26 PM
I spotted the El Capistan a couple of weeks ago. It's very impressive but I'm not trading in my Boss RE-20 just yet.

Another great echo/delay is the BBE Two Timer. You can set two delay times and switch between them, for the rest it's a dead on copy of the old DM-2.
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 22, 2010, 08:49:52 PM
I spotted the El Capistan a couple of weeks ago. It's very impressive but I'm not trading in my Boss RE-20 just yet.

Another great echo/delay is the BBE Two Timer. You can set two delay times and switch between them, for the rest it's a dead on copy of the old DM-2.

have just been listening to the Brigadier and it's really growing on me, I read the manual and it can do everything I want and isn't too complicated, it just very well might be the one. I'm not sure about the el capistan, the main reason being that I'm not sure I want too much character in the delays, for some music it'd be perfect, wheras the brigadier would be good for a lot of different styles, it can do up to 5 seconds! it sounds similar to the dm-2 which i really like
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 22, 2010, 08:58:14 PM
I'm thinking of taking the plunge guys and buying the brigadier, I could get one right now, what do you think guys?
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: Telerocker on November 23, 2010, 12:48:13 AM
I think the Brigadier is very fine tool. Would love that one in my setup, but first have to sell some pedals....
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 23, 2010, 10:20:20 PM
I think the Brigadier is very fine tool. Would love that one in my setup, but first have to sell some pedals....

I did it! excitement is an understatement, it's arriving tomorrow! I'll be posting clips on here and can't wait to show the thing off, check out the players page over the next few days...
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: Telerocker on November 24, 2010, 12:38:12 AM
Clips would be nice. There are great democlips on the Strymon-webpage. I also am impressed by the reverbpedal. The harmonics on the long settings are amazing.
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: asianaxeman on November 25, 2010, 12:49:08 AM
tc nova, best bang for your buck. about 7 delays in 1 because of the presets, tap tempo, stereo outs for the studio or stereo amp setup.
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: hunter on November 26, 2010, 03:12:18 PM
I think the Brigadier is very fine tool. Would love that one in my setup, but first have to sell some pedals....

I did it! excitement is an understatement, it's arriving tomorrow! I'll be posting clips on here and can't wait to show the thing off, check out the players page over the next few days...

So how is it? You happy?
Title: Re: What Delay should I go for?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 27, 2010, 01:30:04 AM
I think the Brigadier is very fine tool. Would love that one in my setup, but first have to sell some pedals....

I did it! excitement is an understatement, it's arriving tomorrow! I'll be posting clips on here and can't wait to show the thing off, check out the players page over the next few days...

So how is it? You happy?

yes very happy indeed, the quality is superfluous, it was worth every penny, it does everything I need it to do no more no less, it helps me want to play instead of messing about with presets etc, it's better than real analog, the attention to detail is something else though, they really have thought it through, I have literally tried hard to get a bad sound out of it and it's not possible! I was trying it through a dirty amp today and it still cuts through, and it never ever sounds harsh, even when pushed hard....

the quality of modulation is really nice as well, I was using it as a chorus pedal and it sounds better than 95% of chorus pedals, same with vibrato, it's warm and analog but without the noise, very lush and analog, you'd swear that it's not digital

thanks very much for the recommendation, you were spot on hunter!