Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: JacksonRR on April 15, 2011, 09:44:18 PM
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$110 USD for the pair. Bridge will be wound 17-18k with a ceramic, the neck a matching wind with an alnico(I left it up to him on which flavor). Double black allen poles. Scatterwound, handwound, best materials available, blah blah blah. I emailed the guy on a whim, told him exactly what I was looking for in detail and he said, "Link me some bands so I know exactly what to do for you." Linked him some Arch Enemy, SepticFlesh and others and he said, "Got it. $110 for the pair." He's been winding for 30 years. I'm hoping he delivers, if not there's a 30 day money back guarantee on them. 2-3 week lead time. I'll get a clip up once they come in. I was almost certain I was going to dig into the BKPs. In the end, I might. We'll see how it goes. Call it an experiment. :D
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Is this appropriate?!
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Good for you.... What's their forum like, helpful? :roll:
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:lol: Yeah, people talk about other kinds of pickups all the time on this site (though mostly centered on BKPs as this is the BKP hosted forum). If I don't like them, I'll certainly buy something churned out by Tim and if I do, I'll share that as well, maybe even on the SD or EMG forums. You get what you pay for and I'm testing that fact in public.
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Always interresting to see what else is out there!
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so let me get this right....
Its fine for people to talk about other pickups when they are saying how inferior they are
yet if they have something positive or even inquisitive to say its a no go?
bit stupid if you ask me.
i personally replaced my BKP aftermath with a custom ordered pickup from XXXXXX and it works for that guitar so much better in every way and yes its just as tight and more aggressive and has better cleans.
Pickups aren't a marriage contract they are just tools im pretty sure that Tim wont care if people use other pickups as after all we have all made him money by buying his pickups....
And i still have my other guitar with BKPs in
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so let me get this right....
Its fine for people to talk about other pickups when they are saying how inferior they are
yet if they have something positive or even inquisitive to say its a no go?
bit stupid if you ask me.
Fair point, we always use other pickups for comparison, to say what we like or don't like about them, or perhaps to recommend a type of pickup BKP don't actually make (Tim has certainly praised EMGs in the forum, I remember).
When it gets to the point of saying "Instead of BKP I bought pickup XX from manufacturer YY and it's perfect", there's absolutely nothing wrong with that viewpoint - but perhaps it's best expressed in a neutral forum, not in BKP's own web space. It just seems inappropriate.
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so let me get this right....
Its fine for people to talk about other pickups when they are saying how inferior they are
yet if they have something positive or even inquisitive to say its a no go?
bit stupid if you ask me.
Fair point, we always use other pickups for comparison, to say what we like or don't like about them, or perhaps to recommend a type of pickup BKP don't actually make (Tim has certainly praised EMGs in the forum, I remember).
When it gets to the point of saying "Instead of BKP I bought pickup XX from manufacturer YY and it's perfect", there's absolutely nothing wrong with that viewpoint - but perhaps it's best expressed in a neutral forum, not in BKP's own web space. It just seems inappropriate.
See i wasn't trying to cause a ruckus with that i was stating that for the application in the case it worked better but my other guitar is still fully BKP'd as it is a perfect match.
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Also just to clarify further i also used pickups from other guitar manufacturers in that particular guitar too i couldnt get anything to work.
Hence why a custom for the specific guitar was neccesary and still took a lot of trial and error
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Most of us purchase/own other manufacturers pickups but we don't start threads with an advert for them on Tim's website.
Or a link to "buy now" :?
The only thing missing here is an "add to cart" button :lol:
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i think the OP was just trying to start a discussion to see if anyone had any experience
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whats a BKP?
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It's more of a measuring stick. I'll still go with BKPs in a bit, but for now I can't. I really want to play that wenge Rhoads I built, but my funds are limited. My girlfriend went through bone fusion surgery on her left foot a few months back and BKPs just aren't gonna happen. I've been balancing my mortgage, out of pocket college tuition/books and all the expenses of two people living while she's not earning. I've been starved for gear and it's lookin at me. Empty. Yeah, she's almost better and her family went and ordered another neck for me behind my back, which comes after Summer.
I linked it as a way to gain info on what I'm talking about. Who really thinks a $55 pup is going to compete with BKPs? I mean come on. I would have thought more people would have seen all that and had a chuckle more than anything. I linked some other pups in this section a short while back and noone got riled.
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I for one am not riled in the slightest. If Tim's OK with it, I really don't care. It just seemed surprising that a website that Tim is funding should have links to other manufacturers as alternatives to BKP. Conversely, I think his pickups will stand up to comparison with anything else on the market so why should he care. It's not something I'd have done but as the thread is still running I can only assume that the moderators have no problem with it and therefore, neither do I :D
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I must admit discussing other pickups in the pickups forum isnt something I'm clear on. I do think that this in particular shows a lack of courtesy; as dave says, all it was missing was an add to basket button.
As tony says though, we all use other pickups (or a lot of us do at least). I just went back to EMG for 2 of my 4 main guitars, and I dont personally see a reason that discussion of other pickups (their characteristics, not "I just bought some, heres a buy some link!") should be prohibited in general, and there are examples of it in the past. Tims also made it clear that hes unintimidated by other manufacturers (and made it clear that he respects quite a few of them, on this very board too). Its more been a matter of forum tradition.
We kind of act like mates in the pub in here...but its Tims pub and that requires a certain courtesy! You wouldnt go down the Red Lion and start shouting at the bar, landlord in earshot, that you just had 8 pints in the Nags Head, and the beer heres probably better, but more expensive so you arent going to try it for a while, just drink there and hang out here....would you? :lol:
Perhaps a mod or BK dude can clarify the matter....I notice Ben (TO/DnL ben, not BK ben) has been and gone since the thread started, so it cant have rustled his feathers)...for future reference?
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The pub analogy is the most apt with this board... I only spend marginally more time in here. :lol:
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Sir, I do find your pub analogy very fitting, so my congratiolations on putting this situation in a perspectiv everyone can understand.
But one thing...if this this is a pub...where´s the thread with Chuck Norris jokes?
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So why is it that you can go on any other pickup manufacturer's forum and start a thread about BKPs or whatever else and not a single person gets religious? There's obviously a huge barrier here that I was unaware of. We can post uninhibited all day long about every single tiny piece of gear on the planet, without the slightest hint of snobbery from anyone. We can literally put a microscope on everything BUT pickups? Even the Soldano forum has a "Other Amps, etc" section. What if I just mentioned that Iconix is the only handwinder of custom stacked single coil humbuckers that I could find on the whole face of the planet and that I ordered that? Well he'll do them and Tim won't.
I was reading an interview a guy did with Tim where he said something along the lines of, "There's no magic in pups. It's pretty much all bullshitee. The key is to use good parts and construction." I thought what a laid back dude, Mike Soldano and Randall Smith would never admit that about amps.
It seems to me it's not BKP that is upset at this, it's the users of the forum. What is this, masturbation in the 50's? We all know the other manufacturers exist and that they're an option. We should be able to talk about that here as no one's got anything to hide, right? Right.
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It seems to me it's not BKP that is upset at this, it's the users of the forum. What is this, masturbation in the 50's? We all know the other manufacturers exist and that they're an option. We should be able to talk about that here as no one's got anything to hide, right? Right.
Quite possibly.
Yes, tim has a no nonesense attitude about pickup making and a no fear attitude to other makers; he freely talks about them in honest terms himself - sometimes its complimentary sometimes it isnt - and as I said before no rules have been set out to the effect of 'thou shalt not talk about other pickups', and it does seem to me to be more of a tradition among members. Not a religious one, or you wouldnt have BK members that use other pickups freely admiting this, but a courteous one; we're on BKs forum and talking about the purchase of other pickups is rather crass.
Plus, what other brands choose to do with their sites isnt of any relevence. Like it or not, this is a private forum; you are in effect on private property, house rules apply, blanket freedom of speech doesnt.
That said, Tim/BK havent made any pronouncement on discussion of other pickups one way or another that I'm aware of; maybe you should ask them?
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I've not been aware of anyone getting 'religious' about this at all and we have talked about other manufacturers pickups before. There's certainly been discussion about hum-cancelling single coils, who makes good ones and why Tim doesn't. I don't think anyone has a problem with that at all but I'd have to agree with MDV and Afghan Dave in saying that it's the link to the website that I felt was odd. BKP don't seem to have a problem with it as the thread hasn't been blocked but from my perspective, that link wasn't entirely appropriate and I think the pub analogy makes perfect sense. If everyone else had responded to me by saying 'Don't be and arse, there's nothing wrong with the thread' I'd have been fine with that; it just wouldn't have been something I'd have done personally. That's how I see it and it seems others feel the same but you're completely entitled to your own opinion, as are BKP and whatever that opinion is I'm relaxed about it, but it won't change how I would behave myself.
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Ok, for one thing the link should be the smallest of any issue. We all know how to use search engines. I hope.
Feelings aside, say this became the norm instead of taboo. Instead of members leaving this forum to go discuss it on another, they stay and do it here. No other site or forum on the web has EVEN CLOSE to the concentration of positive comments on Tim's work(some forum threads on other sites aren't exactly as flattering all the time), nor do any of them have an enormous ACTUAL ADVERTISEMENT for BKPs in every thread. The wider the guitar vocabulary used in this forum yields search engine results leading people into the BKP website. Someone does a thread or a post on Duncan Invaders here and Google puts it up when someone searches for Invaders. Higher traffic=higher sales. The good comments on Tim's work will never die here and everyone knows 90 percent of the other choices anyways so where's the real problem?
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There's never been any issue or rules about objectively mentioning other pickup brands here on this forum - a quick search through old threads will show other brands being mentioned lots of times in the past. Obviously direct links out to other manufacturers isn't acceptable and serves no purpose other than to direct people away from our forum.
The only time we have said we don't want other manufacturers pickups mentioned is in the players section - that exists purely for our forum members to share clips of their playing and the tones they achieve with their BKP loaded guitars.
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I woke up this morning and removed the link.
For the record, any short clips would have been done here or in the build thread (as the players section is clearly labeled). I'm not thinking this is something I want to continue with. This thread has racked up some seriously bad juju, regardless of the final decree. It's just not fun and informative. At least we know what the score is and the postulation is over. See ya.
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I think you've missed the point JacksonRR.
This isn't Harmony Central, Music Radar or some other "neutral" forum to discuss guitar gear. This is the Bare Knuckle Pickups forum, and as such the hard and fast rules are made by Tim. He makes his position clear in his post.
The rest of us respect the spirit of the forum, and wish it a long and happy future, so we self-moderate in the most part out of respect for Tim and his company. Common sense prevails, and we visit Tim's pub whilst enjoying guitar gear responsibly.
:D
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BTW... Those mints in the urinals taste funny and the condom machine is empty. :? :)
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he condom machine is empty.
I thought that was a bubblegum machine?
Tasted lousy but man I blew some great bubbles.
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Is that still the pub analogy? If yes 5$ for the one who can explain that one to me xD
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I'm not thinking this is something I want to continue with. This thread has racked up some seriously bad juju, regardless of the final decree. It's just not fun and informative. At least we know what the score is and the postulation is over. See ya.
To be honest, I think we've all been polite and tried to make the point very gently. Just relax.
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There's never been any issue or rules about objectively mentioning other pickup brands here on this forum - a quick search through old threads will show other brands being mentioned lots of times in the past. Obviously direct links out to other manufacturers isn't acceptable and serves no purpose other than to direct people away from our forum.
The only time we have said we don't want other manufacturers pickups mentioned is in the players section - that exists purely for our forum members to share clips of their playing and the tones they achieve with their BKP loaded guitars.
Tim is a lot more accommodating than some might expect based on his statement on the subject.
And many of us also have other brands in our guitar collections
What can be more useful than open discussion and comparisons of things we've tried (like "I found my BKP Cold Sweat to have slightly more/less mids than the Duncan Custom that I also tried in the same guitar")
None of us deny the existence of other brands, and nobody looks down on others for having to take a more "budget route" as many of us face tough financial times and BKPs are a serious (but sound) investment, even when funds allow.
But Tim pays for the bandwidth that this forum uses and it's a pretty penny for sure, and he does so that we might have a forum to discuss the slightly abstract subject of tone and more specifically the merits of different BKP pickups
So as Al Murray would say " My Gaff - My Rules"
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSQl6aeilXfZlWD3xyuoAAHHGhWATEJ9hxvDLXSzpG10NEZyuDr)
So most of us recognise and respect that and avoid being blatant in promoting other brands (and there are times when one might find that a certain "other" pickup may just suit a particular guitar for the purpose in mind for us), although we do discuss our findings for sure.
Discussion is pointless without objectivity
Mostly we like hanging around here shooting the breeze and waiting for Afghan Dave to find a nice "Double Entendre" to pick up on.
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Have at it, Dave......
(http://s.ecrater.com/stores/201633/4d75fb138ad9d_201633n.jpg)
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(http://www.guitarsite.com/news/images/amps/G1000.jpg)
Top that... :lol: :lol: :P
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Ooooh I heard that amp once! :lol: Nasty!!! And it costs a fortune!
@JacksonRR: not cool. But you're American apparently, so we'll forgive you your lack of tactfulness.
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Yeah, I reckon I could use me some of that there tact. Alright then.
(http://www.ifc.com/blogs/ifc-now/images/billy-bob-thornton-sling-blade.jpg)
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:lol:
(Great film!)
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Great film indeed. :)