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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: shobet on January 04, 2011, 12:51:37 AM
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I must say I do like the new site, congratulations to all of you involved!
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Yeah - looks fab
Just raised the bar a whole lot !
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Looks great. Nice sound clips too.
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Looks fantastic!
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I really like it!
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I agree! Love the EQ charts and the recommendations for styles and guitars!!
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Oh yeah! I have the forum on bookmark, but not the BKP site. That's good stuff there! I especially like the audio clips. The selections are very well thought out. Don't leave many "questions" unanswered. That's great!
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Well done, not too much, but what is there is very good.
When you go through the pickups now and listen to the samples, it really makes you wanna buy all of them. So I guess that is mission well accomplished.
Making those clips must have been a LOT of work. I mean if you have amps you can reamp clips, but with pickups you gotta play it all over again. Is it Tim who's been playing these? Sounds like Tim to me.
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lots of wiring diagrams and dimension drawings - its a good addition
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Well done Tim! very comprehensive.
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Wow! Now that is sweetness! I was going to start a thread in pickups, in which would have had some complicated explaination of what I sought opinions for. . . after checking out the new site I did not have to start the thread and all my questions were answered. :D
Nolly, you f*ckin' rock dude! I could hear all the subtle details I needed to distingush exactly what pickups I would need for application and personal sonic achievement, I've never come across such perfection in sound clips that reflect what's needed in such a neutral sonic deliverance and quickly to the point. My hat is off to you sir. 8)
The new site just cut back emails to BKP, starting forum threads, disappointing purchases, and time. Tim and staff did an excellent job with the EQ charts and guitar wood applications, and the site works very fast so as to compare all anything one needs too.
To Tim, Nolly, and all involved in its development. . . thank you. :)
WR
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Looks very pretty guys :D.
Can't listen to clips at the moment - I'm back at work... (boo! :() - but I'll check them out later.
Excellent job!
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for me the big surprise is the comprehensive revamp of the P90 range... no BKP90, 91, 92 any longer!
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It's very nice to read these comments, the new site is a truly excellent resource. Doing the clips was certainly a lot of fun and was indeed a rather large undertaking! I'm very happy to see people finding them useful for making decisions, it is great that people can now go and hear the differences for themselves.
:D
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I completely forgot that there was going to be a new site!
Clips sound awesome, didn't realise the Pig 90 could get that heavy with the right setup.
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My only criticism is that the audio samples are too good - they should have some clips recorded by bad guitarists to give a better idea what the pickups will sound like when I play them. :P :lol:
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Very cool, but when did the P90 range all change? Stockholm?!?!
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brilliant, home page is perfect, cool, eyecatching and informative.well worth your efforts.
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Good job on the eq charts, clips and applications.
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Yeah man, that all looks really good. The dimensions of the pups are really useful to me at the minute and mean that I may actually have to start work on the idea I've been playing with.
I think a good future addition would be a little breakdown of who all the people are at BKP. It would play on the hand made, personal side of things for people who aren't locals in these parts.
And I couldn't agree with Lucifuge more. We need clips of ten thumbed players clunking out a bad version of a Beatles song :lol:
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very nice work on the new site, does everything I want it to do, anyway.
Epic playing there nolly (I'm guessing it was you on the clips? That's what it looks like from the other posts). Only really listened to a couple of the hair metal clips so far, but they sound great. Bit like ratt at the start :D
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Yikes! It's just reverted to the old site!!!
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Yikes! It's just reverted to the old site!!!
I'm still getting the new one :?
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same here.
and holy carp nolly, that cold sweat hair metal clip rules :D
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Lots of great work on the new site. :D
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Finally after (has it really been) 5 years all I gotta say is Wow! The new site is great, answers all the questions, has clips and even a suitability recommendation - I'm very impressed.
Well done to everyone involved! :D
(If anyone is still getting the old site make sure it says /main
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I just listened the trilogy modern metal clip, is that an actual trilogy doing the rhythm? sounds like a humbucker
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Glad the clips are holding peoples' interest!
JDC, yep every clip is done with the pickup in question only. Check out the Sinner if you think the TS sounds big!
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I'm at work, so can't hear the clips, but the technical details look great. I can feel a set of Nantucket's in my future (though I knew the P 90 changes were coming). No-one's mentioned the Bass pickups yet. There are some classic pickups there. I have all the different styles (Precision, Jazz and original Precision), but some of the variations sound great.
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Glad the clips are holding peoples' interest!
JDC, yep every clip is done with the pickup in question only. Check out the Sinner if you think the TS sounds big!
I found that about 30 seconds after posting :D
It's really nice having consistency in the clips to A/B them
How many guitars did you use for all these recording?
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Sampled some clips now.
Oh dear, GAS... need more strats :lol:
No Jazz bass clips though? :(
Nolly, about the strat clips - were the middle pickups RWRP or not?
Anyway - SUPERB job, everyone involved, love the new site :D
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I'm pleased that you're all liking the new site - it's been a huge amount of work to get done.
Adam/Nolly did indeed write and play on every single clip which we recorded consecutively over 6 days - Adam playing and writing and myself making the pickups and fitting them as we went along. We used a Les Paul Custom for the majority of the humbucker clips - a Daemoness and a Black Machine were used on a couple - all the Teles were recorded on the same relic Tele, Strats on the same Relic Strat , HSP90s on the same SG and P90s on a self built Jnr(made by Ray here at BKP). All bass parts were recorded with a Fender J bass with the '60 PE J Bass coils in.
There are more additions to come to the site over the next few months in the way of resources.
Again, a huge thank you to Adam for the seriously awesome playing and extremely varied audio clips - designed as a comparative study of the whole range - and also to Ol for all the behind the scenes work getting the site to do what I wanted it to!
Make sure you have a good dig through the whole site, there's lots of information to be had and plenty to listen to!
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All the Strat clips were RWRP except for the PAT Pend Strat Series where the mid coils were stock.
Every track has '60 PE J bass on but we are sorting out dedicated bass clips too.
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just thought id add in the 2x hum ibanez style goes to a 404 page.
but overall great work
now when is the forum going to be made to match? :P
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I love it!. I was very nearly late for work this morning as I'd started listening to the samples and was enjoying myself a great deal.The information available now is superb and with the expanded range, well the best just got better is all that can be said. Nolly, you have done a great job in recording those clips and your knowledge of the pickups is fantastic. Congrats too to Tim and the guys for a superb job. I shall be buying a P90 for a mate shortly and the job just got a bit harder but in a good way.
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just thought id add in the 2x hum ibanez style goes to a 404 page.
yeah a couple of the wiring diagrams I clicked on didn't work- not a complaint, just pointing it out in case ol hasn't noticed.
Aside from that, it's great. :)
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Hmm. I have a feeling I should ring up and cancel my credit cards before delving much deeper into this...
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Thanks for all the positive feedback!
just thought id add in the 2x hum ibanez style goes to a 404 page.
now when is the forum going to be made to match? :P
Thanks for letting me know about the dead links. With 148 clips, dimensions and schematics and so much to do I'm not overly surprised a couple slipped through.
The forum will be done in the next couple of days!
Ol.
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Thanks for all the positive feedback!
just thought id add in the 2x hum ibanez style goes to a 404 page.
now when is the forum going to be made to match? :P
Thanks for letting me know about the dead links. With 148 clips, dimensions and schematics and so much to do I'm not overly surprised a couple slipped through.
The forum will be done in the next couple of days!
Ol.
No problem i know how frustrating it is managing websites and its always inevitable that you'll get a missing link somewhere.
And i was only joking about the forum but i look forward to seeing that too.
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No problem i know how frustrating it is managing websites and its always inevitable that you'll get a missing link somewhere.
And i was only joking about the forum but i look forward to seeing that too.
They should be fixed now. If anyone discovers anymore, I'd be grateful if you could report here:
http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/ccs/open.php
and select "Website Issues / Feedback"
Thanks!
Ol.
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I'm impressed, I haven't had a chance to listen to any clips yet but already I feel like a few "ancient mysteries" have been solved by the new product pages. :D
Very interested in the new P-90s....
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having now listened to many of the soundclips all i can say is there is some shockingly good playing going on.
kudos nolly 8)
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I liked the site a lot.
The clips arent 100% ideal cause they are still slightly overproduced or something like that but.. i liked it.
all the rest is awesome.
Althought i think that the ABraxas need a more elucidative description or even soundclip.
from now on... im starting to dig the tone of the MULE. Riff Raff. STormy MOnday. VHII,Rebel Yell(i liked the tone a lot but i think its not for me),COld sweat as always. ahahaha, Nailbomb of course.. even more the neck version. but im also tempted to get the cold sweat neck cause of the sweep thing. im not sure if ill keep the nailbomb bridge anymore. i liked the Holydiver alittle also. And the ceramic warpig sounds interesting also.
From the single coils : i liked the apache a lot.the pat pend slab 59 strat board is also good but i would like to hear it in the bridge and neck position MORE. The SLow Hand set is also good.
Thats it
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I WANT To test them all.
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JP
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Compliments! A big improvement. More clear information and the soundclips are very nice. I only think that the clean clips in the humbucker-section do not always justice to the pickup. A lot of them sound somewhat the same. The dirty clips are most of the times very good.
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What an improvement!
Thanks, I suppose, to those that thanked 'all involved' on account of the EQ charts (but that said, there are lots there that I had nothing to do with, as there was no data from the fellow users, or massively insufficient; how did you come up with those, Tim?
All that replied with your estimates to the EQ thread; you made that as well!
Well done Nolly on the clips. Very good, and impressively consistent playing. I know its not easy to churn that out, and 6 days for it is impressive work.
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Of course huge thanks to all who took part in the EQ chart excercise(as mentioned in forum news before xmas) - I did score them all myself and then ran through the scores with MDV - out of all the scores MDV had been able to assemble we were either 0.5 out or bang on the nail when we compared each others results which was extremely encouraging!
Re: over producing the clips - as Nolly will no doubt chime in, that couldn't be further from the truth, they were recorded as straight as possible. The idea behind each clip was to demonstrate each pickup as most players would perceive it to be used and also for the use that it was designed for. There's no point centering on modern metal clips for Stormy Monday humbuckers or jazz clips for Sinner coils etc - while some players will undoubtedly find uses outside the norm which is fantastic, the function of the sound clips is to show the pickups in their best light and enable players to cut to the chase quicker when deciding on appropriate pickups for their given style of playing. We also tried hard to provide comparative clips within any one given type of pickup making it easier to compare, for example having all the contemporary humbuckers doing a similar modern metal clip. Where appropriate, if a pickup also had uses outside it's usual remit we would offer up that clip too. For example the Riff Raff humbucker has both classic rock and modern metal clips demonstrating either end of the rock spectrum as it's important to show that it is capable of both. In the future we will look to expand on that more and add even more clips where appropriate.
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Great job! This new website is awesome.
BKP 2.0 ftw !
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clearly the new site is immeasurably better than the old one, looks professional and high-end.
on the other hand, i think some positive aspects of the old site have been lost. when i first got a set of BKPs - Riff Raffs - the thing I liked about the BKP site was the simple descriptions of the pickups and the tones one might expect. i thought it was different to the dimarzio or duncan site and i was happy about it.
after years of playing around with dimarzio with occasional success i learnt that that kind of technical description with EQ curves can be very confusing, and even wrong when you actually plug into an amp. i was also very much of a tone n00b at that stage (and still have much to learn) and the easy going descriptions gave me more confidence that i was buying the right "flavour" if you like.
now i'm more advanced, the new site does suit me better, but never the less i know really well what its like to be bewildered by a lot of EQ curves and talk of wire gauges and coil offsets. an example: comparing the brown sugar to the boss, the brown sugar has more mids according to the EQ curve.. now in a real situation the drive of the amp would affect things so the treble of the brown sugar actually masks the fact it has more mids and it sounds thinner.. so with a boss loaded guitar plugged into the same marshall and setting the EQ up in a tasteful way you do actually get more punch despite what the EQ curve may suggest. (true: this is what the audio clips show for these 2 pickups)
if it were me, i'd think about ways to try and make things more appealing to less technically minded players still. (maybe the BKP phone number on each page?)
by the way, concerning the boss, i think the BKP team is missing a trick - i think its absolutely ideal for hard rock, it might be its "Pièce de résistance" so to speak
edit: though i must say, some of the descriptions are more easy to 'get' than others
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The one criticism of the old site that I had fired at me time and again was that the product descriptions were rhetorical and didn't describe the pickups at all. I hope I have now addressed that properly while keeping it simple and to the point. You don't have to take any notice of EQ curves if you don't want to - I personally don't like them at all but again,included them after coming under intense pressure to do so - they are intended as a comparative between pickups only and do not in any way reflect the response when moved from one guitar to another as no EQ chart could ever show that. For those that find them useful, they've been included as well as some general applications and suitability suggestions. I still prefer to talk customers through detailed requirements personally as no website can cover every eventuality and this is something BKP will always continue to due - the new site is not meant to substitute that, it is to provide additional information.
As I said in my earlier post, there will be more clips added over the coming months as and where appropriate. Adam and I could have gone on for weeks recording but we had to draw the line somewhere and I feel that what has been accomplished provides a very good representation of what the pickups can do.
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The one criticism of the old site that I had fired at me time and again was that the product descriptions were rhetorical and didn't describe the pickups at all. I hope I have now addressed that properly while keeping it simple and to the point. You don't have to take any notice of EQ curves if you don't want to - I personally don't like them at all but again,included them after coming under intense pressure to do so - they are intended as a comparative between pickups only and do not in any way reflect the response when moved from one guitar to another as no EQ chart could ever show that. For those that find them useful, they've been included as well as some general applications and suitability suggestions. I still prefer to talk customers through detailed requirements personally as no website can cover every eventuality and this is something BKP will always continue to due - the new site is not meant to substitute that, it is to provide additional information.
As I said in my earlier post, there will be more clips added over the coming months as and where appropriate. Adam and I could have gone on for weeks recording but we had to draw the line somewhere and I feel that what has been accomplished provides a very good representation of what the pickups can do.
naturally i was only attempting to offer some thoughts on what i thought was the positives of the old site. the fact is it seems like i have most of your range now :)
maybe what i'm trying to say is the new site reflects the fact that BKP is a mainstream player in the pickup world now, with a professional quality website like that it creates a really good impression!!
but what attracted me to BKP was the friendliness, and with the well deserved growth in your business and product range it would be nice to somehow find a way to continue putting across this open/personal touch to casual vistors. we all know on the forum about it very well of course, i was just trying to think about what I would think if I saw it for the first time.
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Just adding my 2p worth: LOVE the new site. Absolutely superb.
FWIW, I think you've struck exactly the right balance with the clips (the number of them, length, production etc), the descriptions, tech detail & eq curves: it's enough information to make a reasonably informed decision, but not so much that you get analysis paralysis.
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Of course huge thanks to all who took part in the EQ chart excercise(as mentioned in forum news before xmas) - I did score them all myself and then ran through the scores with MDV - out of all the scores MDV had been able to assemble we were either 0.5 out or bang on the nail when we compared each others results which was extremely encouraging!
Missed that! Most welcome, happy to help
FWIW the clips dont sound overproduced to me at all. They sound well produced. They do have a common 'axe-fx-y' sound to them all that is somewhat 'processed' to my ears, but it does sound pretty dry and un-manipulated.
Glad to see that as BK grows you still provide advice on a customer to customer basis, in conversation, Tim; a laudable and to me, invaluable practice.
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Of course huge thanks to all who took part in the EQ chart excercise(as mentioned in forum news before xmas) - I did score them all myself and then ran through the scores with MDV - out of all the scores MDV had been able to assemble we were either 0.5 out or bang on the nail when we compared each others results which was extremely encouraging!
Re: over producing the clips - as Nolly will no doubt chime in, that couldn't be further from the truth, they were recorded as straight as possible. The idea behind each clip was to demonstrate each pickup as most players would perceive it to be used and also for the use that it was designed for. There's no point centering on modern metal clips for Stormy Monday humbuckers or jazz clips for Sinner coils etc - while some players will undoubtedly find uses outside the norm which is fantastic, the function of the sound clips is to show the pickups in their best light and enable players to cut to the chase quicker when deciding on appropriate pickups for their given style of playing. We also tried hard to provide comparative clips within any one given type of pickup making it easier to compare, for example having all the contemporary humbuckers doing a similar modern metal clip. Where appropriate, if a pickup also had uses outside it's usual remit we would offer up that clip too. For example the Riff Raff humbucker has both classic rock and modern metal clips demonstrating either end of the rock spectrum as it's important to show that it is capable of both. In the future we will look to expand on that more and add even more clips where appropriate.
Yah! thats what i meant. and not. ahahahah
i liked the way each pickup was demoed and the styles YOU choose to give the sound examples.
what i questioned is just the specific subject of the Too much production (by that i mean drums,2 guitars and guitar lawyers etc.) that can be a tricky to figure out the real tone or vibe of the pickup. a clip with only one guitar for the rhythm and 2 guitars for the solo would match it completely.
Btw i think that the HAIR METAL CLip is the one that can show 100% of the pickups voice, tone and vibe , out of all the soundclip examples. except , of course, the clean ones. ahahahah q: )
what i meant is that Too much production can be deceiving. Like dimarzio pickups. I cant really judge the tone of the pickups based on their soundclips. they are too produced you cant identify separated tones and etc.
and i have a question(but i didnt read the entire post here) :
Did you use tube amps only or software to get the Distortion out of the guitars?
some clips sounds like digital modeling and some like mic'd amps.
Hails and thanks for the site improvement.
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I hope my comments werent offensive. it was just Constructive criticism from a surgical mind. Cause i want BKP to be Huge and Awesome. more than its becoming actually. Q; )
JP
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Every clip was care of the Axe FX Ultra - we stuck to 3 or 4 amp types to make it as objective as possible. As I said before, it is a comparative study of pickups not a study of recording or different amps.
Re:over produced - we recorded them with drums, bass etc on purpose to show exactly how the pickups perform in a real mix. We did, however drop the drums and bass back in the mix to allow the guitar tracks to be heard clearly but not so much it spoiled the vibe of each clip.
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Great looking new site. Very informative and well laid out. I love the sound clips, they're grrrrreat!
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I really like the new site. the clips are very well done. i can definitely hear my pickups in the clip. the black dog is right there but still creamy, the cold sweat is a bit too scooped just like i'm feeling it is in my guitar, and the riff raff bridge is spot on what i was looking for! after all these emails asking tim questions about RR vs CS and High versus low output, i can really hear what he meant by 'more focused' and 'punchier'
thanks alot tim and co for such a nice new shiny website!
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don't forget that there"s a boatload of clips in the 'players' section recorded in a myriad of ways with all kinds of amps for anyone wanting more than is available on the home page.
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Every clip was care of the Axe FX Ultra - we stuck to 3 or 4 amp types to make it as objective as possible. As I said before, it is a comparative study of pickups not a study of recording or different amps.
Re:over produced - we recorded them with drums, bass etc on purpose to show exactly how the pickups perform in a real mix. We did, however drop the drums and bass back in the mix to allow the guitar tracks to be heard clearly but not so much it spoiled the vibe of each clip.
I understand and partially agree with you guys. in fact I Agree and thats the correct way to do things.
its just that i perceive things different.
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JP
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Following the thread about the new BG, Tim, which pickups have changed the specs? There is a big doubt about the new P90s, if they're the same with new name or new specs...
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All of the P90s have been completely revamped top to toe so they're all new. The Blackguard Flat 50 has changed to become the Flat 52 making way for the new Broadcaster/Nocaster spec Flat 50. All the others are exactly the same as they've always been with the exception of the new pickups obviously: PAT Pend Strat Series, Stockholm HSP90, P and J bass, Aftermath humbuckers and the whole P90 range.
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great! thanks! :)
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They do have a common 'axe-fx-y' sound to them
I knew you were going to say that!!!
Bet all the modern metal clips had the axe-fx set to a tubescreamer through a 5150 through a redwires recto 4x12 impulse with an sm57 :D
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Love the new site, it's everything a guitar pickup site should have. I love that they put up sound clips that use the same riffs and amps for most pickups, that's going to help me a lot when it comes time to decide on what to get.
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I think it must be going well as it seems that there are a lot more newbies seeking advice lately (or is that just me) and I think that is great. Hopefully some will stick around and join in with the banter.