Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Ephemeria on July 29, 2011, 06:01:49 PM
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Basically wondering which you prefer, and why?
AND PLEASE DON'T ANSWER BECAUSE YOU PREFER THE 2 EXTRA NOTES!!! HAHA
I'm looking for more in depth reasons such as sound, etc.
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The neck humbucker is in the sweet spot on a 22 fret guitar. On a 24 fret guitar, the same pickup sounds noticeably less sweet to my ears.
Other than that, for certain solos it's damn handy to have those two extra frets :P
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I can't get used to the way a 24 fret neck sticks out away from your body, and Sancho's comment about the neck pickup applies to me to.
22 frets all the way for me!
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22 allows for more distance between the pickups which gives more tonal variation from bridge to neck pickup, all else being equal
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Basically wondering which you prefer, and why?
AND PLEASE DON'T ANSWER BECAUSE YOU PREFER THE 2 EXTRA NOTES!!! HAHA
I'm looking for more in depth reasons such as sound, etc.
The whole point of having two extra frets is, well, having two extra notes, you know ? Your question is obviously biased if you exclude this as a valid answer, since most of the "anti 24 frets" crowd's argument is about tone...
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Why would you need a neck pickup?
24 because it's a nicer number :D
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Basically wondering which you prefer, and why?
AND PLEASE DON'T ANSWER BECAUSE YOU PREFER THE 2 EXTRA NOTES!!! HAHA
I'm looking for more in depth reasons such as sound, etc.
The whole point of having two extra frets is, well, having two extra notes, you know ? Your question is obviously biased if you exclude this as a valid answer, since most of the "anti 24 frets" crowd's argument is about tone...
I'm saying it as in does 24 frets have anymore advantages other than having just 2 more notes? If not I'd prob just go for a 22 fret neck.
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I like both. for more vintage tones i prefer 22, but for more modern tones i think i prefer 24, the extra brightness helps make the neck pickup cut through higher gain.
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I'm saying it as in does 24 frets have anymore advantages other than having just 2 more notes?
Since you don't need a 24 frets neck to place your neck pickup a bit closer to the bridge, the answer is quite obvious.
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I'm saying it as in does 24 frets have anymore advantages other than having just 2 more notes?
Since you don't need a 24 frets neck to place your neck pickup a bit closer to the bridge, the answer is quite obvious.
Well I didn't know until I started this thread, did I? I'd really like the extra 2 frets, but apparantly the 22frets pros/cons outweigh the 24-fret/pros cons.
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The neck humbucker is in the sweet spot on a 22 fret guitar. On a 24 fret guitar, the same pickup sounds noticeably less sweet to my ears.
Other than that, for certain solos it's damn handy to have those two extra frets :P
When you say the sweet spot, do you mean because of where the 24th fret harmonic should be? N how do you mean more sweet exactly? I think I might know what you mean, just making sure.
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half a few of both like them for different reasons...but prob not for the extra 2 frets lol
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I'm saying it as in does 24 frets have anymore advantages other than having just 2 more notes?
Since you don't need a 24 frets neck to place your neck pickup a bit closer to the bridge, the answer is quite obvious.
Well I didn't know until I started this thread, did I?
It's not that hard to figure out, is that ?-)
I'd really like the extra 2 frets, but apparantly the 22frets pros/cons outweigh the 24-fret/pros cons.
As as explained (with some verbosity) in my answer to your "SC vs HBs" thread, you do have a problem with how to ask questions - ask yourself why you get sarcastic answers ? - , and, may I say, possibly not enough experience to know what to do of the answers.
wrt/ "tone" problems, there are no practical evidence that the two frets difference will make the guitar sound "better" or "worse" - first because I have yet to meet someone who tried the exact same guitar with a 22 frets neck then with a 24 one, and then it's a matter of taste and whatnot.
FWIW, replacing the stock X2Ns with a Crawler set on my 24 frets Vox certainly made a way greater difference than moving the stock neck pickup a couple centimers away from the bridge.
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22 allows for more distance between the pickups which gives more tonal variation from bridge to neck pickup, all else being equal
Agreed.
I can't get used to the way a 24 fret neck sticks out away from your body, and Sancho's comment about the neck pickup applies to me to.
22 frets all the way for me!
Yep, especially true on PRS guitars where you can have pretty much the same model with either 22 or 24 frets. I like the way the 22 fret neck feels shorter because the bridge is further down the body.
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22, bec of the nice(r) tonal spectrum
21, for obvious reasons :)
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When I asked the same question, a friend and musical mentor once told me... "22 frets are for adults. If 22 frets are enough for EVH, they should be enough for anyone."
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don't care :) got guitars with 21, 22, 23 and 24 frets. 21 frets can be awkward for something though.
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23? What guitar is that on?
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i've got 24 frets on my 7 and 8 stringers. 22 on my main sixers. i bend the shite out of the 22nd on my sixers and don't go anywhere near the 22nd on my 7-8 strings. tone and comfort is the thing for me!
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Never bought a guitar due to how many frets, scalling etc just how it playes sounds so have all different ones. Only thing I don't have are tele's or strats there the only ones I can't get on with, don't know why.
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Never bought a guitar due to how many frets, scalling etc just how it playes sounds so have all different ones. Only thing I don't have are tele's or strats there the only ones I can't get on with, don't know why.
Mabye it's the contour of their neck and the radius of their fingerboard? They're menna be like really round necks with like a 7 1/2" radius. I personally find them a right handful, lol. But even though people said that the rounded neck n radius is only great for chording and a few solos, I don't see Yngwie complaining haha. Just goes to show flat necks aren't always the way forward for some people :P
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When I asked the same question, a friend and musical mentor once told me... "22 frets are for adults. If 22 frets are enough for EVH, they should be enough for anyone."
He played a lot of his stuff on a 21 fret neck too!
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21 for me :D
Although my Gibsons have 22 - I had to count them, though! :roll: - and I seem to be getting more into them recently.
I have one Guitar with 24. It has a 7.25 radius and a shorter scale-length than the Gibsons. It's the only one I go all the way to the top. All the others I don't play that much above 15 -17 anyway. That's because I personally don't find people playing up at the dusty end that musical, just a personal taste, so I've never felt drawn to learning to use it (in 30-odd years!).
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I have one Guitar with 24. It has a 7.25 radius and a shorter scale-length than the Gibsons.
Is that the Brian May guitar? I didn't realise it was a 7.25" radius.
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I have one Guitar with 24. It has a 7.25 radius and a shorter scale-length than the Gibsons.
Is that the Brian May guitar? I didn't realise it was a 7.25" radius.
It is...
And now I'm having doubts as to whether it is 7.25" :roll:. But I'm fairly certain, I remember being surprised by the radius (pleasantly so, cos I like the Fenders I have with the vintage radius).
However, I can't put down my new 335 long enough to go and dig it out and check :lol:
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23? What guitar is that on?
strat with a custom neck made by Wez
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I like both. 22 is the classic number which feels at home. And I agree the neck pickup is in the sweet spot.
24 frets to me has the advantage that it is easier to play in the range of 17-19 and I prefer the sound of the split humbuckers to that of 22 fret guitars. But since I play about 70% bridge the tonal considerations of neck pickups and combinations is not as relevant to me.
Cheers Stephan
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i've always liked 24 fret guitars, simply because my first "proper" guitar was one. the guitars i mostly play at the minute have 22 though. tonally, if you look at a Gibson SG, it has 22 frets, but the neck pickup is in the same place it would be if it had 24. it still sounds fine to me :)
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tonally, if you look at a Gibson SG, it has 22 frets, but the neck pickup is in the same place it would be if it had 24. it still sounds fine to me :)
True, they might as well just make all SGs 24 frets and be done with it (or at least save 22 for the vintage reissues only).
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tonally, if you look at a Gibson SG, it has 22 frets, but the neck pickup is in the same place it would be if it had 24. it still sounds fine to me :)
True, they might as well just make all SGs 24 frets and be done with it (or at least save 22 for the vintage reissues only).
No no no!! It's that little extra bit of plastic fitted between the neck and the pickup that contributes most to the tone... :wink: :lol:
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tonally, if you look at a Gibson SG, it has 22 frets, but the neck pickup is in the same place it would be if it had 24. it still sounds fine to me :)
True, they might as well just make all SGs 24 frets and be done with it (or at least save 22 for the vintage reissues only).
No no no!! It's that little extra bit of plastic fitted between the neck and the pickup that contributes most to the tone... :wink: :lol:
+1
take that out and kiss goodbye to your mojo.
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tonally, if you look at a Gibson SG, it has 22 frets, but the neck pickup is in the same place it would be if it had 24. it still sounds fine to me :)
True, they might as well just make all SGs 24 frets and be done with it (or at least save 22 for the vintage reissues only).
No no no!! It's that little extra bit of plastic fitted between the neck and the pickup that contributes most to the tone... :wink: :lol:
+1
take that out and kiss goodbye to your mojo.
I hate that bloody bit of plastic. They're always, always slightly wonky and/or off centre. :x
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its hard to get them straight because they have all the mojo squashed underneath them.
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^ :lol: :lol:
"Quick, you hold it down while I try to get the screws in!....... Damn, off-centre again! Still, close enough for rock'n'roll."
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^ :lol: :lol:
"Quick, you hold it down while I try to get the screws in!....... Damn, off-centre again! Still, close enough for rock'n'roll."
:lol:
Exactly. It's just like cramming foam in under a pickup to get it to seat the way you want...
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^ :lol: :lol:
"Quick, you hold it down while I try to get the screws in!....... Damn, off-centre again! Still, close enough for rock'n'roll."
:lol:
Exactly. It's just like cramming foam in under a pickup to get it to seat the way you want...
now that's quite the black art isn't it. doesn't work the same on a tune-o-matic angled neck design than it does on a strat style all the way straight design. the thickness of the foam is critical!
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I am still glad my sg doesn't have that bit of plastic inbetween neck and pickup