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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: gwEm on December 12, 2010, 01:06:00 AM
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couple of funny situations this week. got chatting about guitars with some peeps, anyway got some unexpectedly strong reactions.
at my work's christmas do: 'flying v? i think thats the only guitar i really look down on'
and tonight at a house party: 'you cant get a more ostentatious guitar'
well, naturally i don't care too much about those thoughts, but it has got me thinking, i guess people do make judgements based on what instrument you play... roo and his anti-tele fetish for example. and it seems a lot of people dislike Vs too.
i can't imagine some one being anti- les paul, stratocaster or SG for example. anyone else been in such a situation?
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Its hardly a 'situation' really.
Youre on the flipside of it and thats accentuated the apparent importance of the comments. Going for one body shape is a bit unusual.
Granted I've done similarly, but never set out to: I play superstrat shaped guitars because of the ergonomics. I've had other shapes, but always come back to that one because it just meshes with me best. Explorers in second place because they're comfortable except slothing around on the couch!
I suppose a lot of guitars have a strong connection to particular styles. While theres nothing written in stone that you have to play cheesy 80s metal on a V or cant play death metal on a 335, those connections are there, and people form a lot of their asthetic judgment of a guitar based on that musical connection and their opinion of the music. Its no big deal, surely?
It is interesting when the bias is removed, though; my nan once commented that my guitar was great looking. The guitar in question is a jackson DX1, my nans a fundamentalist christian (or was until she *totally* lost her mind) and thinks that metal is the music of a genuine literal satan. I'm pretty sure she wouldnt like the guitar if she knew the musical ascociation :lol:
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The closest I get to guitar prejudice is this...
(http://api.ning.com/files/MCZJW*2WZ0GLB43V0e0eb2ESSXyL-0UIQ6Ze5T490uUXBTF9NghHrENbmR7GNJUn6*ZJJ3WBTW4ACKr9SQ3Q5zr879HiO-gu/RockinanewDimeRazorbackDeanloudasfukGuitarCenteronSunset.jpg)
C*NT + DEAN RAZORBACK = TYPICAL DEAN RAZORBACK OWNER :? :x
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No veto's on guitars for me. Everyone should play the guitar that fits his style and technique. Strats en tele's work in the bands I'm playing now. I fell in love with singlecoils again. Had a '89 Jem FP, but I couldn't stand the floyd and stringchangeprocedure anymore. Also the singlecoilpositions 2 and 4 were whimpy compared to my superstrat. Missed the real stratattack on the lower strings. The Jem was made for heavy rock/metal and not really suitable for my coverbands.
I appreciate Les Pauls for classic rock and hardrock, and the looks of cours. But most of them are to heavy for me. V's are cool, but I never got on well with the necks. An natural korina Explorer with white plate is the only Gibson I'm really GASing on.
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Guitarists in general are a very conservative lot! play what you like, don't worry about it,some people can only see as far as LPs and Strats, thats their problem.
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When my aunt saw my LPB relic strat she called it "a load of old tat" and "a waste of money".
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The closest I get to guitar prejudice is this...
(http://api.ning.com/files/MCZJW*2WZ0GLB43V0e0eb2ESSXyL-0UIQ6Ze5T490uUXBTF9NghHrENbmR7GNJUn6*ZJJ3WBTW4ACKr9SQ3Q5zr879HiO-gu/RockinanewDimeRazorbackDeanloudasfukGuitarCenteronSunset.jpg)
C*NT + DEAN RAZORBACK = TYPICAL DEAN RAZORBACK OWNER :? :x
I agree this comes close to raising feelings of guitar racism in me, but in general I kinda exercise a bemused "live and let live" attitude to what folks want to play...
So, you don't get anymore prejudice now you've calmed down then, Dave? And what made you you see the light and change your image in the first place? It is a bit harsh calling yourself a C*NT though... you were just misguided... have you still got the guitar, btw?
:lol:
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telecasters should be wiped out of existence :grrr:
they sound annoying, ear piercing and noticeably out of tune in the bridge position (that plate seems to vibrate in a different tone or something)
they look cheap and really bad designed, like Leo Fender was bored and lazy, so he didn't finish the guitar body and headstock
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There aren't many guitars I simply won't touch because of how they look. I used to but then I grew up and realised that everything is useful for something and the feel of different types of guitars makes for interesting playing.
I tend to stick with what is comfortable though. To me there's nothing more comfortable than a Strat body, the necks differ because I love big fat necks but I grew up always having a Strat near by.
What I won't play or should I say, don't find interesting are guitars with EMGs and Floyd Roses. There are so many companies using this configuration that I find it a bit lazy. I also seem to associate it with metal players who appear in Total Guitar every week and are around the age of 15 to 25.
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The biggest issue I've come across seems to be towards PRS guitars. Owners love them, lots of folk think they're flash with no substance :roll:
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Most of us love a good LP, however I know which I prefer hanging around my neck on a long gig! with todays amps and fx the gap is very close.
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used to hate LP's for some unknown reason, cos i always thought they looked kinda cool.. now my bassist has a LP Custom copy and it looks fuggin awesome on me, so i'm planning on one, when i have the cash..
same with that Flying V i wanted to order from jonathan ages ago.. they're gonna be twins hehehe..
as far as other prejudices against guitars go.. i dont like some shapes cos they look goofy, but i dont hate them. the only guitars i REALLY despise are ALL Deans, because the owners of them are usually retarded and/ or ####!!s. plus their new line is ugly as shite and their marketing needs a moral checkup.
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I actually have a few main dislikes of certain guitars.
Anything Fender just looks cheap and half finished, anything BC Rich just looks like something a 13 year old should play and Deans are also in that same category.
But nothing in my opinion is worse than that shitety horrible Cricket bat steinberger thing.
But yeah everything else looks decent :P
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About the only thing's I wouldn't play just based on looks would be some of the more 'out there' metal shaped BC Richs and the Dean Razorbacks, although I did have an ML years ago.
I know a guy on another forum that has such a severe hate of anything that isn't an LP or SG that he makes Roo look like he loves Teles! :lol:
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The biggest issue I've come across seems to be towards PRS guitars. Owners love them, lots of folk think they're flash with no substance :roll:
i guess they do have that lawyer guitar image.. that does put me off owning one, even if i don't mind the look myself, and think they have some very interesting models.
But nothing in my opinion is worse than that shiteeety horrible Cricket bat steinberger thing.
ah - another of my favourite guitars :D
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The biggest issue I've come across seems to be towards PRS guitars. Owners love them, lots of folk think they're flash with no substance :roll:
No Dave it's not like that. Some of my best friends are PRSs
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The biggest issue I've come across seems to be towards PRS guitars. Owners love them, lots of folk think they're flash with no substance :roll:
i guess they do have that lawyer guitar image.. that does put me off owning one, even if i don't mind the look myself, and think they have some very interesting models.
But nothing in my opinion is worse than that shiteeeety horrible Cricket bat steinberger thing.
ah - another of my favourite guitars :D
Hehe sorry about that :P Also i agree PRS are just for posers with too much money. They do however look very nice but they aren't really a gutiar you would want to take out and gig.
I imagine if a PRS owner got a slight knock to the guitar that didn't even dent the guitar just slightly scuffed the finish that they would have a complete breakdown.
But that's just my views
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heres a PRS I like:
(http://www.gbase.com/files/store_images/gear/2050503/p1_uu0kt4cru_so.jpg)
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That's a nice one gwEm - I do like it.
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The biggest issue I've come across seems to be towards PRS guitars. Owners love them, lots of folk think they're flash with no substance :roll:
i guess they do have that lawyer guitar image.. that does put me off owning one, even if i don't mind the look myself, and think they have some very interesting models.
Also i agree PRS are just for posers with too much money. They do however look very nice but they aren't really a gutiar you would want to take out and gig.
I buy PRS guitars, so I guess that's me.
But I don't think I have "too much money". I have a job, I get paid for it. It's more than some people get paid, a very great deal less than some other people get paid. I don't have a big mortgage. I don't have a family. I don't smoke, don't do drugs, don't drink very much. I don't go away on holidays. I don't have a car. I don't rack up debts buying things I can't afford. So... "too much money"? No. I suppose I could think about asking for a pay cut..... but I don't think I will.
And a poser? Hmmm... I could be called a lot of things. I'm not cool or popular or good looking. I'm a very bad guitar player. I'm a terrible procrastinator. I'm afraid of risk-taking. I'm short-tempered. I'm an opinionated little shite sometimes. But a poser? No.
Go and try some PRS guitars. Close your eyes so you're not distracted by the pretty maple and bird inlays. See how they feel, hear how they sound. They're made by people who understand - and care - a lot more about what really makes a good guitar than 90% of other guitar manufacturers.
(Sorry, I know I'm being too serious. I'm not having a go at you personally, Tony. But the whole "lawyer guitar" thing pisses me off and these posts got me fired up.)
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Well said Philly. Couldn't have said it better myself!
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The biggest issue I've come across seems to be towards PRS guitars. Owners love them, lots of folk think they're flash with no substance :roll:
i guess they do have that lawyer guitar image.. that does put me off owning one, even if i don't mind the look myself, and think they have some very interesting models.
Also i agree PRS are just for posers with too much money. They do however look very nice but they aren't really a gutiar you would want to take out and gig.
I buy PRS guitars, so I guess that's me.
But I don't think I have "too much money". I have a job, I get paid for it. It's more than some people get paid, a very great deal less than some other people get paid. I don't have a big mortgage. I don't have a family. I don't smoke, don't do drugs, don't drink very much. I don't go away on holidays. I don't have a car. I don't rack up debts buying things I can't afford. So... "too much money"? No. I suppose I could think about asking for a pay cut..... but I don't think I will.
And a poser? Hmmm... I could be called a lot of things. I'm not cool or popular or good looking. I'm a very bad guitar player. I'm a terrible procrastinator. I'm afraid of risk-taking. I'm short-tempered. I'm an opinionated little shitee sometimes. But a poser? No.
Go and try some PRS guitars. Close your eyes so you're not distracted by the pretty maple and bird inlays. See how they feel, hear how they sound. They're made by people who understand - and care - a lot more about what really makes a good guitar than 90% of other guitar manufacturers.
(Sorry, I know I'm being too serious. I'm not having a go at you personally, Tony. But the whole "lawyer guitar" thing pisses me off and these posts got me fired up.)
Well said mate.
I own a PRS too, I don't have alot of money and I'm not a poser. I work very hard for my money, sometimes I don't even get a lot for the amount of work I put in but I save a lot of my money. Most of my money goes on my car or paying regular things like my phone bill and rent so what I have left goes towards things I want.
I bought the PRS because it's a very very well made guitar that's incredibly comfortable to play and sounds amazing. Why wouldn't I buy it? and it's not even a fancy looking guitar, it has dot inlays and a plain mahogany body. I'd love one of the new Custom 24's but that's money I can't spend.
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(Sorry, I know I'm being too serious. I'm not having a go at you personally, Tony. But the whole "lawyer guitar" thing pisses me off and these posts got me fired up.)
Apologies for bringing up the whole lawyer thing. I have to say I was similarly fired up by the whole anti-V discussions I've had over the last week hence my first post.
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I have no guitars I hate, but I would never consider getting one of the Razorback or Warlock styles of guitars, as they really do nothing for me. I do have a couple of Mockingbirds though and also an Explorer and Firebird (and Thunderbird bass). I've had V's in the past and will probably end up with one again at some point. I don't play out much anymore, but the last time I did I was using a PRS Standard and a 1953 Les Paul conversion. I know some of the PRS guitars are ridiculous (the Dragon series), but the majority are really nice guitars (I have 4 and I am looking at a couple more!). I tried a Dean Soltero but didn't like it enough to buy it (though I like the design). I also like the Collings electric range, but the prices are higher the PRS's (interesting that no-one calls them lawyers guitars). When I was younger I wasn't keen on Tele's (having only played 70's ones), but then I tried a 50's and it was great. Since then I have found that they are great for many sounds and styles. You have to try the guitar to see if it works for you.
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(Sorry, I know I'm being too serious. I'm not having a go at you personally, Tony. But the whole "lawyer guitar" thing pisses me off and these posts got me fired up.)
Apologies for bringing up the whole lawyer thing. I have to say I was similarly fired up by the whole anti-V discussions I've had over the last week hence my first post.
No apologies needed, G. It's good to vent. :wink:
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I'm no gigantic fan of PRS, but I agree with what philly's saying. I mean you can pick up a PRS for less than a grand now. I'm not saying that's pocket change, and if you're on the breadline you're not affording it (but then again if you're on the breadline you're not affording non-lawyer guitars either), but most people anywhere around average wage could easily afford one if they were willing to do without something else (smoking or drinking being the two obvious ones). If you're not willing to give that up, that's fair enough, but don't act like (at least some of the) PRS owners have some kind of extra income if they don't smoke or drink.
I disagree with disregarding a guitar because of how it looks or how you think it'll sound. It just doesn't make much sense. No-one's saying you have to buy it, but some people act like it'll affect their good name if they even so much as try it... :lol:
Also I thought this thread was about where guitars were made. Good job it wasn't, that's a much more involved discussion :lol:
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Interesting comment about PRS not being 'gigging' guitars - I have a Custom 22 - will do Les Paul & fair Strat sounds, rock solid tuning and very comfortable to wear/play - if I had to pick one of mine to play a gig with, I'd go for the PRS over my LP, Strats or SG
Mike
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Whoa i didn't expect such a big response to that :P
I wasn't meaning to offend anyone i was just commenting on people that i know who own PRS.
And i have played them and to be honest they dont really do anything for me. I can admit that they are well made guitars but they aren't much use to me and the people i know who own them do have too much money :P.
Then again i have only played the £1600+ PRS guitars and just found them to not be any good for me.
I think the main thing i dislike is the odd bridges and overall odd look of the guitars (i do however like the finishes)
Sorry again Philly and anyone else i may have offended
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I wouldn't BUY a PRS unless it was cheap, but I'm already in my second McCarty that I got in trades
it's a wonderful guitar and plays really well, but I still love Les Pauls better, although the McCarty is more resonant and open sounding
this guitar was heavily beaten up and had the neck pulled out from the neck joint and reglued twice and it's still far better than 95% of the guitars I've played, including the other mint condition 2001 McCarty I had (this one is a '96)
my main guitar is still my '73 Les Paul Custom, though
best and thinnest les paul neck I've seen (thinner than the slim taper profile)
it's a very dense, focused and huge sounding les paul, but no near as resonant, loud and organic sounding as the PRS
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i can't imagine some one being anti- les paul, stratocaster or SG for example. anyone else been in such a situation?
Man, I hatehatehate SG's.
Strats have their place.
SuperStrats have their place.
Les Pauls have their place.
Teles have their place.
Flying Vs have their place.
Explorers have their place.
SGs are just fugly as hell, and they don't do anything soundwise you can't do with at least half of the guitars mentioned.
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someone needs to photoshop some bird inlays onto a nice flying V for gwEm
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The closest I get to guitar prejudice is this...
(http://api.ning.com/files/MCZJW*2WZ0GLB43V0e0eb2ESSXyL-0UIQ6Ze5T490uUXBTF9NghHrENbmR7GNJUn6*ZJJ3WBTW4ACKr9SQ3Q5zr879HiO-gu/RockinanewDimeRazorbackDeanloudasfukGuitarCenteronSunset.jpg)
C*NT + DEAN RAZORBACK = TYPICAL DEAN RAZORBACK OWNER :? :x
I agree this comes close to raising feelings of guitar racism in me, but in general I kinda exercise a bemused "live and let live" attitude to what folks want to play...
So, you don't get anymore prejudice now you've calmed down then, Dave? And what made you you see the light and change your image in the first place? It is a bit harsh calling yourself a C*NT though... you were just misguided... have you still got the guitar, btw?
:lol:
You've really made my day Andy! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I am a bit like Andy-I am a "live and let live" merchant. I don't "hate" guitars because of their shape.Some I dislike ( and that applies to V's I am afraid gwEm) but it is simple- no-one forces anyone to buy a particular guitar. I am also aware that opinions can change. I once disliked the SG but I like them now-unlikely to buy one but who knows? if one came along at the right price I could well do. Also the thing that others "hate" the "unfinished" look of Tele's-well I wouldn't put it that way but the simple basic looks of the Tele is what appeals to me now.
As for PRS, well I have played a few and found every one to be a superb instrument . It really doesn't bother me if they are pricey -they are well made quality guitars so why wouldn't they be at the higher end of price ranges for guitars generally.
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Lots of PRS have their price, but Gibson and Fender Customshops aren't bargains either. Quality must be paid.
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I don't think I really need to vent my spleen any more than I already do on these forums, so I just thought I'd pop in to say 'hi'.
Hi.
Roo
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Hi Roo.
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The fact that my Custom 22 has a relatively bad ding on the top is the ONLY reason I could afford it in the 1st place!
When I went to view it the guy said he opened the case to about 5 people and all of them turned it down because of the ding. Which may go someway to identify the type of people that usually buy PRS' :lol:
I got my Custom 22 for £650 and it's the only 1 I've ever found that I can afford as I don't have thousands of £s just laying around, and I'd also have no qualms at all about taking it out gigging 8)
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Hehe sorry about that :P Also i agree PRS are just for posers with too much money. They do however look very nice but they aren't really a gutiar you would want to take out and gig.
I imagine if a PRS owner got a slight knock to the guitar that didn't even dent the guitar just slightly scuffed the finish that they would have a complete breakdown.
But that's just my views
Indeed they're your views, but not everyone is like that.
(Note: this example isn't about bragging rights, but just to give an alternative view)
I have a £4000 PRS Modern Eagle. It's been gigged several times (Matt77 and shobet have seen me gig it) and it currently has tarnished gold hardware, a rusting bridge post and tarnished pickup covers. There's a small ding in the top and also one on the rear top edge. It gets played regularly and anyone who comes to my place has it thrust in their hands to try out (as Ian Price knows!)
PRS make superb guitars, built for regular use, and that's what a large proportion of the owners do with them. As PhillyQ mentioned earlier, everyone should try one out with an open mind. When people do, they tend to buy them.
Finally, here's the most used PRS I know. It's a 1986 PRS Guitar (or pre-standard) that's been with the same owner from new. It's still his #1.
For those who've not met him before, may I introduce "Casper"......
http://toneaddict.com/prs1more.html
(http://toneaddict.com/casper309.jpg)
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He's a PRS endorsee though, so it's hardly representative of the majority of guitar players out there.
At the end of the day though, who gives a monkeys chuff what the guitar is or what it looks like, as long as it's yours and you're happy with it, who gives a $%&#.
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Whose PRS is that? I must confess, I don't recognise it.
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I really like that "beaten" PRS... (not the knobs though) :?
Shame so few seem to get to that stage.
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My guitar is better than all of yours anyway, so there.
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Just looked at that PRS owners sight and he appears to have OVER 20 of them plus many others! ... and if he is an endorser that kinda does diminish its applicability...
Still nice to see though!
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I like the PRS's I've tried, they are always really nice playing and sounding guitars.
If you like and want to pay extra for the PRS bling, fancy tops and bird inlays that's fine too but I prefer more basic, humble looking guitars. I do therefore like the starla and the SE Singlecut Korina and have no issue that they are PRS.
I don't think they are particularily expensive either for what they are, but you have to judge the price on the fancy appointments. To that end you can get much cheaper guitars that play, feel and sound as nice as a decent PRS but without expensive extras.
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As PhillyQ mentioned earlier, everyone should try one out with an open mind. When people do, they tend to buy them.
Anyone who's ever worked in a guitar shop knows you're incorrect, I'm afraid. The overwhelming majority of people who I've ever seen try out PRS's have reacted with "oh, thought it would be better than that, for all that money".
On topic, I've disliked lots of guitars over the years, but having been fortunate enough to play huge numbers of guitars through selling them for years, I've encountered belters from every mold, and have little bias these days.
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I played one of Twinfans PRS's a while back, and it was a great guitar. For me though, the styling of the "expensive" PRS's just doesn't do it for me at all.
Having said that, I do adore the look of the Mira. My next guitar will deffo be one of those, or possibly a double cut LP. Or a Hamer...
Guitar racism though... hmmm... Personally, if it's got strings I'm pretty much in love with it. Racism implies a kinda hatred that I could ever feel for a guitar. Even a Dean...
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My guitar is better than all of yours anyway, so there.
of course it is ;)
but after having a pretty close gander i can say twinfan's modern eagle is worth evey penny.
PRS dont really do it for me in general - but i have met quite a few exceptions to that (including twinfans modern eagle which i gawped at for quite a while!)
i have not brought one because i cant afford it at the moment (a real shame with some of the amazing second hand prices in the last year or two)- but i will get a PRS one day - and it will probably be a rather plain and slightly battered version when i do
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i was always indifferent to the PRS.
I do really like the Mira though.
there is something about most of there other guitars that's puts me off.
I'm not that into the DBZ guitars and similar where CNCs are use to make crazy cuts.
its snazzy, but its almost like... ok... we got a CNC machine, lets do loads of fiddly bits that don't make sense.
fake croc skin effect carved into the body is a no no for me.
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only guitars i dont really like are impractical ones
so stuff like a vai flame would be top of the list:
(http://www.ibanezjem.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/-52942706173743190.jpg)
anything where the design creates structural problems. I have nearly gotten over my dislike of SG's for this reason but still think they are infinately better as through necks
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Why are SGs problematic constructionally? That shallow neck joint?
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only guitars i dont really like are impractical ones
so stuff like a vai flame would be top of the list:
(http://www.ibanezjem.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/-52942706173743190.jpg)
anything where the design creates structural problems. I have nearly gotten over my dislike of SG's for this reason but still think they are infinately better as through necks
kind of reminds me of minarik. through body 3 necks and all that.
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yes, its the neck in general i have issues with... a very short tennon with a particularly long neck free of the body. These things are perfectly possibly but work so much better with a few modern techniques gibson have not yet started to use.
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yes, its the neck in general i have issues with... a very short tennon with a particularly long neck free of the body. These things are perfectly possibly but work so much better with a few modern techniques gibson have not yet started to use.
Yeah, I love SGs but I've started to worry about the neck joints. The joint on the modern SG Standard seems pretty robust but the early '60s box joints are definitely dodgy - the tenon is short and even the body wood surrounding the neck is weak because of the deep cutaways. I've had two Tokai SGs now with lacquer cracking round the joint and even though they seemed pretty solid, the cracks suggest there's some movement.
A through neck or even a very long "set-through" tenon seems like a good idea.
Having said all that, doublecut PRS and Hamer guitars don't have a massive amount of the neck glued into the body - I guess tighter tolerances help, and there's greater body depth, so there's more surface area of wood actually glued (as compared with an SG)?
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Imagine if you treated your SGs the way Jake E Lee did... Push on the headstock, palm on the top horn.. Instant divebomb! :? :o
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Imagine if you treated your SGs the way Jake E Lee did... Push on the headstock, palm on the top horn.. Instant divebomb! :? :o
Can you imagine me doing that? (answer: No)
I have tried it - just a little - and you can really feel the potential for instant breakage. More at the headstock than the neck joint, though.
Wasn't there a story about Slash(?) doing the same thing with a Les Paul and getting hit - very hard - in the mouth when the neck snapped?
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I pretty much like all guitar styles with the exception of the BC Rich's and Deans extreme styles. I did see some awful guitars on a Stand next to Feline at the 2007 LGS. All dungeons and dragons. Someone wasted a lot of money making those things.
I've only tried one PRS and that was one of Dave's at a BKP meet last year. I thought it was a lovely guitar to play. They are pricey though and would probably go custom again if I had that kind of money to spend on a guitar.
I used to hate Tele's when I was younger and I've just bought one so I think your tastes can change as you get older.
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So you can't do this with an SG?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMW0t17Ft5o (Go to about 4:15)
I doubt there's many guitars you can do that with....
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The old PRS I posted earlier does belong to an endorsee, and he's been with them from the early days.
BUT.
That white guitar he bought and paid for himself, from a regular shop, and he's in a very popular and hard working covers band in the US. His endorsee status came about because he loved Casper so much, and had regular links to Paul and guys when they were small.
I still really don't understand why PRS guitars get such a hard time :?
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I still really don't understand why PRS guitars get such a hard time :?
+1 - Perhaps they should do a road worn or relic range :)
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I think they are great guitars but it's this really high price stuff that alienates so many:
http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=en&q=prs&price1=1,500.00&scoring=pd
Then there's Knaggs............
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:lol:
I'd love to see a VOS-style '85 resissue in Vintage Yellow but it won't happen. Paul's belief is that guitars should be aged by the owner, so he's said he's not interested in doing a relic range. Although they have done a clone relic job of Paul's original '57, so they CAN do it:
http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2010/Nov/Experience_PRS_2010.aspx?Page=2
"There was also a main-stage Quest for Tone demo/comparison of new PRS guitars against a Holy Grail-caliber ’50s goldtop Les Paul and a sunburst ’50s Strat. But perhaps the most talked-about moment of the weekend involved Paul Reed Smith tossing that same a late-’50s goldtop Les Paul back and forth with employees. Audience members shrieked and gasped while peeking at the madness through the cracks of their fingers. As it turns out, the goldtop was a Gibson reissue that Paul’s team had done a relic job on so it matched the vintage Les Paul from the Quest for Tone demo. People who saw the guitar up close say it was spot-on. Smith’s point: PRS is capable, but has decided not to offer relic’ing because they believe owners should put wear and tear on instruments by playing them."
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I am a "live and let live" merchant. I am also aware that opinions can change.
+1 on both points.
Which may go someway to identify the type of people that usually buy PRS' :lol:
Is there something wrong with not liking dings in guitars? I don't like dings in guitars, and I don't own any PRSes. :?
FWIW, I think PRSes are too pricey for how good they are (if I were willing to spend that amount of money on one guitar I'd get something else), but I have no problem with people spending that amount of money on a guitar, which a lot of the PRS haters seem to have a problem with. Then another bunch of PRS haters have no problem with spending as much if not more money on a Fender or Gibson, which I really don't understand... :lol:
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^ exactly Dave! PRS haters are an odd bunch, making their own rules up as they go along :lol:
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yeah :lol:
Don't get me wrong, if I had limitless funds I'd have a PRS or 2 in there, but if I had enough money for just one super-guitar... I'd probably get a tyler or something like that (assuming I had to buy something off the shelf).
EDIT: I have to confess those Mira Xes at £700 had me interested for a while, but I couldn't try them first :lol:
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Is there something wrong with not liking dings in guitars? I don't like dings in guitars, and I don't own any PRSes. :?
FWIW, I think PRSes are too pricey for how good they are (if I were willing to spend that amount of money on one guitar I'd get something else), but I have no problem with people spending that amount of money on a guitar, which a lot of the PRS haters seem to have a problem with. Then another bunch of PRS haters have no problem with spending as much if not more money on a Fender or Gibson, which I really don't understand... :lol:
I'm not a massive fan of dings in guitars either, but I live in the real world and know that stuff like that happens.
I just think that to turn down a guitar at that (comparatively speaking) 'cheap' price because of a ding in the top is crazy. Ah well, their loss was my gain! :lol:
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People who saw the guitar up close say it was spot-on. Smith’s point: PRS is capable, but has decided not to offer relic’ing because they believe owners should put wear and tear on instruments by playing them."
What a fanny. Look at us, we're great and can do this but we're not going to.
Why bother? Why not just say we've no interest in doing it. No one is going to think they're only not going to because they're not capable.
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I get the impression it was also a display of the skills of their finish guys...
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They make the ruddy Dragon guitars, what bigger advert do they need. :lol:
Seems awfully silly, to me. They're PRS, people are well aware of what they can do in terms of finishes, they don't need to garner themselves relic bragging-rights. Dafties.
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we all like to play around with projects every now and again - i guess the R&D guys at PRS are no different.
whats wrong with them trying something different, but then deciding its not the direction they want to take the company?
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Absolutely nothing. Parading it around in the way Smith's quote suggests is odd, though.
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I'm not a massive fan of dings in guitars either, but I live in the real world and know that stuff like that happens.
I just think that to turn down a guitar at that (comparatively speaking) 'cheap' price because of a ding in the top is crazy. Ah well, their loss was my gain! :lol:
fair enough, just from the way you said it it sounded like you thought people were mad if they didn't like dings in their guitars :lol:
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Absolutely nothing. Parading it around in the way Smith's quote suggests is odd, though.
I'm not sure it is a quote as such, perhaps just someone else's interpretation of whatever Smith actually said. My impression was that they've done it as an experiment, not that they're really bragging about doing it.
Smith’s point: PRS is capable, but has decided not to offer relic’ing because they believe owners should put wear and tear on instruments by playing them."
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yeah, i bet its more a case of them frequently being asked if they would do a relic... and replying that they have considered and even experimented with it, but decided it wasnt for them
PRS likes talking guitars - i can imagine him responding that way rather than the 'wouldn't you like to know' response you would get from other companies
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Interesting how this thread has gone - I spose it had to... :lol:
I find it hard to understand how any guitarist could "hate" any type or make of guitar. I can easily understand how you can end up hating a particular guitar that does you wrong (won't set up, always breaks strings, etc...)
Obviously there are some guitar designs that are somewhat "individual" and most of us wouldn't be seen dead wearing them... but hate them?
And seeing as there seems to be some PRS banter going down... Are there really "PRS haters" out there? Or is it just the way they're talking-up or exaggerating a feeling of "not for me"?
I'm not sure there's anything that needs defending. My favourite guitar is a strat. Lots of people don't get on with one, some express it quite strongly, no worries - it's their problem. They're not missing anything that they want, that's cool. But why they should feel the need to go up against a HUGE number of folks who do seem to get on with one and who couldn't give a toss what other people think amazes me... they aren't going to convince the people who like strats, and the people who like strats just think they're somewhat daft... what are they gaining?
^ Substitute "strat" with "tele", "PRS", "Les Paul", "SG", "V", "Dean Razorback" (OK, that might be stretching it!), "Steinberger", whatever... it's all the same.
I'm kinda bemused :lol:
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I wouldn't say i HATE PRS i just wouldn't ever consider owning/buying or even playing another one of them.
They just don't work for me i guess they're a bit too 'polite' for my liking.
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Hate's a strong word, but plenty of people seem to have very strong feelings about them.....
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I dont hate any guitars per se, but I do get annoyed with companies that perpetuate designs that are difficult or impossible to work on for the sake of keeping true to tradition. Inaccessible truss rods is one such complaint.
Strats - my main issue
Also growing up in the 70s and 80s and seeing bands (hard rock, glam or metal) that used cool shape guitars, ranging from Vs and Explorers to Iceman and the cool (old) BC Rich shapes, i was always looking forward to sseing a new tour and seeing what great colourful creations that the players would be using , only to find that they had "grown up", "matured" and lost their sense of flash, and often lost their firepower too and were now playing old Fender strats instead of their usual guitars.
It was just so boring and unimaginative to my outlook .
I like a lot of strats and love how some play and sound (in fact I adore the recent Classic Vibe Squiers), and I see that Leo Fender really got so much right with that design in 1954.
I look at the guitars that I have (and have had) in my own arsenal and I seem to like a lot of the ones that divide opinion
I love Vs and Rhoads shapes
(I also love Les Pauls though it's true few dislike the shape of those even if they hate the weight)
I like certain superstrats and I have owned more than my fair share of Steinberger clones
BC Rich classics (Bich, Mockingbird, Stealth, Eagle and Warlock)
Iceman, Destroyer, Hamer Scarab, Explorer etc all float my boat
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fair enough, just from the way you said it it sounded like you thought people were mad if they didn't like dings in their guitars :lol:
Sorry, I didn't mean it to come across like that!
I was just trying to get the point across that even though I'm not a fan of dings etc, I still wouldn't turn down what could potentially be the best quality guitar I own for a good price just because of a small nick in the top and that several people that went to look at it before I did did turn it down.
Maybe I'm just fickle :lol:
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I have a dislike of Strats. They sound just fine but I hate playing them. The middle pickup gets in the way, the upper knob gets in the way and i don't like the vibrato unit either.
And everybody has one. I go to a jam and there are 4 other guitarists. 3 of them play a Strat and one an old Music Master. All of them use Marshall amplification.
A Strat is the VW Golf of guitars.
So I show up with a Gretsch and an Engl (Fender style) amp.
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Strats - my main issue
growing up in the 70s and 80s and seeing bands (hard rock, glam or metal) that used cool shape guitars, ranging from Vs....
... only to find that they had "grown up", "matured" and lost their sense of flash, and often lost their firepower too and were now playing old Fender strats instead of their usual guitars.
:oops: :oops:
my three favourite guitars getting hammered - Vs, Steinbergers and Strats... love it!
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Sorry, I didn't mean it to come across like that!
I was just trying to get the point across that even though I'm not a fan of dings etc, I still wouldn't turn down what could potentially be the best quality guitar I own for a good price just because of a small nick in the top and that several people that went to look at it before I did did turn it down.
Maybe I'm just fickle :lol:
no worries, that's fair enough- it does depend on the size of the ding, where it is, if it's gone through to the wood etc.
I'm just remembering a guitar shop here which had a (new) guitar with a ding they'd put in it (a big one, on the front, extremely noticeable), and they offered to throw off something daft like £80 (it was a £1400 guitar... I'd have expected to get at least that off a pristine one just by asking, at that kind of price :lol: ).
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You don't hear violinists or pianists complaining about how boring their instruments look!
Just accept it, Strats are the standard accepted shape for electric guitars :D
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You don't hear violinists or pianists complaining about how boring their instruments look!
Just accept it, Strats are the standard accepted shape for electric guitars :D
that all depends on the crowd really. I see more LP's/clones or nasty ass Deans out there when i go to gigs than i do strats.
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You don't hear violinists or pianists complaining about how boring their instruments look!
Just accept it, Strats are the standard accepted shape for electric guitars :D
Granted - strats, teles and Les pauls are the standard shapes
Remember I was only late teens and early 20s at the time, and wild looking guitars were exciting to me
Now I'm in my mid 40s and I have matured into liking classic flying Vs as opposed to Jackson Rhoads :D
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You don't hear violinists or pianists complaining about how boring their instruments look!
they're acoustic instruments, though (by and large), so the shape affects the tone considerably. While I'm not going to say shape doesn't affect electric guitar tone, it's much less of a problem.
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Got to say love sound of strats..just couldn't live with one...or tele's even had a feline tele couldn't live with it.
Yet other odd guitars I can like my dan armstrong plexi...although prob one of my favourite guitars is my duesy...basically a take on a LP shape...just far sweeter to play
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I just can't get excited with strats or LP's anymore. I sometimes see one that I like, but generally I just can't be arsed with them.
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I love pretty much all guitars, I'd happy have one of each 8)
I do prefer guitars to be a bit rough and ready though and not 100% perfectly set up in the sense that most people would like (low action, smooth frets). I seem to get more out of guitars where you have to dig in and wrestle with them a bit - weird I know.
My Les Paul plays the equivalent of driving down a cobbled road with knackered suspension, but I'm used to it. I'm sure a fret-dress would do wonders for it, but I might loose the feel I like about that guitar.
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I love pretty much all guitars, I'd happy have one of each 8)
I do prefer guitars to be a bit rough and ready though and not 100% perfectly set up in the sense that most people would like (low action, smooth frets). I seem to get more out of guitars where you have to dig in and wrestle with them a bit - weird I know.
My Les Paul plays the equivalent of driving down a cobbled road with knackered suspension, but I'm used to it. I'm sure a fret-dress would do wonders for it, but I might loose the feel I like about that guitar.
I have a friend who has a 80s Charvel that really badly needs a fret dress as in its got to the point that the frets are completely flat but not completely gone.
But he absolutely loves how it plays and is worried about getting it sorted incase he wont like the feel as much
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Sorry, I didn't mean it to come across like that!
I was just trying to get the point across that even though I'm not a fan of dings etc, I still wouldn't turn down what could potentially be the best quality guitar I own for a good price just because of a small nick in the top and that several people that went to look at it before I did did turn it down.
Maybe I'm just fickle :lol:
no worries, that's fair enough- it does depend on the size of the ding, where it is, if it's gone through to the wood etc.
I'm just remembering a guitar shop here which had a (new) guitar with a ding they'd put in it (a big one, on the front, extremely noticeable), and they offered to throw off something daft like £80 (it was a £1400 guitar... I'd have expected to get at least that off a pristine one just by asking, at that kind of price :lol: ).
The 1 on the guitar I got is pretty bad. Not too big, but it is quite deep. Ah well, the price eased the pain :lol:
£80 off a brand new expensive guitar cause of a ding, Id've thought more surely?!
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I have to admit BC Rich guitars are the only instruments where I'm guilty of "racism." Hate em so bad. I know the upper end models play like a dream, but I just can't get the average Slayer fan image out of my mind when I see one. I see a Bernie Rico Jr or a Neil Moser and it's not there. Moser guitars are way too much for me, but it's not the same thing. I see that BC Rich logo and I wanna turn around and walk away. I don't mind Slayer either. I guess this goes back to the "image" thing.
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I love the Mockingbird shape. Battle axe meets demon tongue.
I only like the Bich shape if it actually has 10 strings. That's what it was designed for.
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There's a new book coming out on guitar racism:-
"To Kill a BC Mockingbird"
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There's a new book coming out on guitar racism:-
"To Kill a BC Mockingbird"
:lol:
I think people hate guitars for the same reason they hate different races or football teams or anything else - they need a 'them' to define their 'us' by.
That said, I find relics utterly repulsive, and can't stand 'woody' guitars like Nolly's new blackmachine. That's one of the ugliest things I've seen in some time. It's not hate though, maybe disappointment would be the best word.
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Heathen! 'Woody' guitars, when made from good woods, look awesome.
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They can do occasionally. Your Aurora is an exception, it looks good. If the fretboard was simple black ebony I would say it looked great, but it's still good. And thinking about it it's hideous from the back :lol:
I think what it comes down to for me is subtlety, guitars with a lot of different wood grains and wood colours tend to look overly busy.
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The 1 on the guitar I got is pretty bad. Not too big, but it is quite deep. Ah well, the price eased the pain :lol:
£80 off a brand new expensive guitar cause of a ding, Id've thought more surely?!
yeah, exactly :lol: I was thinking they might come down to a price where I might be half-interested, and then i heard £80 off, and I nearly laughed...
I love the Mockingbird shape. Battle axe meets demon tongue.
+1
There's a new book coming out on guitar racism:-
"To Kill a BC Mockingbird"
hahahaha
Heathen! 'Woody' guitars, when made from good woods, look awesome.
+1
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What's weird is that I like "woody" guitars, but only as long as they're reasonably plain woods. I can appreciate fancy grains etc, Nolly's new one does look fab, but for me I prefer nice business-like looking wood.
It's a good job we all like different stuff :D
(Except maybe Christmas tree lights - I like multi-coloured coloured ones, the missus prefers white. At the moment, and for the last x years, she's been putting up with my choice, but when we put them up this year it felt like they might need replacing next year... I think I've got white ones in my future :lol:)
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What's weird is that I like "woody" guitars, but only as long as they're reasonably plain woods. I can appreciate fancy grains etc, Nolly's new one does look fab, but for me I prefer nice business-like looking wood.
It's a good job we all like different stuff :D
(Except maybe Christmas tree lights - I like multi-coloured coloured ones, the missus prefers white. At the moment, and for the last x years, she's been putting up with my choice, but when we put them up this year it felt like they might need replacing next year... I think I've got white ones in my future :lol:)
i too prefer multi coloured ones.
why not go out and get some white ones to throw up for her as a surprise :)
of course put the coloured ones on half the tree
:P
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That's not a bad idea (white ones) - except they won't fit on the tree. When we bought the current set (for our first Christmas together, aah...) she went "OK, coloured, this box then..." and I went "only 25? That's not enough!!" ...
I am reminded of this every year as we try to cram 50 lights on to a small tree!
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That's not a bad idea (white ones) - except they won't fit on the tree. When we bought the current set (for our first Christmas together, aah...) she went "OK, coloured, this box then..." and I went "only 25? That's not enough!!" ...
I am reminded of this every year as we try to cram 50 lights on to a small tree!
haha i have too made that mistake in the past
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There seems to be a lot of mention of PRS. And I agree with some people in this thread that there simply isn't anything in the range that takes my fancy.
But I just found this
http://www.guitarvillage.co.uk/product-detail.asp?id=10229&catid=3&manid=83&quantity=1&product=PRS+Hollowbody+12,+Vintage+Burst,+New,+Inc.+Case
My bank balance is saying 'OH NOES!'
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I think people hate guitars for the same reason they hate different races or football teams or anything else - they need a 'them' to define their 'us' by.
I think that's pretty much on the money
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I think people hate guitars for the same reason they hate different races or football teams or anything else - they need a 'them' to define their 'us' by.
I missed this until Jonathan just quoted it. I think those are fairly preposterous things to draw connections between.
Is that why people don't like certain paintings, or certain films, or certain music. They're aesthetic preferences for the most part, I don't know how you can draw a parallel between that and the tribal tendancies of certain groups of people.
EDIT: Though I accept some people will dislike certain specific guitars because of conventions, ie I wont play a tele cause those are for old guys or I can't play a razorback because I play jazz.
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^There's a pretty big difference between hating and disliking, is there not?
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Degrees of the same thing. Even if we take them as totally separate concepts, I'd still think it a bizarre comparison.
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There's maybe a sense of 'dislike' which is a degree of hate but I don't think that's the type of dislike people tend to have towards guitars, paintings and whatever. If I say I dislike a guitar it's because of an aesthetic preference but if I say I hate it that's expressing more than simply an extreme aesthetic preference. Hate suggests aggressiveness, the feeling that there's some sort of conflict going on.
Of course nobody quite speaks the same language in the end, but the thread is called 'guitar racism' so if we're talking past each other I'm on topic and you're not :lol:
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You go find someone who uses the word hate when referring to a guitar with the same underlying meaning as someone who says they hate jews :lol:
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You go find someone who uses the word hate when referring to a guitar with the same underlying meaning as someone who says they hate jews :lol:
Thankfully, they're pretty rare. They're also almost always thirteen, so try ultimate-guitar.com if you're looking for one.
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Jeesh I own a Steinberger GM1T and 3 PRSi, please don't banish me. They just felt right and still do. The steinberger has the transtrem which is amazing, a great thick neck, and is travelable like no other guitar (I used to make constant transcontinental trips in the US and wanted a guitar around, steiny was the only thing that fit in the over head bin on a plane). And the 3 PRSi fell into my lap at awesome prices and all have different setups, pickups, and purposes. So I guess that kind of defends it. I will say that some of the ESP, Schecter, Dean, and BC Rich guitars do raise my ire. Just feel they latched onto the metalcore kids like mad and are selling them inferior gear for a jacked up price. Oh and the Petrucci model Music Man, they have milked that cow for a decade now and show no signs of letting go of the teat. Yes he is great player and writes some great music but his legion of fans are utterly agitating, rebuilding his rigs piece by piece (making it hard for me to find a nice Mark V anywhere), buying every iteration of his signature guitars when the only change is the style of knobs, claiming what was essentially a Numetal pickup as the perfect tonal center to build a guitar around, etc.
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Ive got a bc rich WMD warbeast. Yeah it's a bit ott for some tastes and people seem to slate bc rich guitars just because of the name and because people have played ones that have been cr@p. Dunno if i got lucky but the one i own is a real great guitar. Its very well finished. The neck on it is absolutely gorgeous to play. It does metal and it does it well. I wouldn't expect it to do anything else really. It plays as well as my USA strat. It never goes out of tune. My warpigs make it $%&#ing scream!
The trouble with this kind of guitar is that player needs to look the part as much as the guitar to carry it off. Anyone can hold a strat/prs/les paul and not feel too self conscious.
Too much snobbery about really. At 36 i don't really give a shitee about what people might think about me owning a guitar as ott in style as this. I certainly couldn't carry it off image wise. I just wanted a spiky metal guitar to crank out some heavy riffs on. It does it's job well. Its certainly more satisfying to me to knock out celtic frost riffs on this guitar than it is on any other guitar i own. If anyone thinks me a tw@t for buying it then piss on them. Im sure they probably have something they think is the dogs bollocks that i may raise an eyebrow at.
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Ive got a bc rich WMD warbeast. Yeah it's a bit ott for some tastes and people seem to slate bc rich guitars just because of the name and because people have played ones that have been cr@p. Dunno if i got lucky but the one i own is a real great guitar. Its very well finished. The neck on it is absolutely gorgeous to play. It does metal and it does it well. I wouldn't expect it to do anything else really. It plays as well as my USA strat. It never goes out of tune. My warpigs make it $%&#ing scream!
The trouble with this kind of guitar is that player needs to look the part as much as the guitar to carry it off. Anyone can hold a strat/prs/les paul and not feel too self conscious.
Too much snobbery about really. At 36 i don't really give a shiteee about what people might think about me owning a guitar as ott in style as this. I certainly couldn't carry it off image wise. I just wanted a spiky metal guitar to crank out some heavy riffs on. It does it's job well. Its certainly more satisfying to me to knock out celtic frost riffs on this guitar than it is on any other guitar i own. If anyone thinks me a tw@t for buying it then piss on them. Im sure they probably have something they think is the dogs bollocks that i may raise an eyebrow at.
I think the reason why people slate BC Rich is because during the 90's and early 00's their quality control was terrible and the guitars being built were nothing like they were in the 70's and 80's. It's only in the past 2 - 3 years that BC Rich has started to pump out great guitars.
I owned a BC Rich Gunslinger reissue that played and sounded great, would like another in the future.
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I hate relic/road worn guitars, I just don't see the point to it. Since you can buy a battered guitar, it makes the real relics and heavily played guitars less special, and with the fake ones you lack the attachment that you would have with the instrument from playing it into that condition. In terms of racism, it ruins a guitar no matter what manufacturer it is.
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its just a finish option!
there are loads of guitar finishes i dont like (mostly from dean)
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Is this thread not just an outlet for guitar 'racism'?
Id just like to add that all the guitars i like are great and that all the guitars that other people like are shite. 8)
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I hate relic/road worn guitars, I just don't see the point to it. Since you can buy a battered guitar, it makes the real relics and heavily played guitars less special, and with the fake ones you lack the attachment that you would have with the instrument from playing it into that condition. In terms of racism, it ruins a guitar no matter what manufacturer it is.
:lol:
"I hate relic/road worn guitars, I just don't see the point to it." - Yeah, ok, cool.
"Since you can buy a battered guitar, it makes the real relics and heavily played guitars less special," - er, how?
"and with the fake ones you lack the attachment that you would have with the instrument from playing it into that condition." - er, WRONG!! :lol:
But I'll let you off because, as this man says...
Is this thread not just an outlet for guitar 'racism'?
Id just like to add that all the guitars i like are great and that all the guitars that other people like are shitee. 8)
:lol: Spot on sir!
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I hate relic/road worn guitars, I just don't see the point to it. Since you can buy a battered guitar, it makes the real relics and heavily played guitars less special, and with the fake ones you lack the attachment that you would have with the instrument from playing it into that condition.
A relic isn't a "fake" - it's as Wez says - a finish option.
I can get very attached to guitars after 50 seconds let alone 50 years.......
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I know it's a finish option, just that racially I think there's a time and a place for a every guitar... just not ones finished that way - I see it as the human equivalent of dressing a youth in plus fours. I hope that makes sense :?
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Not liking relics is fine - they're not for everyone. Calling them fakes isn't really getting what they're about.
I see them as stonewashed denim jeans. You can buy brand new, deep blue denims that are stiff and take some breaking in. Or you can buy some that have been washed in a large container of rocks that fit like a glove instead ;)
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I wouldn't have thought that this is what relics are about either.
I mean, i don't think its about taking a guitar and breaking it in so that it plays better. I bet new guitars play just as well as relics. I bet some relics play terrible, just like some "new" versions of the same guitar. I believe it's purely aesthetic.
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The jean reference is one i was going to throw up but from a different angle.
I hate pre ripped jeans i find them fraudulent and tacky
i do however have a pair of jeans that are many years old that have a fair few rips in them and theyre the most comfortable jeans ever and i will never get rid of them
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I mean, i don't think its about taking a guitar and breaking it in so that it plays better.
it is to a certain extent - fingerboards are rolled, body edges softened etc. I find well done relics to be more comfortable to play...
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but you can do that without making it a relic right? it's not necessary to make the guitar look old to make it play better.
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Personally, I'm against LPs, live. The weight kills. Especially when you're doing two hour sessions standing up.
In studios? They're great. Great tone. :)
Still though, superstrats pwn in my opinion.
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but you can do that without making it a relic right? it's not necessary to make the guitar look old to make it play better.
True, but a lot of manufacturers don't.
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There is one thing about relicing that tickles me
Its making a guitar look old, like the guitars of yor that were played to death by blues legends that are worshipped by fender et als mainstay audience.
But it lacks forsight! What about when a reliced guitar is old and/or heavily played? There wont be any bloody guitar left!
I suppose on the plus side the resale value of a 'relic' guitar is vastly higher than an identical guitar that got in that state from heavy use (unless its a really old genuine vintage, obviously).
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I have never seen the point in buying a new product that is trashed! would you buy a new car or motor bike that was all scratched and dented? of course not! why then pay (in most cases more) for these?
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It has to be said that it's a modern paradox that people buying new want "abused" whilst the same people buying used want mint.
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There's a new book coming out on guitar racism:-
"To Kill a BC Mockingbird"
atticus finch signature model!
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What I choose to to spend my money on is meant to please me rather than reinforce another persons likes or dislikes. I couldn't give a monkeys chuff if some one hates my guitars or loves them. They're mine and that's all that matters to me.
Hooray for differences and choices, imagine if all we had was chapman sticks through gorilla amps to play, now wouldn't that be fantastic?
You could equally debate drinking lager versus real ale; buying flat pack furniature or reproduction pieces; getting a real Lotus 7 or a kit car replica. Taste is subjective and we all favour or dislike things based on our experience and interpretation of aesthetics. Mine will be different to yours and vice versa.
So what if someone is turned on by pointy guitars that have to be shiny or someone likes a guitar that looks a bit older than it is. Arguing about this stuff is about as productive as pissing into the wind.
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It has to be said that it's a modern paradox that people buying new want "abused" whilst the same people buying used want mint.
hehe, yeah.
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It has to be said that it's a modern paradox that people buying new want "abused" whilst the same people buying used want mint.
My favourite quote of the year!!
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I like guitars. I hate what people play on them
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might be interesting to do a survey and tally up people's taste in guitar body shape in the forum
if i had three faves in rank order
1. Flying V (Schecter/Gibson)
2. ESP Random Star (gus G, Roope Latvala)
3. Randy Rhoads V/ ESP SV
hmmm I suppose it's an affliction for pointy things!
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I have never seen the point in buying a new product that is trashed! would you buy a new car or motor bike that was all scratched and dented? of course not! why then pay (in most cases more) for these?
finally, someone who understands! i never got it either...okay..so maybe everything i order has chrome and sparkles but whatevs............
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I suppose on the plus side the resale value of a 'relic' guitar is vastly higher than an identical guitar that got in that state from heavy use (unless its a really old genuine vintage, obviously).
You say that, but have you ever heard the one about the mint relic?
I once heard a story about someone allegedly selling a relic strat, and one buyer was asking him if there was any wear on it. i.e. something that was not there when the guitar was brand new. upon finding out it was possible there was SOME extra wear on it, the guy was no longer interested in it, if it was no longer "mint condition"
I still can't get my head around that.
As far as my own guitar prejudices go, I did end up not wanting to play a Les Paul for years.
I've had a black Epiphone Les Paul since 2001. I bought it with money I got for passing my A-levels. I really liked it at the time. Then, The Darkness hit big. put me right off them, to the degree that in 2004, when I had the opportunity to buy another new guitar with money I had left over from my Year abroad in France (part of my Uni course), I bought an Epiphone Dot, purely because Justin Hawkins had put me off Les Pauls so much I couldn't bear playing one. Especially considering for a while I wanted a white Les Paul, being a huge Manic Street Preachers fan.
I'm long over it now of course. I came to realise that no matter what guitar I choose to play, I will find someone dodgy that plays one like it.
That said, I'm still opposed to "metal" guitars, pointy headstocks and such.
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The jean reference is one i was going to throw up but from a different angle.
I hate pre ripped jeans i find them fraudulent and tacky
i do however have a pair of jeans that are many years old that have a fair few rips in them and theyre the most comfortable jeans ever and i will never get rid of them
I was in a shop last year (November) when somebody asked if I was wearing designer jeans. No, I said, just old ones that I've patched by hand. I can sew a patch on my jeans without taking them off...
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I have never seen the point in buying a new product that is trashed! would you buy a new car or motor bike that was all scratched and dented? of course not! why then pay (in most cases more) for these?
I wouldn't. But (if I drove) I'd love to have one that looked as if it was all scratched and dented. You'd get a lot of room on the road (surely?)
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i can't imagine some one being anti- les paul, stratocaster or SG for example. anyone else been in such a situation?
Man, I hatehatehate SG's.
Strats have their place.
SuperStrats have their place.
Les Pauls have their place.
Teles have their place.
Flying Vs have their place.
Explorers have their place.
SGs are just fugly as hell, and they don't do anything soundwise you can't do with at least half of the guitars mentioned.
Meh. I wouldn't swap my SGs for anything. I just love the top end access (especially on 24 fret versions). And, to be honest, I prefer the shape to... well, quite a few others. I'd quite happily swap my strat for an SG with the same pickups and made of the same materials... But that's just me.
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RIGHT NOW..i have no problem with peoples opinions at all
except if im in a bad "ficken" mood. ahahah
Otherwise ill ignore them or make any kindof sarcasm and thats it
but i do not like telecasters.
they may sound awesome but the look are really not good.
how could someone design that !??!!? could he or her have done something more simmetrical and harmonious?!?!?
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Hails Gwen
can you post some good pics of your V? i have one now too. ahahaha
I LOVE V's but just the gibson Shape of the V. i dont like the pointy ones .
I love stratocasters also.
and i like the les paul shapes also. but i wish they would be 25.5 scale length.
is there any famous brand that makes les paul copies with that scale length?!
JP
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and i like the les paul shapes also. but i wish they would be 25.5 scale length.
is there any famous brand that makes les paul copies with that scale length?!
JP
Check out the Hagstrom Swede guitars. Some are 25.5" scale.
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Hails Gwen
can you post some good pics of your V? i have one now too. ahahaha
I LOVE V's but just the gibson Shape of the V. i dont like the pointy ones .
which one? ;) I think I have 15, but it might be 16 Vs
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For all the Tele-addicts.
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Lovely tele goodness!
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For all the Tele-addicts.
Yours?
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For all the Tele-addicts.
Yours?
Unfortunately not. It's a 63 relic and well when I win the lottery, this one comes in. Major GAS. Just posted it to show the beauty of the telecaster. For the time being I stick with my American Series Tele, which is actually quite good and I love the neckshape. This is the one.
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and i like the les paul shapes also. but i wish they would be 25.5 scale length.
is there any famous brand that makes les paul copies with that scale length?!
JP
Check out the Hagstrom Swede guitars. Some are 25.5" scale.
YAH I already checked them.. but arent them some low quality china or indonesian made guitars?!
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Hails Gwen
can you post some good pics of your V? i have one now too. ahahaha
I LOVE V's but just the gibson Shape of the V. i dont like the pointy ones .
which one? ;) I think I have 15, but it might be 16 Vs
Are you $%&#ing kidding me? ahahahahahahah holy $%&#ing shite
ahahahahahahaahha thats a G.A.S Boost Man. ahahahahahahahahahah $%&# $%&# $%&#
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i want to see pics of them all
wfd666@hotmail.com
send them to me
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PLEASE.
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For all the Tele-addicts.
Yours?
Unfortunately not. It's a 63 relic and well when I win the lottery, this one comes in. Major GAS. Just posted it to show the beauty of the telecaster. For the time being I stick with my American Series Tele, which is actually quite good and I love the neckshape. This is the one.
Aaaaahahahahahahaha!
HAHAHAHAHA!
That's everything - EVERYTHING - that is wrong with the tele.
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Don't like my Irish hat, Roo? I went all the way to Connemara for it.