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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Philly Q on October 24, 2011, 10:20:21 PM
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Picking up a (potentially) interesting discussion from the "Joe Bonamassa playing Rory's Strat" thread....
Who are the guitarists you don't "get"? Maybe you can appreciate they're skilled or talented, but they just don't float your personal boat?
A few that spring randomly to mind for me (from diverse genres):
Slash
John Mayer
Ronnie Wood
John McLaughlin
Steve Howe (although I haven't listened to a massive amount of Yes, to be fair)
Doug Aldrich
Ry Cooder
I could start going on about various shredders, but I'm not really thinking about whether people are technically amazing or not.
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SRV
Bellamy
Hammett
and
Bonamassa himself :)
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Picking up a (potentially) interesting discussion from the "Joe Bonamassa playing Rory's Strat" thread....
Who are the guitarists you don't "get"? Maybe you can appreciate they're skilled or talented, but they just don't float your personal boat?
A few that spring randomly to mind for me (from diverse genres):
Slash
John Mayer
Ronnie Wood
John McLaughlin
Steve Howe (although I haven't listened to a massive amount of Yes, to be fair)
Doug Aldrich
Ry Cooder
PhilX
I could start going on about various shredders, but I'm not really thinking about whether people are technically amazing or not.
Fixed. Also, Charlie Hunter.
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Slash
John Mayer
Bellamy
Hammett
....Vai....
and I guess anyone born after 1960....
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PhilX
Fixed.
:lol: :lol:
Fair point.
But that's more of a personal thing. I couldn't really give a sh!t about his playing, although he's obviously good.
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Simon Bradley
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Sonny Landreth
Technically great but ... ugh, horrible music.
And everyone on Philly's list with the exception of Ry Cooder.
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Controversial one here ... Jimmy Page. Horrible sloppy playing, zero tone, nothing special at all.
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just imagining what this thread would decend into on most other guitar forums :D
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Controversial one here ... Jimmy Page. Horrible sloppy playing, zero tone, nothing special at all.
THE $%&#ING RIFFS!!
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Allan Holdsworth
Allman Brothers (beside I really like Lynyrd, I think AB have very good musicians, but boring on most songs...)
Kerry King & Jeff Hanneman ( + Dave Mustaine, Kirk Hammet, Scott Ian and most thrashers)
Vai, Eric Johnson...
Matthew Bellamy (beside "Uprising")
David Gilmour (same as Allman B)
John Petrucci... He plays weaker than my 7 years old sister would... Somebody need to tell him to play like a man)
Perhaps Rory Gallagher, I didn't listen much of his songs but the ones I listened didn't make me wish listen more... Perhaps I should go take a try again as there are lots of fans...
Van Halen - he is really good, but not much love for VH songs, although I like his solos a lot...
will stop here before someone shoot me to death :P
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Simon Bradley
:lol:
I've said it on here several times - Jeff Beck. Total and utter arse music to my ears. Somewhere Over The Rainbow on Jools Holland is a particularly memorable box of cr@p.
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Jimi Hendrix.
There, I said it. Now you can really flame me. I don't like his music one bit.
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Simon Bradley
:lol:
I've said it on here several times - Jeff Beck. Total and utter arse music to my ears. Somewhere Over The Rainbow on Jools Holland is a particularly memorable box of cr@p.
Yeah that was awful.
I've stopped getting excited about guitarists, I notice songs rather than playing nowadays, can't think the last time I though "Christ he can play" other than when watching folk by themselves on youtube and stuff.
I suppose I don't get the fuss with most classic rock players outwith the Stones, Pink Floyd and Sabbath.
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I'm more interested in seeing what people say on this thread than getting into debates. But there are some.... surprising.... nominations so far! :lol:
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Controversial one here ... Jimmy Page. Horrible sloppy playing, zero tone, nothing special at all.
Agreed, wholeheartedly.
Also
Slash, clapton, SRV, clapton, Bellamy, clapton, Eric Johnson, John Maclaughlin, clapton, allan holdsworth, johnny winter, clapton,
Actually, anyone who played 12 bar for more than 15% of their carreer. That should cut down on the typing. Also various avant gard folk, whos skills I appreciated but bollocks to listening to them. And clapton.
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Allan Holdsworth
Allman Brothers (beside I really like Lynyrd, I think AB have very good musicians, but boring on most songs...)
Kerry King & Jeff Hanneman ( + Dave Mustaine, Kirk Hammet, Scott Ian and most thrashers)
Vai, Eric Johnson...
Matthew Bellamy (beside "Uprising")
David Gilmour (same as Allman B)
John Petrucci... He plays weaker than my 7 years old sister would... Somebody need to tell him to play like a man)
Perhaps Rory Gallagher, I didn't listen much of his songs but the ones I listened didn't make me wish listen more... Perhaps I should go take a try again as there are lots of fans...
Van Halen - he is really good, but not much love for VH songs, although I like his solos a lot...
will stop here before someone shoot me to death :P
Perhaps $%&#ing NOT rory gallagher.
The others meet with my full approval, however.
I realise that rory might violate the 15% 12 bar thing. But I'll forgive him.
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Most shredders, Clapton, Jimmy Page, David Gilmour, BB King and most of all Carlos Santana (screws up every single he asked to play on).
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Alan Holdsworth
Derek Bailey (http://youtu.be/H5EMuO5P174 (http://youtu.be/H5EMuO5P174))
Some Steve Vai
Some Hendrix
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Most shredders, Clapton, Jimmy Page, David Gilmour, BB King and most of all Carlos Santana (screws up every single he asked to play on).
I forgot santana. And clapton.
Also,
Mustaine
I'd say Hammet but he doesnt count because hes actually sucked since 1991
Chris Broderic is probably one of the most technically talented and versatile musicians alive, and his dedication to continually learning and improving, along with his humility, are an inspiration. His playing bores me $%&#ing senseless.
Muhammed Suicmez.
Malmsteen. Obvioulsy.
Frank zappa.
His progeny.
I dont know that hes supposed to be 'good' but john fruscantes "playing" does my head in (with a couple of songs as exceptions).
Zakk wylde.
Starting to feel like a bit of a naysaying tosser now (though that seems to be what the topic wants...) so some guitarists I do really really like. They may or may not be terribly 'technically acomplished', but I like their playing and tunes.
Karl sanders and dallas toler wade (nile)
Paul Ryan (Origin)
Rodrigo and gabriella (and = y)
Paco delucia
Paul kossoff.
James hetfield
Tony Iommi
Mike Sullivan (russian circles)
Aaron turner (but only in ISIS)
Pepper Keenan (Groovy Rifftastic)
Tommy Emmanuel
Mark Tremonti....yeah, I went there. He got good, and I like his style.
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Chris Broderic is probably one of the most technically talented and versatile musicians alive, and his dedication to continually learning and improving, along with his humility, are an inspiration. His playing bores me $%&#ing senseless.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
That totally cracked me up.
Starting to feel like a bit of a naysaying tosser now (though that seems to be what the topic wants...)
No, not at all - that's why I said "guitarists you don't get" rather than "guitarists you hate". Not meaning to be mean-spirited, just expressing a mild sense of befuddlement. :wink:
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Albert Lee. If you're reading this Albert then please stop playing so fast. Just stop it. It's entirely unnecessary.
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Chris Broderic is probably one of the most technically talented and versatile musicians alive, and his dedication to continually learning and improving, along with his humility, are an inspiration. His playing bores me $%&#ing senseless.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
That totally cracked me up.
Starting to feel like a bit of a naysaying tosser now (though that seems to be what the topic wants...)
No, not at all - that's why I said "guitarists you don't get" rather than "guitarists you hate". Not meaning to be mean-spirited, just expressing a mild sense of befuddlement. :wink:
Fair play :)
Frank - mum has used Lee as a session guitarist for some of her stuff: apparently there are some things that it amuses him that people keep trying to play, because they're so fast. In fact, it was recorded in half time and the tape speed doubled. He thinks its funny people think hes that fast.
Hes also a bloody boring guitarist. A lot of his stuff got ditched. I mean, it takes skill to come in a studio and pick up an unfamiliar song with one pass, then lay down a well played and reasonably fitting take in the second. But hes dull to me (and it seems not just to me).
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i keep trying to like Joe Satriani, and i just... don't. he bores me. with the exception of a couple of tracks i really like, he's just tedious. and he manages to produce the most horrible guitar sounds from every piece of equipment he touches.
and Clapton. i know it's a cliche, but really, he hasn't done anything decent since the 60's. to be honest, i thought cream were a bit cr@p too :oops:
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Vai and his ilk of shreddy instrumentalists. I just can't listen to his albums, they bore me senseless after the first track. Conversely I could listen to Gilmour paint soundscapes endlessley. I just wish he'd not sing. His singing is like vocal vallium. Spoils all his good instrumentals ;)
Then there's Tom Morrello, absolutely love his rythmn playing, don't get his 'solos'... I like to make silly noises with the best of them. But at least I keep it to myself.
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Eric Clapton. Six string coma...
Steve Howe. I mean, really??
Robert Fripp. WTF doesn't even begin :?
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Guitarists I don't get:
Steve Vai
Zakk Wylde
Joe Bonamassa
Eric Johnson
Matt Bellamy
Yngwie Malmsteen
And that's my list of players I can see others liking but that I just don't get, rather than a list of people I genuinely think are terrible musicians. That list would be a lot longer. :)
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Guthrie Govan, technically amazing, musically I don't get him
That Monkey tw@t off youtube, seriously, why?
That guy that plays Jazz blues from down south, can't remember his name becuase he's so bland. You know a tokai 335 and SVL guitars, always in the guitar mags going on about tone. Plays in an organ trio. Loves Two Rock.
Somebody tell me his bland name, it's driving me nuts!
I was going to say Satriani, but he has had some great musical ideas and I've probably nicked a few. Pity his tone is shitee.
Peter Green - Only Joking, he's the best ever. I wonder if being a blues guy, he will crop up in anybodies don't get list, or the fact that he didn't churn it out wearing Armani suits in the 80's means he might get away with it?
He certainly played 12 bar more that 15% but wrote some killer songs.
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Guthrie Govan, Vai, Satriani, Santana... these are all good suggestions that have come up :)
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And Michael Angelo Batio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb5QaCfm7bg
I don't want the keys to that Lamborghini. They sound nothing like that, that sounds more like a chipmunk playing the fiddle.
They sound like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48ecCtbP5iY&feature=related
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Van Halen - he is really good, but not much love for VH songs, although I like his solos a lot...
You see Fernando, I like his songs and riffs, but not his solos.. so thats funny!
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Not much love for Clapton here! :lol:
I thought Telerocker was brave to call out BB King - most of the time, it seems like whenever his name is mentioned we're supposed to throw ourselves on the ground, flagellate our backs with birch twigs and mutter "not worthy, not worthy...". But I've never "got" him - not even Live at the Regal.
Carlos Santana is an interesting one - I actually love his playing, all those sustained singing notes and fat neck pickup tones. But I absolutely loathe all his recent albums with guest vocalists (including the Guitar Heaven covers album :x ) - he seems to have no sensitivity to the material at all, just blows the patented Carlos Santana Guitar Solo (TM) over each and every song*. He could basically go in and do all the solos before they record the rest of the albums. :(
(*which made me think, maybe that could capture that sound in an "Enhancement Pedal"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIUfqKcakE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIUfqKcakE) )
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I see Rory Gallaghers been mentioned a few times.. I find this unfair, but I would like to suggest his namesakes Noel and Liam
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Not much love for Clapton here! :lol:
I thought Telerocker was brave to call out BB King - most of the time, it seems like whenever his name is mentioned we're supposed to throw ourselves on the ground, flagellate our backs with birch twigs and mutter "not worthy, not worthy...". But I've never "got" him - not even Live at the Regal.
Carlos Santana is an interesting one - I actually love his playing, all those sustained singing notes and fat neck pickup tones. But I absolutely loathe all his recent albums with guest vocalists (including the Guitar Heaven covers album :x ) - he seems to have no sensitivity to the material at all, just blows the patented Carlos Santana Guitar Solo (TM) over each and every song*. He could basically go in and do all the solos before they record the rest of the albums. :(
(*which made me think, maybe that could capture that sound in an "Enhancement Pedal"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIUfqKcakE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIUfqKcakE) )
I wanted to mention BB too, but I do like him, just think hes a bit overrated.
Clapton's period in Cream and Derek and The Dominos saves him for me.. but think his solo and Bluesbreakers stuff is very middle of the road/boring.
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Just thought of a couple of guys who seem to be better known for their YouTube videos than recordings or live work:
Thomas Blug
Gregor Hilden
Great, tasteful tones for sure.... but they're so bland.
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How could I forget Brian May!
Nice bloke though but I prefer to see him on Sky at Night than playing guitar
Would be interesting to see if there is one guitarist that we all universally 'get'
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'ere Philly.... you stole my idea for this thread... :lol: :lol: .
No surprises in the replies - 12 bar blues lovers/haters, shredders lovers/haters, Jeff Beck haters(Twinfan :D) etc. Agree with the Jimmy Page comments - came up with some great riffs but always found his live playing to be all over the place.
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I'm getting the impression from this thread that Clapton is so clichéed it's actually a cliché to not like him.
Robert Cray. Just ... ugh. Blues for dentists. Horrible.
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Most if not all shredders, those dudes from Dragonforce.
And thank god I'm not the only one who mentions Clapton and Hendrix.
I do get Page, BB King and even the Edge.
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'ere Philly.... you stole my idea for this thread... :lol: :lol: .
Yeah, sorry 'bout that. :oops: I did say at the start it was picking up from the Bonamassa thread, I thought you had a good idea which deserved a thread of its own - so I took it upon myself before the discussion died out. Dirty job, but someone hadda do it.... :P
Anyway, might as well have my tuppence worth on Jimmy Page - I know he's sloppy and always was, when I see him on TV shows or whatever now I cringe. But apart from guitar, he was such an incredible writer/arranger/producer. And he gave us the intro of "In My Time Of Dying", which absolves him of all other sins.
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Robert Cray. Just ... ugh. Blues for dentists. Horrible.
Yeah, his music is..... lightweight, to say the least.
But thanks to him, Fender make a hardtail Strat with a decent-sized neck. So I forgive him.
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Can I just single out Page's slide playing for special contempt? It's utterly rubbish.
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Would be interesting to see if there is one guitarist that we all universally 'get'
I suspect that will be Iommi
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Does 'not get' = 'not like'? There are plenty of guitarists whose playing I do not like, Slash, Satriani or Vai, for example but I get what is technically good about them. On the other hand I just do not 'get', say, Alan Holdsworth or Jeff Beck.
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Would be interesting to see if there is one guitarist that we all universally 'get'
I suspect that will be Iommi
Nope, I've met many guitarists who don't get him.
The one we all get? Django Reinhardt?
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anyone mentioned Henry Kaiser?
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anyone mentioned Henry Kaiser?
If Philly Q can let Robert Cray off for his contribution to Q-friendly Strat configurations then Henry Kaiser gets special dispensation from me for his work with Werner Herzog.
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Fantastic thread. :D
But I don't really feel I can contribute... :lol:
Two examples:
I could say "Slash". But as a guitarist I do "get him". He's not bad at all., but I wouldn't go out of my way to listen or watch him though. But that opinion is entirely based on his image and the GnR stuff I've heard - unlistenable tosh in my ears. The guitar playing's fine and dandy, but I don't listen to music just for the guitar playing. The thing is though, I also know that loads of guitarists think Appetite is the bees-knees, and they can't all be wrong, so... er... I "get him", he's cool in my books.
Mr Bonamassa. Fine, fine guitarist. I'd probably love him live but have no desire to go to see him. I've got several CDs even. But they don't get listened to that often because there's always something that I want to listen to more. I have to admit that, for me, he's "guitarist's elevator music", nice to have on in the background, doesn't ruffle any feathers. But I definitely "get" him and his playing, and good on him for what he does...
Basically, I "get" all guitarists, doesn't matter how good/poor they are, how complex/simple their playing. I don't mind if they're playing established blues/rocknroll licks or wandering off into the esoteric realms of modes and other crazy sh1t. Once I sit down and listen to any guitarist I can usually hear something that makes it worth my time to listen to.
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Jimmi Hendrix
George Harrison
Jack White
Omar Rodriguez
wes borland
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Would be interesting to see if there is one guitarist that we all universally 'get'
I suspect that will be Iommi
Nope, I've met many guitarists who don't get him.
They aren't on here yet though Ratrod ;)
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That guy that plays Jazz blues from down south, can't remember his name becuase he's so bland. You know a tokai 335 and SVL guitars, always in the guitar mags going on about tone. Plays in an organ trio. Loves Two Rock.
Somebody tell me his bland name, it's driving me nuts!
Matt Schofield mate, love him!
However I don't get Daron Malakian, I don't mind a couple of their songs, but people hold him in high regard...and I just don't get it
Jeff Beck definitely, he always seems to be out of tune to me. Holdsworth is the same, just sounds like a bag of wank.
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I think I'm with AndyR on this. I have guitarist I like listening to, and I have guitarists I don't listen to, but I'm not sure if I'd class myself as not getting them, rather having something more interesting I want to listen to or something else to do, like have a wank. I think I'm more interested in the music and the song.
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I interpreted "don't get" as "don't get why anybody could think they're any good"
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I think I'm with AndyR on this. I have guitarist I like listening to, and I have guitarists I don't listen to, but I'm not sure if I'd class myself as not getting them, rather having something more interesting I want to listen to or something else to do, like have a wank. I think I'm more interested in the music and the song.
Totally agree ... well perhaps forget the wanking :lol:. I think automatically labelling guitarists as cr@p if you don't get them is doing yourself no favours. I'm a typical (old) rock/blues fan but I do try to listen to music/guitarists I'm not comfortable with. Often you can find a lick/riff/technique which you can use in your own style of playing which you would never have thought of before.
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I love Maiden, obviously.. But I do wonder about Dave Murray sometimes - is he really good?
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I love Maiden, obviously.. But I do wonder about Dave Murray sometimes - is he really good?
Murray is one of my major influences, so yeah, I'd say he's good. Gers, on the other hand... :shock:
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Would be interesting to see if there is one guitarist that we all universally 'get'
I suspect that will be Iommi
Nope, I've met many guitarists who don't get him.
They aren't on here yet though Ratrod ;)
I beg to differ
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I love Maiden, obviously.. But I do wonder about Dave Murray sometimes - is he really good?
Murray is one of my major influences, so yeah, I'd say he's good. Gers, on the other hand... :shock:
I never liked Janick Gers' playing ... he always struck me as a tenth rate Blackmore wannabe. But then I'm only familiar with the 1980s stuff he did with Ian Gillan when Bernie Tormé quit the band. Definite tone vacuum, uninspiring.
I think we should have a rule in this thread of slag one guitarist, praise another. Soo boo to Janick Gers and yay to Bernie Tormé.
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Fantastic thread. :D
But I don't really feel I can contribute... :lol:
Two examples:
I could say "Slash". But as a guitarist I do "get him". He's not bad at all., but I wouldn't go out of my way to listen or watch him though. But that opinion is entirely based on his image and the GnR stuff I've heard - unlistenable tosh in my ears. The guitar playing's fine and dandy, but I don't listen to music just for the guitar playing. The thing is though, I also know that loads of guitarists think Appetite is the bees-knees, and they can't all be wrong, so... er... I "get him", he's cool in my books.
Mr Bonamassa. Fine, fine guitarist. I'd probably love him live but have no desire to go to see him. I've got several CDs even. But they don't get listened to that often because there's always something that I want to listen to more. I have to admit that, for me, he's "guitarist's elevator music", nice to have on in the background, doesn't ruffle any feathers. But I definitely "get" him and his playing, and good on him for what he does...
Basically, I "get" all guitarists, doesn't matter how good/poor they are, how complex/simple their playing. I don't mind if they're playing established blues/rocknroll licks or wandering off into the esoteric realms of modes and other crazy sh1t. Once I sit down and listen to any guitarist I can usually hear something that makes it worth my time to listen to.
I think this is just a slightly different interpretation of the discussion - in my terms, what you've said about Slash (loads of other guitarists thinking he's the bee's knees) and Joe B (elevator music! :lol: ) is "not getting" them. You can appreciate their skills but their playing/music doesn't move you, whereas other people think they're the best thing since sliced bread.
I interpreted "don't get" as "don't get why anybody could think they're any good"
I think automatically labelling guitarists as cr@p if you don't get them is doing yourself no favours.
For me, it's "don't get what all the fuss is about". I'm not in a position to say anyone isn't any good, or god forbid label them as cr@p. They're all better than me. But I don't necessarily connect with what they do.
John McLaughlin is a good example for me. Maybe Allan Holdsworth for some. Or - let's throw them into the mix - Pat Metheny or Shawn Lane. Obviously they're good, incredibly good in fact, but personally I find their music absolutely unlistenable.
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The one we all get? Django Reinhardt?
Robert Johnson?
I think if we all "agreed" on those, at least half of us would be just pretending to know what we're talking about. I haven't heard enough of their music to genuinely feel qualified to comment.
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I interpreted "don't get" as "don't get why anybody could think they're any good"
For me, it's "don't get what all the fuss is about".
You worded it better than me :)
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Janick Gers? = Just Sloppy..
Eric Johnson?
Shawn Lane?
Off the top of my head.. :?
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The one we all get? Django Reinhardt?
Robert Johnson?
I think if we all "agreed" on those, at least half of us would be just pretending to know what we're talking about. I haven't heard enough of their music to genuinely feel qualified to comment.
Robert Johnson was the other one that crossed my mind.
Chet Atkins too.
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Yep, that's the wording I'd use: "don't get what all the fuss is about"
Philly - my two "examples" were the ones off the top of my head that I could say I "don't get what all the fuss is about".
But then when I think about them, it turns out I do get what all the fuss is about :lol:
(but could the people who want to make a fuss, kindly make this fuss in the next room, and mebbe keep the noise down, I'll join you in a bit if I feel like it :lol:)
So although there are potentially many guitarists that I don't get, I don't actually want to say out loud that I don't get them!
Here's a good example - Fernando mentioned the Allman Brothers earlier. Now I only know about them up until Duane dying, but I was in the same boat as Fernando - Lynyrd Skynyrd were fab, their heroes were the Allman Brothers, so I must like them. In 1983 or so I got "Live at the Fillmore East" - I'd never been so bored in all my life! I struggled on, and got into some of the tracks, but it was still take-it-or-leave-it.
But sometime in the last 30 odd-years, it grew on me (without me even listening to it!). A couple of years ago I bought the remastered and expanded (:o!) CD version. I just felt I ought to own it, I didn't think I'd listen to it much... But now it's my favourite live album and has been ever since I got the CDs home.
Up until a couple of years ago I could have said "I don't get all the fuss about Duane Allman". But I kind of did really, all along. (I think I actually prefer Dicky Betts though :lol:)
Out of the two I mentioned earlier, it's Slash that I most don't get the point, ask me for a single guitarist who I don't get, it's Slash... but on the other hand I'd much rather listen to Slash playing than Joe Bonamassa - a chap who I do kind of get the point of... :roll: go figure! :lol:
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The 1) edge (i'd like to vote out bono as well but he sings i think)
2) clapton
3) page....... this is half hearted as i love LZ's music and jp's guitaring just think he's way overated (if anyone
can show some live footage where he plays well i'm interested)
4) paul weller
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The one we all get? Django Reinhardt?
Robert Johnson?
I think if we all "agreed" on those, at least half of us would be just pretending to know what we're talking about. I haven't heard enough of their music to genuinely feel qualified to comment.
Can't say I get Robert Johnson myself, I love acoustic blues and I really appreciate how influential he's been on a huge chunk of the music I enjoy and play myself ,but I can't say I've really enjoyed listening to him on anything more than a historical level.
Blind Blake and Lonnie Johnson on the otherhand I simply adore but thats going off topic
also +∞ for Django
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ALL the shredders. Musical onanism to me.
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most shredders i listen to, on solo albums at least, do nothing for me. generally does just sound like a basic riffy track, with the occasional obligatory odd time or key change, with endless widdly soloing over the top. the exceptions, for me, are Steve Vai and Paul Gilbert. maybe Mattias Ia Eklundh. Vai in particular i really enjoy. i think his music has a lot more thought involved than the vast majority of shredders. Gilbert brings a humour and loosness to his music that is very appealing. Eklundh is just nuts! couldn't listen to him all day, but in reasonable doses, he's quite entertaining.
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Even the good ones sound like they're trying to cram too many notes in to me.
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The 1st 1s that come to mind for me are Jeff Beck, David Gilmour and The Edge.
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I love Maiden, obviously.. But I do wonder about Dave Murray sometimes - is he really good?
Murray is one of my major influences, so yeah, I'd say he's good. Gers, on the other hand... :shock:
OK, I'll take that.
I don't like Murray's lead work, but his riffs are great indeed.
Agree with Gers.
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Here's a good example - Fernando mentioned the Allman Brothers earlier. Now I only know about them up until Duane dying, but I was in the same boat as Fernando - Lynyrd Skynyrd were fab, their heroes were the Allman Brothers, so I must like them. In 1983 or so I got "Live at the Fillmore East" - I'd never been so bored in all my life! I struggled on, and got into some of the tracks, but it was still take-it-or-leave-it.
But sometime in the last 30 odd-years, it grew on me (without me even listening to it!). A couple of years ago I bought the remastered and expanded (:o!) CD version. I just felt I ought to own it, I didn't think I'd listen to it much... But now it's my favourite live album and has been ever since I got the CDs home.
The Allman Brothers Band is a very good example for this thread. I too like Lynyrd Skynyrd (and Molly Hatchet! :lol: ), so, many years ago, I too bought "Live at the Fillmore East". I haven't listened to it many times since, but unlike you I still haven't reached the point where I "get" it. When I listen to it, it literally seems to pass by without making any impression on me at all. Sitting here now, I honestly can't remember anything about it (apart from "Whipping Post", but that's more due to the Zappa version!)
Yeah...... continuing that thought, some music seems to be just too incomprehensible to sink into my brain at all - Birds of Fire by Mahavishnu Orchestra is another example which springs to mind. I've got the CD, but I can't for the life of me think what it sounds like.
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I too find the Allman's Live At Fillmore East seriously underwhelming. But, I do like their studio albums.
As for guitarists we all "get" (or like)... I think it'll be impossible to find one. I can appreciate Django's skill on the instrument, but I can't listen to it. At all.
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I bought Molly Hatchet long time ago. LP's are somewhere in the cellar. All albumcovers looked the same. I remember I liked Flirtin with Disaster, though it's no more than typical straightforward southern rock.
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Maybe I'm under-analysing this (which is a change :oops: :lol: ), but I can't think of anyone whose playing I like/can appreciate, but whose music I don't really like. If I like their playing I normally like their music, and vice-versa.
Of course I'm probably just forgetting someone really obvious :lol:
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Jeff Beck
Allan Holdsworth
Eddie Van Halen
Eric Johnson
Steve Morse
Eric Clapton
Misha Mansoor
Steve Howe
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ALL the shredders. Musical onanism to me.
All music is onanism. Its just a question of what gets you off.
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ALL the shredders. Musical onanism to me.
All music is onanism. Its just a question of what gets you off.
+1 :lol:
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Keef Richards,(and the rest of them)!
i'm unsurprised to see Holdsworth and Mclaughlin above but Eddy...cripes even if you don't like the band you've gotta
love eddy.
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^ +1 (assuming by eddie you mean evh). That's a bit like saying you like football but don't like pele or george best.
ALL the shredders. Musical onanism to me.
All music is onanism. Its just a question of what gets you off.
+2 :lol:
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i have to agree with Twinfan in regards to Jeff Beck and his performance on 'Later...' was terrible
I don't get Synyster Gates from Avenged Sevenfold, they supported Maiden and he was sloppier than Janick
Also don't get Joe Bonamassa, i listen to black country communion and just want him to start using cold sweat's and get some edginess into his tone
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I personally don't get Yngwie Malmsteen these days. I use to love him pre Seventh Sign (although I did quite like this album). If you listen to solos like on the song 'You Don't Remember, I'll Never Forget', it's just shredding brilliance. He actually shreds with feel and it sounds very cool also. Nowadays, it just sounds all the bloody same. There's no feel at all :/
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Ok then. All music is onanism, some more onanistic than others.
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still disagree
if you want me to admit that a type of music i like is less musically valid than the stuff you like, good luck with that :lol:
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still disagree
if you want me to admit that a type of music i like is less musically valid than the stuff you like, good luck with that :lol:
Or, my onanaism is just as onanistic as your onanism.
+1
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At the end of the day I don't really give a toss.
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:lol:
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^ +1 (assuming by eddie you mean evh). That's a bit like saying you like football but don't like pele or george best.
Well, except that musical taste is subjective and success at a sporting activity is objective.
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^ +1 (assuming by eddie you mean evh). That's a bit like saying you like football but don't like pele or george best.
Well, except that musical taste is subjective and success at a sporting activity is objective.
I agree, but not totally objective in the case of footballers since individual contributions are only meaningful in the context of a team!
Asking "who's the best (or most "liked") footballer" (which I assume is the implication of the Pele/Best comment) is every bit as subjective as asking the same thing about guitarists. Some people admire the "flair" players with flashy skills, others admire the grafters with high work rates or the midfield generals who can control the pace and shape of the game. There's no such thing as a one man team (....except maybe Southampton in the Matt Le Tissier era!)
Anyway, it's easy to not like EVH. He was great, a breath of fresh air and hugely influential for about 10 years. For the last 20 he's been an annoying, deranged bell-end who can't play live and hasn't recorded anything worth listening to.
IMO, of course. :wink:
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^ +1 (assuming by eddie you mean evh). That's a bit like saying you like football but don't like pele or george best.
Well, except that musical taste is subjective and success at a sporting activity is objective.
I find that the faster a guitarist plays, the less I like him/her. That's kind of objective isn't it?
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^ +1 (assuming by eddie you mean evh). That's a bit like saying you like football but don't like pele or george best.
Well, except that musical taste is subjective and success at a sporting activity is objective.
I find that the faster a guitarist plays, the less I like him/her. That's kind of objective isn't it?
New favourite band for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnG6EHh1N4
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See, that's another thing I don't get. Why is he dressed like Gandalf? Call me old fashioned but I just can't relate to all that silly black magic nonsense.
And don't get me started on bloody Rush. Songs about flying a spaceship into a black hole? Yeah right. Means less than nothing to me.
In fact, I'm adding Alex Lifeson to my list for this reason. That's my logic, I don't have to justify it to you people.
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See, that's another thing I don't get. Why is he dressed like Gandalf? Call me old fashioned but I just can't relate to all that silly black magic nonsense.
It's theatre. That's it. Don't see what's hard to get, whether one likes it or not. Some folks have pyro and lightshows, some people have banks of dancers and some people fill stages with smoke and wear habits...
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And don't get me started on bloody Rush. Songs about flying a spaceship into a black hole? Yeah right. Means less than nothing to me.
In fact, I'm adding Alex Lifeson to my list for this reason. That's my logic, I don't have to justify it to you people.
That was 1978!
Everything they've done since has been firmly earthbound, lyrically speaking.
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^ +1 (assuming by eddie you mean evh). That's a bit like saying you like football but don't like pele or george best.
Well, except that musical taste is subjective and success at a sporting activity is objective.
I find that the faster a guitarist plays, the less I like him/her. That's kind of objective isn't it?
New favourite band for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnG6EHh1N4
Please don't post anything like that again.
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I've been struggling with this thread - trying to separate out guitarists that I don't get from those I don't like.
I don't LIKE a few - Hammett springs to mind. I GET him, but I can't stand how he sounds, his tone, his vibrato.
In fact, the only guitarist that I can think of that I truly don't GET is...
... Derek Bailey.
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And don't get me started on bloody Rush. Songs about flying a spaceship into a black hole? Yeah right. Means less than nothing to me.
In fact, I'm adding Alex Lifeson to my list for this reason. That's my logic, I don't have to justify it to you people.
That was 1978!
Everything they've done since has been firmly earthbound, lyrically speaking.
Not... er... strictly true... :lol:
But, actually, Alex Lifeson (and Geddy Lee, in fact, Rush in general) is another very good example for me. I was there in the late 70s early 80s when hairy erks wandered around with "two thousand one hundred and twelve" (as my mother put it!) emblazoned on their shiny denim cut-offs. I suffered numerous chaps extolling the virtues and utter genius of Rush....
Left me dead cold. The music was far too jerky and complicated. The singer squeaked like a squeaky thing. And the lyrics... what a bunch of old tosh.
I thought I ought to give them a go, so I bought that triple album (Archive? Chronicle?) of the first three albums, and All the World's A Stage. I liked the first album (before the offending lyricist and possibly "over technical" drummer joined) apart from it being a bit squeaky. Fly By Night and Caress of Steel were obviously very accomplished but didn't half go on a bit (remember I was in the middle of converting from heavy metal to blues-rock and I was seeing Rory Gallagher live approx once a year or so at the time :lol:).
The live album was nearer to making sense to me, except it was SO tiring to listen to because of the sound of it - squeaky vox, lots of cymbals, and Lifeson's guitar...
I spent years going "I don't get Rush..."
Then a few years ago I looked into them again. I am now stunned by what I missed in the early 80s because I looked down on the jerky arrangements, the squeaky big-nosed bloke, and the art-student lyrics (I mean, what self-respecting bunch of musicians is going to let the drummer write the lyrics?! :lol:). The lyrics took me the longest to get over, but I've even managed that. They sometimes make me laugh, but I just accept them for what they are now - they are pretty much integral to the whole thing, something that I argued against very strongly 20-odd years ago.
Don't tell Freddie, but it's quite possible that if someone asked me to name my favourite (just one, no runners up allowed) artiste, I could no longer say Queen (:o). For the last two years, every day (during my commute to and from work) I have listened to Rush's entire back-catalogue, in order, over and over again. I spend a day or two trying other stuff, but I go back to Rush. There is no other artiste I can think of that I can do this with. I've tried it with Rory, and Queen, but I just get bored.
In a way, this is the perfect example of why I have trouble saying "I don't get..." out loud. There's plenty of stuff I don't get, but there have been a lot of instances now where I have discovered that I was a bit wrong...
Of course, when we go "I don't get...", it's actually a cry for help - "teach me how to love this, it's obviously good, but I don't get it..." (Example: Roo - Telecasters) (Sorry Roo! :wink: :lol:)
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^ +1 (assuming by eddie you mean evh). That's a bit like saying you like football but don't like pele or george best.
Well, except that musical taste is subjective and success at a sporting activity is objective.
I find that the faster a guitarist plays, the less I like him/her. That's kind of objective isn't it?
New favourite band for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnG6EHh1N4
Please don't post anything like that again.
Sunn0))) are great. Mind you I don't imagine Merzbow and Whitehouse would find much love here either. Suppose they fall firmly within the "get or not" class. As much as I hate when folks state that if people don't like something it's because they don't get it. Admittedly that's usually Radiohead obsessives.
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Don't tell Freddie, but it's quite possible that if someone asked me to name my favourite (just one, no runners up allowed) artiste, I could no longer say Queen (:o). For the last two years, every day (during my commute to and from work) I have listened to Rush's entire back-catalogue, in order, over and over again. I spend a day or two trying other stuff, but I go back to Rush. There is no other artiste I can think of that I can do this with. I've tried it with Rory, and Queen, but I just get bored.
Three cheers for AndyR! Hip hip.... :D
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And don't get me started on bloody Rush. Songs about flying a spaceship into a black hole? Yeah right. Means less than nothing to me.
thats an amazing song theme - might need to pocket that one.
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Most of the "big names" I think. To be honest quite recently I've started finding a lot of lead guitar-based stuff really tedious and cr@p to listen to.
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Most of the "big names" I think. To be honest quite recently I've started finding a lot of lead guitar-based stuff really tedious and cr@p to listen to.
this might change your mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-C_pA6WyfA (but maybe not, I personally really like it)
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Most of the "big names" I think. To be honest quite recently I've started finding a lot of lead guitar-based stuff really tedious and cr@p to listen to.
this might change your mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-C_pA6WyfA (but maybe not, I personally really like it)
Now that's a tune!
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Some folks have pyro and lightshows, some people have banks of dancers and some people fill stages with smoke and wear habits...
... and some people just walk onstage and play guitar with no gimmicks. And they at least try to write lyrics that make sense instead of some puerile teenage science fiction black magic fantasy guff about black holes and dragons. With a 20 minute guitar solo. In 7/8 time.
God I hate Rush so much. They're the reason we need Motorhead.
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Some folks have pyro and lightshows, some people have banks of dancers and some people fill stages with smoke and wear habits...
... and some people just walk onstage and play guitar with no gimmicks.
They do. And all of things suit different acts. By definition though, some of the above are only gimmicks in the case of some bands. Certainly big lightshows and dancers aren't at big/pop shows since they are standard features. And mystic getup isn't within the dronedoom/black metal/noise etc spheres since again it's the norm, not the exception.
And they at least try to write lyrics that make sense instead of some puerile teenage science fiction black magic fantasy guff about black holes and dragons. With a 20 minute guitar solo. In 7/8 time.
God I hate Rush so much. They're the reason we need Motorhead.
I like that Rush are puerile teenage nonsense (which the early albums certainly are, lyrically) and Motorhead aren't :lol: Puerile teenage nonsense is what makes LOADS of music fun!
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Some folks have pyro and lightshows, some people have banks of dancers and some people fill stages with smoke and wear habits...
... and some people just walk onstage and play guitar with no gimmicks.
They do. And all of things suit different acts. By definition though, some of the above are only gimmicks in the case of some bands. Certainly big lightshows and dancers aren't at big/pop shows since they are standard features. And mystic getup isn't within the dronedoom/black metal/noise etc spheres since again it's the norm, not the exception.
And they at least try to write lyrics that make sense instead of some puerile teenage science fiction black magic fantasy guff about black holes and dragons. With a 20 minute guitar solo. In 7/8 time.
God I hate Rush so much. They're the reason we need Motorhead.
I like that Rush are puerile teenage nonsense (which the early albums certainly are, lyrically) and Motorhead aren't :lol: Puerile teenage nonsense is what makes LOADS of music fun!
For once I'm in total agreement with nfe! :P
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Don't get:
Kirk Hammett
Slash
Eric Clapton
Clapton is the shocker for most I guess, its not that he is bad but there are so many blues guitarists I prefer. I don't see all the fuss about Eric, however its all down to personal taste as it should be. Except for Hammett, I wonder about peoples musical ears if they like him lol
Martin
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Clapton and the like do seem to surprise most, I dunno how to put it, sorta passive guitar fans I suppose? I can't think of a less condescending turn of phrase. When I worked in Sound Control and later Reverb, whenever AC/DC or Clapton or Bonamassa or whoever else was playing in Glasgow we'd have punters just in the city for the show in the shop all day asking if we were going, so you'd have a full day of:
"Going to see XXXXX tonight?"
"Nah."
"But you work in a guitar shop! The other guys get all the free tickets or something?"
"No, none of them are going either."
"Eh? But this is a guitar shop!"
ALL day. Every time. We had a check of Ents 24 every week to try and get the days off to coincide :lol:
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i think Clapton is important because he found the sound in a Les Paul/Marshall/treble booster combination, and then played it rather nicely on the Bluesbreaker album. but in 1970 the wrong guitarist choked to death in London. that's a horrible thing to say! i know. but Clapton hasn't done anything useful since, while i suspect Hendrix might well have made music today a different thing.
Kirk Hammett? again, i loved his playing and tone on the first Metallica album, and he has done some fine playing since. but the last time he was awake in a recording studio was 1988 when they recorded ...And Justice For All
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this might change your mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-C_pA6WyfA (but maybe not, I personally really like it)
Not really my kind of thing. Schenker was great in UFO and I think influenced my lead playing quite a bit, but I don't like anything he's done outside of that. Over probably the last year my music tastes have shifted over to more punky/hardcore stuff where solos aren't really needed :P
This is the kind of interesting guitar that I love - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHDop-KFb5c
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It seems to me that Clapton bashing is the norm rather than the opposite amongst guitarists at the moment. Type 'Clapton' into the search engine of most guitar forums and you'll get a chorus of disapproval rather than the opposite.
Personally, I have been learning the Beano album for a while and totally get what makes Clapton cool - the Dave Rubin analysis in his book on that album has only confirmed that to me.
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Yeah, I've been known to "bash" Mr Clapton once or twice in my time. It was usually because non-guitarists hold him in such high esteem (especially 20 years or so ago) compared to all-comers... without knowing any of the all-comers they're dismissing, especially my particular fave at the time (whoever that might be) :lol:
But I have to say, even when I was bashing him, he is right "up there" on the table of "dudes" for me. The Beano stuff is stunning, even if I don't want to listen to it very often. It might sound like a pile of old poo to many people now, but it was ground-breaking stuff when they made it. I came to it mebbe even as much as 15/20 years late. I was following the "listen to the old guys" advice, and nearly everything I heard from that period was just too far from what I was trying to achieve. Then I put the Beano album on and it was "aha! the missing link..."
I also liked his mid-70s stuff, the "big three", 461, Backless, and Slowhand especially. And Just One Night is one of my all time favourite live albums. Wonderful Tonight and Let it Grow were staples in my solo acoustic set in the 80s. Early in the Morning, Key to the Highway, and Have You Ever Loved a Woman got played countless times in the band I was fronting then...
So actually, although I've been an ardent basher over the years... I obviously seriously "got" him as well! :D
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Most of the "big names" I think. To be honest quite recently I've started finding a lot of lead guitar-based stuff really tedious and cr@p to listen to.
this might change your mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-C_pA6WyfA (but maybe not, I personally really like it)
That's fricken cool!
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Most of the "big names" I think. To be honest quite recently I've started finding a lot of lead guitar-based stuff really tedious and cr@p to listen to.
this might change your mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-C_pA6WyfA (but maybe not, I personally really like it)
That's fricken cool!
all the stuff I've heard from his 'Odd Trio' album has been great. i'd love to get copy.
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I am with Dave - I just don't get Jeff Beck. Seen him live - amazing player - just don't get the music
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Most of the "big names" I think. To be honest quite recently I've started finding a lot of lead guitar-based stuff really tedious and cr@p to listen to.
this might change your mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-C_pA6WyfA (but maybe not, I personally really like it)
That's fricken cool!
all the stuff I've heard from his 'Odd Trio' album has been great. i'd love to get copy.
Michael's one of my favs. Will never put him or his brother on the "do not get" list. :D
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Well, except that musical taste is subjective and success at a sporting activity is objective.
I don't think so. My favourite tennis player might not be the "best" tennis player, for example. Federer might bore me to tears, say, but, I dunno, Tsonga or someone like that might be more exciting to watch for me.
(a) I agree, but not totally objective in the case of footballers since individual contributions are only meaningful in the context of a team!
Asking "who's the best (or most "liked") footballer" (which I assume is the implication of the Pele/Best comment) is every bit as subjective as asking the same thing about guitarists. Some people admire the "flair" players with flashy skills, others admire the grafters with high work rates or the midfield generals who can control the pace and shape of the game. There's no such thing as a one man team (....except maybe Southampton in the Matt Le Tissier era!)
(b) Anyway, it's easy to not like EVH. He was great, a breath of fresh air and hugely influential for about 10 years. For the last 20 he's been an annoying, deranged bell-end who can't play live and hasn't recorded anything worth listening to.
IMO, of course. :wink:
(a) exactly :)
(b) Oh sure, I was talking about when he was awesome. :lol:
I find that the faster a guitarist plays, the less I like him/her. That's kind of objective isn't it?
The reason is objective, but whether or not your reasoning is right is subjective.
That's a bit like saying you like books the fewer pages and words they contain. Clearly an objective reason, but also clearly bullshiteeee of the first order. EDIT: just to clarify, I'm not saying your claim about the music is bullshitee. I'm just saying it's not objective, either.
So, no, in other words. :lol:
I've been struggling with this thread - trying to separate out guitarists that I don't get from those I don't like.
I don't LIKE a few - Hammett springs to mind. I GET him, but I can't stand how he sounds, his tone, his vibrato.
Exactly, that's what I was trying to say.
Though, considering he's been mentioned a fair bit, I'd probably agree with jeff beck, he probably does fit the bill for me. Excellent player, just I'm not too fond of what he's playing. :lol:
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I've been struggling with this thread - trying to separate out guitarists that I don't get from those I don't like.
I don't LIKE a few - Hammett springs to mind. I GET him, but I can't stand how he sounds, his tone, his vibrato.
In fact, the only guitarist that I can think of that I truly don't GET is...
... Derek Bailey.
If we're going with 'get' as in 'see what they're trying to do' then I get bailey. As with everyone mentioned so far, including by me.
But that interpretation of 'get' gave no opportunity to partake, so I took 'get' to mean ' personally appreciate', so add bailey.
This is NOTHING like sunn o))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pwn0V9thtM
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Yeah, I've been struggling with "get" as well :lol:
I was about to post: Poor old Jeff Beck, gettin a bit of a slammin here... I definitely get him, just don't particularly like much of what I've heard of him...
But that kind of uses a different meaning for "get" than I've been using so far!
I think I've been kind of using "get" as "I don't get what all the fuss is about concerning xxxx".
It's all Philly's fault, of course - badly titled thread sir! :lol:
(Or maybe not, I dunno... :roll:)
Managed to give us all something to do though :D
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Ah, OK - I don't think that I GOT what was meant by GET.
I now fully GET was was meant by GET.
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Ah, OK - I don't think that I GOT what was meant by GET.
I now fully GET was was meant by GET.
Share!! :lol:
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i thought i got what was meant by "get" but now i'm not so sure :oops: :lol:
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It's all Philly's fault, of course - badly titled thread sir! :lol:
(Or maybe not, I dunno... :roll:)
Bollocks, it makes perfect sense. To me. :P
I was about to post: Poor old Jeff Beck, gettin a bit of a slammin here... I definitely get him, just don't particularly like much of what I've heard of him...
But that means you don't get him (IMO)!! You understand what he does technically, you can appreciate his skill, but his music doesn't actually do anything for you.
:|
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Look at it another way: Intellect vs. Emotion. Brain vs. Heart.
We can all understand, on an intellectual level, that - say - Allan Holdsworth is a good guitar player. Or let's simplify it - Steve Vai. Nobody's going to say he isn't any good.
But emotionally, some of us are moved by his playing and music and some of us aren't. Those in the latter category don't "get" it.
QED.
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It's all Philly's fault, of course - badly titled thread sir! :lol:
(Or maybe not, I dunno... :roll:)
Bollocks, it makes perfect sense. To me. :P
I was about to post: Poor old Jeff Beck, gettin a bit of a slammin here... I definitely get him, just don't particularly like much of what I've heard of him...
But that means you don't get him (IMO)!! You understand what he does technically, you can appreciate his skill, but his music doesn't actually do anything for you.
:|
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Look at it another way: Intellect vs. Emotion. Brain vs. Heart.
We can all understand, on an intellectual level, that - say - Allan Holdsworth is a good guitar player. Or let's simplify it - Steve Vai. Nobody's going to say he isn't any good.
But emotionally, some of us are moved by his playing and music and some of us aren't. Those in the latter category don't "get" it.
QED.
I dont get the colourful false dichotomies
:oops:
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Fair enough a lot of people don't get Jeff Beck, but what d'you think of this remix cut and paste job David Torn for the Jeff album................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F57ovfZbj1E
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I dont get the colourful false dichotomies
:oops:
I don't understand true dichotomies, let alone false ones.
:oops: :oops:
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I dont get the colourful false dichotomies
My grandad did. You can get cream for them.
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Ah, but Philly, this emotional involvement, this being moved by a piece of art, it changes over time, and in either direction. At least it does for me anyway. It's dependent on loads of baggage that I bring to the table myself, some of it not in my control. Mainly my current mood, my aspirations, etc, etc.
So are we saying that one can "get" a guitarist, and then when one gets bored or no longer satisfied with him, one no longer "gets" him. And then, when one rediscovers one's first love months or years later, one "gets" him all over again?
:lol:
Just playing with the words, really (and there are huge holes that I could pick in what I've just written).
But...
Some of my most favourite music over my life just does not move me at all at the moment. I could even go as far as saying I don't really like it anymore. If it comes on, after an initial testing of "do I really want to spend time trying to enjoy this?", I am highly likely to turn it off or to ask for it to be turned off. But I also know that there's a distinct possibility that I will like it again, very much, when I'm in a different place emotionally.
Now, do I "get" this music or not? (Perhaps stunningly for some folks, Rory Gallagher's music and guitar playing falls into this category for me. But I don't see how I could possibly say I don't "get" Rory Gallagher :lol:)
And, notice how I neatly side-stepped them colourfully dichotomies there... I didn't get them neither! :D
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Jeff Beck is a weird one. I think I get him, and I really dig his guitar playing as such. But I don't care for the music he wraps around it at all...
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I dont get the colourful false dichotomies
My grandad did. You can get cream for them.
:lol:
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Ah, but Philly, this emotional involvement, this being moved by a piece of art, it changes over time, and in either direction. At least it does for me anyway. It's dependent on loads of baggage that I bring to the table myself, some of it not in my control. Mainly my current mood, my aspirations, etc, etc.
So are we saying that one can "get" a guitarist, and then when one gets bored or no longer satisfied with him, one no longer "gets" him. And then, when one rediscovers one's first love months or years later, one "gets" him all over again?
Well.................
No. I give up.
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Jeff Beck is a weird one. I think I get him, and I really dig his guitar playing as such. But I don't care for the music he wraps around it at all...
Although have always been a big fan I think that is spot on - to me he's at his best with a good rock song and a great singer. Similar with Guthrie Govan - unbelievably talented, can faultlessly play any style but his fusion stuff is just not for me (although I do get it).
As for Clapton bashing I often wonder if this is the same guy from the Beano days when you saw "Clapton is god" sprayed all over hoardings in London and the front of stage used to be crammed at John Mayall gigs with people shouting "Give god solo, give god solo." Although looking back at that music/style today it was fairly basic it was revolutionary at that time and Clapton definitely had a fire and aggression which unfortunately he seemed to lose after his Cream days.
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As for Clapton bashing I often wonder if this is the same guy from the Beano days when you saw "Clapton is god" sprayed all over hoardings in London and the front of stage used to be crammed at John Mayall gigs with people shouting "Give god solo, give god solo." Although looking back at that music/style today it was fairly basic it was revolutionary at that time and Clapton definitely had a fire and aggression which unfortunately he seemed to lose after his Cream days.
I may be mis-remembering, but there was the whole Delaney & Bonnie/Derek and the Dominos period where he seemed to be actively trying to get away from the whole guitar hero, "EC is God" thing. I don't know if that was deliberately extended into the more low-key sound of his early solo albums. And there were drugs involved, too, weren't there?
Personally, I do like (and "get") the Yardbirds, Bluesbreakers and Cream stuff but I've never enjoyed his '70s material, or his guitar sounds from that period. Not a fan of his more recent stuff either, but I do like the tone he gets from his mid-boosted signature Strats (even though we're not supposed to like Strats with non-vintage pickups, are we? :P )
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I may be mis-remembering, but there was the whole Delaney & Bonnie/Derek and the Dominos period where he seemed to be actively trying to get away from the whole guitar hero, "EC is God" thing. I don't know if that was deliberately extended into the more low-key sound of his early solo albums. And there were drugs involved, too, weren't there?
I think that's pretty much how it was. In addition to drugs, alcohol was a big problem. My (first) wife's best friend used to work in a bar in London and EC used to frequent it and get paralytic and very abusive. She got so fed up she refused to serve him and he turned around to her and slurred "Don't you know who I am?". She said "Yes , you're a pathetic drunken w***er, now p*ss off" :)
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:lol:
Ah well, he seems to have sorted himself out nowadays.
That's one thing I do admire about Clapton, nothing really to do with music, is the way he's "grown up" over the years - he's put the rock star lifestyle behind him, doesn't try to dress like he's 30 years younger, no hairpieces or plastic surgery :lol: . I suppose it could be considered boring, but I think it's maturity, and nothing wrong with that.
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I dunno, those suits he wore in the mid-late 80s (and mebbe for longer? I don't know), they took a lot of getting over for me. And that floppsy hairstyle. :lol:
But yeah, he's always done what he needs/wants to do himself, whether it was the "right" or "wrong" thing to do for a career. He's managed to keep doing that, come out the other end alive, and create some extremely popular music while he was doing it. I'm assuming he's not short of a bob or two neither? All in all, not bad... :D
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but I think it's maturity, and nothing wrong with that.
True.... comes too soon for some of us :( :(
By the way I don't think Beck has a wig maker as this shot definitely shows him with a Prince William patch on top :lol: ..... more likely lots of shares in Grecian 2000 :D
http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/10/25/jeff-beck-a-master-class-of-guitar-tech (http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/10/25/jeff-beck-a-master-class-of-guitar-tech)
Notice in the review the comment "While there were moments when technicality and slickness overshadowed the gritty blues guitar sound that initially made him famous, Beck was nevertheless thrilling to watch." .... echoes of what was said above.
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:lol:
Ah well, he seems to have sorted himself out nowadays.
That's one thing I do admire about Clapton, nothing really to do with music, is the way he's "grown up" over the years - he's put the rock star lifestyle behind him, doesn't try to dress like he's 30 years younger, no hairpieces or plastic surgery :lol: . I suppose it could be considered boring, but I think it's maturity, and nothing wrong with that.
Let's all remember this classic piece of Clapton maturity shall we?
Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight?
EDIT: I'm not even going to post that rant here, read it yourself.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton
But apparently he was drunk and can't remember saying it. So that's ok.
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He must hate it every time he spends time at his Caribbean estate...
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I think Clapton is the ultimate guitarist I don't get. Not his music - I mean, I get the pentatonic predictability just fine. What I don't get is his unapologetic racism and contempt for the race of people whose music he copied.
That I do not get. And I don't want to get.
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Now that is interesting, I hadn't heard about that, Frank.
I nearly posted "but I've heard he's possibly not a very pleasant person" earlier. This came mainly from knowing someone who met him in the late 80s. But then I thought, "well, unknown git accosting star... not sure I'd always be able to be a pleasant person in that situation" - so I didn't post it. They were adamant though, thoroughly put off him by meeting him.
Whether or not they knew about this? I dunno...
Still, it's a bit shocking. I really didn't know about that. I'm kind of amazed he survived it. I know it was "different" in 1976, but even so... kind of puts a completely different slant on the "white man's blues" comments.
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I hadn't heard about that either and, speaking as probably the only person on here that likes him, I feel shocked too. That is pretty unforgivable.
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... and then he had the balls to appear at the Nelson Mandela concert.
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I hadn't heard about any of that stuff either!!!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism#History
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:lol:
Ah well, he seems to have sorted himself out nowadays.
That's one thing I do admire about Clapton, nothing really to do with music, is the way he's "grown up" over the years - he's put the rock star lifestyle behind him, doesn't try to dress like he's 30 years younger, no hairpieces or plastic surgery :lol: . I suppose it could be considered boring, but I think it's maturity, and nothing wrong with that.
Let's all remember this classic piece of Clapton maturity shall we?
Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight?
EDIT: I'm not even going to post that rant here, read it yourself.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton
But apparently he was drunk and can't remember saying it. So that's ok.
OK, I'll take your cheap shot about the "maturity" - it was 35 years ago and precedes what I was talking about. But I've never heard about that before, and I am shocked.
There's no defence for what he said. I'm surprised it hasn't affected his subsequent career more, to be honest. No-one could do something similar now and "survive" it.
Reminds me of something I was told at University - and I have no idea if it's true or not - that ELO used to donate money to the National Front. :?
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ELO?
Next you'll be telling me that Father Christmas runs the KKK.
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:o I honestly have never heard any of that rant before, I'm amazed. :o
His love of both black music and black musicians seems totally sincere. I can understand a hard line stance on immigration. Nothing wrong there, but the language he used is indefensible.
Really shocking & drunk or not, he should have appologised.
Now, if he were talking about Pikeys, well they're scum.... :P
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There were all kinds of rumours about National Front donations in the 1970s. I remember being told that at least three different cigarette manufacturers donated 5p from every pack price to the NF.
I believed those about as much as I believed the Marc Almond stomach pump rumour. Meaning I believed it at the time but now it sounds very much like urban legend.
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Yeah, 10p from the sale of every Greggs pasty goes to The Church of Scientolgy. TRUE!
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Jimmie Vaughan (that guy must be at least half deaf or why does he always dial in such icepick sounds)
The Edge (Brian May did the delay work much earlier and then some)
Peter Buck (or whatever the guy's name in REM is)
Steve Vai (there is still a lot of potential for a guy with these technical abilities and with that musical and theoretical background)
Albert Lee when playing with Hogan's Heroes
Kirk Hammet
Jimmy Page (sloppy playing on some songs but great riffage, just a bit overrated)
Jimi Hendrix (some of)
Billy Gibbons (a bit overrated)
Derek Trucks (technically fantastic player but he always appears to me as if he isn't involved in the music at all)
I am a bit puzzled to see Joe Bonamassa in here. While I agree his tone has softened too much when he switched to the Les Paul there is nothing wrong with his playing.
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Yeah, 10p from the sale of every Greggs pasty goes to The Church of Scientolgy. TRUE!
Hey, if eating steak slices helps battle the forces of Xenu then I'll be battling Thetans with low-quality meat products.
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I think that's pretty much how it was. In addition to drugs, alcohol was a big problem. My (first) wife's best friend used to work in a bar in London and EC used to frequent it and get paralytic and very abusive. She got so fed up she refused to serve him and he turned around to her and slurred "Don't you know who I am?". She said "Yes , you're a pathetic drunken w***er, now p*ss off" :)
Ever mindful of Fernando's 'pictures or it didn't happen' I managed to resurrect a picture from my wedding reception:-
(http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af175/Tellboy/Jeanette.jpg)
Shame on you Eric ...... How could you be abusive to her? .... Answers please on a SAE c/o BKP Falmouth.... :wink:
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EDIT: I'm not even going to post that rant here, read it yourself.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton
But apparently he was drunk and can't remember saying it. So that's ok.
wow
from that link, there was a link to a guardian article about right wing rockers.
In it was this:
"9. Phil Collins
The drummer famously promised to leave the UK if Labour were elected in 1997, and did indeed move to Switzerland. Prior to the 2005 election, Noel Gallagher urged: 'Vote Labour. If you don't and the Tories get in, Phil is threatening to come back.' "
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Agreed, she is a cute one :)
I'd punched him if that would have give me some points with her :lol:
And totally idiot of him with that anti-immigrant rant. I've some bad views for some kind of immigration, specially when they're not even trying to learn to speak the country's language... But saying "england is white" is pure cr@p...
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I believed those about as much as I believed the Marc Almond stomach pump rumour. Meaning I believed it at the time but now it sounds very much like urban legend.
Which, bizarrely, in America is the Rod Stewart stomach pump rumour. I never have understood that. :?
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Stomach Pump Rumour would be a great band name
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Stomach Pump Rumour would be a great band name
:lol: :lol:
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what happened to 'plant your love and let it flow' eric ?
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The reason I've never really got EVH is that by the time I discovered Van Halen (probably around '87-'88) they were already well into the full blown Sammy Hagar MOR dreary bullshitee phase. I guess that tainted my opinion of him, as there were plenty of other guitarists around at that time playing far more interesting stuff (both song and technique-wise).
Maybe if I'd discovered him 10 years earlier...
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EDIT: I'm not even going to post that rant here, read it yourself.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton
But apparently he was drunk and can't remember saying it. So that's ok.
wow
from that link, there was a link to a guardian article about right wing rockers.
In it was this:
"9. Phil Collins
The drummer famously promised to leave the UK if Labour were elected in 1997, and did indeed move to Switzerland. Prior to the 2005 election, Noel Gallagher urged: 'Vote Labour. If you don't and the Tories get in, Phil is threatening to come back.' "
:lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol::lol:
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Just saw this bloke on stratoblogster and immediately thought of this thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JRZS6XGd8KI
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EDIT: I'm not even going to post that rant here, read it yourself.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton
But apparently he was drunk and can't remember saying it. So that's ok.
wow
from that link, there was a link to a guardian article about right wing rockers.
In it was this:
"9. Phil Collins
The drummer famously promised to leave the UK if Labour were elected in 1997, and did indeed move to Switzerland. Prior to the 2005 election, Noel Gallagher urged: 'Vote Labour. If you don't and the Tories get in, Phil is threatening to come back.' "
:lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol::lol:
I lulled anyway :lol:
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Much as I have no love for oasis (anymore at least), noel can be a funny $%&#er.
Clapton can be a ####!! as well - I forgot about that racism lark. Double $%&# him then, especially as my dads from india (I'm practically vampirically white to look at, but genetically am not; I'm like a stealth imigrant/minority, fun to unleash on people that get a little bit secure in what they think to be all-white company that start mouthing off about britain being british/white/whatever).
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^ +1 (assuming by eddie you mean evh). That's a bit like saying you like football but don't like pele or george best.
Well, except that musical taste is subjective and success at a sporting activity is objective.
I find that the faster a guitarist plays, the less I like him/her. That's kind of objective isn't it?
New favourite band for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnG6EHh1N4
I've been whistling that tune ever since you posted this, can't get it out of my head :roll:
Must say, I draw the line at Sunn - THAT I don't get, certainly not in the recorded form. At a live show, it would likely make more sense as the dramatic aspect of the band would come into play.
Give me Britney videos any day :lol:
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Seems the thread has derailed a bit so here we're back on track.
I don't get the following.
Pat Metheny
The Edge
Shredders in general
Kirk Hammet
Probably more, but I can't really think of any at the moment.
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^ +1 (assuming by eddie you mean evh). That's a bit like saying you like football but don't like pele or george best.
Well, except that musical taste is subjective and success at a sporting activity is objective.
I find that the faster a guitarist plays, the less I like him/her. That's kind of objective isn't it?
New favourite band for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnG6EHh1N4
I've been whistling that tune ever since you posted this, can't get it out of my head :roll:
Must say, I draw the line at Sunn - THAT I don't get, certainly not in the recorded form. At a live show, it would likely make more sense as the dramatic aspect of the band would come into play.
Give me Britney videos any day :lol:
I gather that the shear volume and low end at sunn o))) shows is part of the major appeal. More like your skeleton listens to it than your ears. I'm told at least, never been; one note every 10 seconds is still dull to me no matter the volume.
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Anyone who has ever played a guitar solo.
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Anyone who has ever played a guitar solo.
you mean guitar solos in general, or those long, unaccompanied wankfests you used to always get at concerts?
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(a) Much as I have no love for oasis (anymore at least), noel can be a funny $%&#er.
(b) Clapton can be a ####!! as well - I forgot about that racism lark. Double $%&# him then, especially as my dads from india (I'm practically vampirically white to look at, but genetically am not; I'm like a stealth imigrant/minority, fun to unleash on people that get a little bit secure in what they think to be all-white company that start mouthing off about britain being british/white/whatever).
(a) +1
(b) Yeah I'd never heard that before about EC, it's messed up :(
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Jack White- I don't even know where to begin. This guy thinks he's some prodigy. I once read a comment somewhere that said he refuses to buy new gear because it has "no soul" (it might have been here), come on, get over yourself. He drives me insane.
Steve Vai- I don't know, i just couldn't get into his playing.
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Just saw this bloke on stratoblogster and immediately thought of this thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JRZS6XGd8KI
Jazz, it's a whole musical genre I don't get. As far as I can tell it's a few blokes in a room, all wanking away at the same time, oblivious of what the others are doing. I really don't get Jazz.
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@ MDV: I totally forgot about John Frusciante (sp?), or maybe I just supress those thoughts... SO many people talk about his playing style and whatnot, but I can't see past his "solos." He basically just rides a note or two, maybe three. Can't do it.
The one that came to mind first was Vai. I can't get into his music, too "out there" with a combination of joking around and stuff.
Pat Metheny. His phrasing just sounds wonky to me.
@ElectricTurkey: I've youtubed lots of live White Stripes sets just to see what's up with that, and he can actually come up with some cool sounding stuff. I wouldn't say "prodigy" at all, but cool nonetheless.
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Jeff Beck. Always leaves me cold. Technically great but pretty darn boring.
Philly - I've still not listened to his earlier solo stuff yet so reserve the right to change my opinion!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JRZS6XGd8KI
sh*it like that always reminds me of this guy...
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/fastshow/characters/images/louis_balfour2.jpg)
unlistenable turd.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JRZS6XGd8KI
sh*it like that always reminds me of this guy...
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/fastshow/characters/images/louis_balfour2.jpg)
unlistenable turd.
It's the bit 30 seconds in where he stops and then there's like a farty quacking noise before he starts up again that really gets me
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JRZS6XGd8KI
sh*it like that always reminds me of this guy...
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/fastshow/characters/images/louis_balfour2.jpg)
unlistenable turd.
It's the bit 30 seconds in where he stops and then there's like a farty quacking noise before he starts up again that really gets me
I preferred this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KaOrSuWZeM
Especially the bit at 10 hours, 1 minute and 45 seconds in - devastating :D
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I preferred this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KaOrSuWZeM
Especially the bit at 10 hours, 1 minute and 45 seconds in - devastating :D
Definitely had more of a tune to it.
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This just had me laughing... the dude later bought some BKPs so I'm sure his "tone" has improved. :lol: :lol:
http://youtu.be/-XY1nkd9CqI
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This just had me laughing... the dude later bought some BKPs so I'm sure his "tone" has improved. :lol: :lol:
http://youtu.be/-XY1nkd9CqI
That's almost the exact tone I had in 1979 playing my Hondo Les Paul copy through the mic input of my parents' Sanyo hifi.
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The Tone King.
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Just saw this bloke on stratoblogster and immediately thought of this thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JRZS6XGd8KI
Hmmm... I quite like that...
But I like Holdsworth too, and there doesn't seem to me much love for him around there here parts!!!
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This just had me laughing... the dude later bought some BKPs so I'm sure his "tone" has improved. :lol: :lol:
http://youtu.be/-XY1nkd9CqI
He's got rad shades though.
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Carlos Santana - respect and like him and his music, but for God's sake learn to bend up to the correct pitch, man.
Joe Satriani - did I miss a meeting?
Have we done a thread on underrated guitarists? I'd very much like to offer my love to the late John McGeoch.
Now then, what's 6 inches long and not getting sucked tonight?
- Jimmy Saville's cigar.
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The Tone King.
lmao, I get that one (and agree) - an oxymoron if ever I've heard one.
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The Tone King.
ahahahahahahaha
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The Tone King.
You're not one of his "boys and girls" then? :lol:
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The Tone King.
You're not one of his "boys and girls" then? :lol:
This isn't code for Jimmy Savile (RIP), is it?
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\m/ im one of his bad boys \m/
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Just saw this bloke on stratoblogster and immediately thought of this thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JRZS6XGd8KI
Hmmm... I quite like that...
But I like Holdsworth too, and there doesn't seem to me much love for him around there here parts!!!
There is some at least, I really liked his early stuff, when he was using an SG through a Mesa and his acoustic stuff is astonishing, just not a fan of the synth-y tone.
I'd say that fusion is really an aquired taste type of thing, the more someone hears dissonance the less cacophonous it seems.
It's still a mystery to me why it's used in porn so much...in my experience it tends to ruin the mood....
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But I like Holdsworth too, and there doesn't seem to me much love for him around there here parts!!!
There is some at least, I really liked his early stuff, when he was using an SG through a Mesa and his acoustic stuff is astonishing, just not a fan of the synth-y tone.
I've got two CDs by the prog band Tempest, the first has Holdsworth on guitar and the other has the late Ollie Halsall. I think at one point they were both in the band at the same time. Anyway, it's a bit more accessible than his later stuff!
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Dave Mustaine.
I hate his personality
I hate Megadeth
I hate his voice
I cant understand how he could be #1 guitarist in some authors mind :S WTF!
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I said I didn't want to go on about shredders, but I saw an ad in Guitar World today featuring this guy, and I really don't get him...
Rusty Cooley.
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I said I didn't want to go on about shredders, but I saw an ad in Guitar World today featuring this guy, and I really don't get him...
Rusty Cooley.
Very, very fast, very, very tight. Extremely nerdy. Very unmusical. He's a sportsman, not a musician.
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I would say Joe Satriani and Steve Vai. Satriani's music just doesn't resonate with me emotionally, and Steve Vai's music is so melodramatic when he's not just showing off.
Also, what is with the fan? Is he unable to play guitar without his hair being whipped behind him at 100 miles per hour? :?
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I would say Joe Satriani and Steve Vai. Satriani's music just doesn't resonate with me emotionally, and Steve Vai's music is so melodramatic when he's not just showing off.
Also, what is with the fan? Is he unable to play guitar without his hair being whipped behind him at 100 miles per hour? :?
Did you not hear? The fan is history (for now), he cut his hair!
Personally I like that over the top fan + glowing guitar + extreme poses while wearing a coat thing...is it too much? Is chocolat + vanilla icecream with cooky dough, chocolat chips and brownie pieces too much? Yeah, but it is still freaking amazing.
Though it took me a while to get Vai....but as of now I own the man a lot.
He did this one video thing where he gives you advice on how to be succesful, which I find to be the most inspiring live lesson I ever heard (with Conan O`Briens final Tonight Show) and he plays "Whispering a Prayer" in between.
I can only recommend you watch it all, weather you like the man or not, he has whise words to say.
http://youtu.be/Fle4QNtSiRs (http://youtu.be/Fle4QNtSiRs)
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He did this one video thing where he gives you advice on how to be succesful, which I find to be the most inspiring live lesson I ever heard (with Conan O`Briens final Tonight Show) and he plays "Whispering a Prayer" in between.
I can only recommend you watch it all, weather you like the man or not, he has whise words to say.
http://youtu.be/Fle4QNtSiRs (http://youtu.be/Fle4QNtSiRs)
I watched that a while back and it blew me away. I feel out of love with Vai many years ago but that video sparked such admiration, I was awestruck.
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Is chocolat + vanilla icecream with cooky dough, chocolat chips and brownie pieces too much?
It is if you're $%&#ing diabetic. :evil:
(Sorry dude, your point was a reasonable one. :wink: )
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I said I didn't want to go on about shredders, but I saw an ad in Guitar World today featuring this guy, and I really don't get him...
Rusty Cooley.
That's the guitarist i would choose for not getting. Its just scales played fast. Its boring after a few minutes.
I don't get that people here don't get Jeff Beck!
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Yeah I'm a little surprised at the level of anti-JB feeling. I think he's extraordinarily creative.
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I would say Joe Satriani and Steve Vai. Satriani's music just doesn't resonate with me emotionally, and Steve Vai's music is so melodramatic when he's not just showing off.
Also, what is with the fan? Is he unable to play guitar without his hair being whipped behind him at 100 miles per hour? :?
Did you not hear? The fan is history (for now), he cut his hair!
Personally I like that over the top fan + glowing guitar + extreme poses while wearing a coat thing...is it too much? Is chocolat + vanilla icecream with cooky dough, chocolat chips and brownie pieces too much? Yeah, but it is still freaking amazing.
Though it took me a while to get Vai....but as of now I own the man a lot.
He did this one video thing where he gives you advice on how to be succesful, which I find to be the most inspiring live lesson I ever heard (with Conan O`Briens final Tonight Show) and he plays "Whispering a Prayer" in between.
I can only recommend you watch it all, weather you like the man or not, he has whise words to say.
http://youtu.be/Fle4QNtSiRs (http://youtu.be/Fle4QNtSiRs)
Excellent video. Kiichis right, like the man or not, hell, play guitar or not; this is great advice for anyone with musical aspirations. It crystalised a lot of thoughts that I've had about attitude to musical work and development that I could never have solidified and articulated so well on my own, to do with attitude and passion being the most important things. Inspirational indeed.
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^ ^ + ^ ^ ^ I know I said jeff beck might qualify for me, but he was on some programme on bbc2 last night where people were playing beatles covers, and I thought he was great.
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^ ^ + ^ ^ ^ I know I said jeff beck might qualify for me, but he was on some programme on bbc2 last night where people were playing beatles covers, and I thought he was great.
I saw that one too (black Gibson Les Paul) and his playing was marvelous.
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yep, that's the one :)
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How did I forget this guy? Roland product demonstrator Alex Hutchings. Everything he plays sounds like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vf0__9TSDi0
It's all just ... ugh ... horrible BOSS characterless toneless processed sounds, some of the worst facial contortions seen on a product demo, utterly tasteless and unnecessary use of effects ... I hate every sound he makes.
EDIT: And the videos where he's using that silly VG-99 digital guitar nonsense are even worse, fast forward a few minutes to hear unlistenable silly noises.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss9SDaaXQxE
EDIT 2: Worth mentioning I don't like his beard either.
EDIT 3: Or his shirt.
EDIT 4: Jeff Beck is a genius.
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I was having a think about how this thread panned out. I think some of the comments about not getting guitarists who made a name for themselves years ago are a bit strange. Take BB King. He was one of the first pioneers of electric guitars. Ok I understand by todays standards his technique isn't in the same league as someone like Guthrie Govan, but its of its time. He does have a lovely vibrato. There wasn't a huge amount of electric guitar players around in the 50's and early 60's compared to today. Its easy to look back in 2011 and say you don't get players from 40+ years ago but they inspired others who inspired others ect. Without Page, Clapton, Beck ect who I do get, we wouldn't have the great guitar music that their music gave birth to. They had their fingers on the pulse of what was happening when interest in electric guitars began to gather momentum. How many Gary Moore fans are there in here? Well he took up guitar because of the Beano album. How many of us in here can play like Clapton did back then? Hendrix. He took black music back to America after hearing what the Brits were doing with it and can you really say you don't get him as player? Really? There is a lot of of his music/playing not to get.
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Dimebag... seriously not a fan.
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How did I forget this guy? Roland product demonstrator Alex Hutchings. Everything he plays sounds like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vf0__9TSDi0
It's all just ... ugh ... horrible BOSS characterless toneless processed sounds, some of the worst facial contortions seen on a product demo, utterly tasteless and unnecessary use of effects ... I hate every sound he makes.
EDIT: And the videos where he's using that silly VG-99 digital guitar nonsense are even worse, fast forward a few minutes to hear unlistenable silly noises.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss9SDaaXQxE
EDIT 2: Worth mentioning I don't like his beard either.
EDIT 3: Or his shirt.
EDIT 4: Jeff Beck is a genius.
that dudes voice in the second clip was enough to make me throw up. He looks like a klingon thats just come from a c--ktail night at a village club.
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that dudes voice in the second clip was enough to make me throw up. He looks like a klingon thats just come from a c--ktail night at a village club.
I was thinking that too - wasn't bothered about his playing or tone, but has has an incredibly annoying voice!
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This is more of a I Hate thread than anything else. With such broad music tastes in most of us it's easier to define your music taste by what you don't like rather than what you do. It's just easier to be disagreed with over somebody you don't like rather than feel dissed because somebody hates who you love!
"I don't get..." Threads like these.
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This is more of a I Hate thread than anything else. With such broad music tastes in most of us it's easier to define your music taste by what you don't like rather than what you do. It's just easier to be disagreed with over somebody you don't like rather than feel dissed because somebody hates who you love!
"I don't get..." Threads like these.
It's not meant to be "I Hate..." thread.
From my point of view it was about people whose talent/skill you can appreciate an an intellectual level, but who just don't "move" you emotionally. Nothing at all to do with hating people or thinking they're rubbish.
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Indeed Philly. I don't see it as a hate thread. I can see why people like Malmsteen, he just does nothing for me. Nothing at all. I don't hate him. Actually, I can't think of any guitarists that I "hate".
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Sorry, hate was a strong word, but its still a fluffy way of saying what guitarists do you not like. Because at the end of the day there may be guitarists that are not on a very high 'intellectabletechnable' level (e.g. Kurt Cobain/PJ Harvey) but are worth 100 Malmsteens. Its the all round musical output that moves/excites. Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman are not really lauded for technical ability (by myself or others) but have made 3 of the greatest metal albums ever.
Its not about 'getting' anything. You either like somebody's music or you don't.
Vai, Satriani, Beck, Petrucci, Malmsteen, Boreamassa. All accomplished players that (and I can't see any other way of looking at it on any intellectual level) perform $%&#ing awful music...lol (imho)
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i love how you put "imho" and then proceeded to make very, very objective observations.
you might not like their music, but vai, satriani, malmsteen and the like moved guitar playing on light years (in rock/metal, anyway... you could probably say that jazzers and the like had been playing complicated stuff like that for years :lol: ).
plus i mean it's not true that i only like those guys because they can play quickly. I like their music too, give me satch or vai over cobain or pj harvey any day.
"Its not about 'getting' anything. You either like somebody's music or you don't."
I agree wholeheartedly with that, though.
Apart from maybe the odd artist or band which you don't like for ages, then something clicks and you do like it, i guess.
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Vai, Satriani, Beck, Petrucci, Malmsteen, Boreamassa. All accomplished players that (and I can't see any other way of looking at it on any intellectual level) perform $%&#ing awful music...lol (imho)
Good thing it's not about hate... :lol:
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:lol:
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Good thing it's not about hate... :lol:
I save hate for hip-hop/Modern R&B. :D
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you might not like their music, but vai, satriani, malmsteen and the like moved guitar playing on light years
I don't see that they did anything that Van Halen, Blackmore and Rhoads had not done before with more soul and panache. I would view it as they took it down a self-satisfying blind alley. Thrash and where it led to was where the real innovation in metal/rock was in the 80's because it set the template for 2 decades of metal after it.
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you might not like their music, but vai, satriani, malmsteen and the like moved guitar playing on light years
Who is this 'The Like' character you speak of? Is he the more talented sibling of 'The Edge'? :)
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you might not like their music, but vai, satriani, malmsteen and the like moved guitar playing on light years
I don't see that they did anything that Van Halen, Blackmore and Rhoads had not done before with more soul and panache. I would view it as they took it down a self-satisfying blind alley. Thrash and where it led to was where the real innovation in metal/rock was in the 80's because it set the template for 2 decades of metal after it.
Vai for one had a large say in making the seven string guitar big. And if you want to tell me that "For the love of god" does not have a shiteload of heart I think I just found a guitarist that you don´t get ;)
Or watch the Vai video that I posted earlier. Then tell me again that he does not have enough heart to compete with the ones you named^^
Also I am not aware that Van Halen, Blackmore and Rhoads did neoclassical shred like Malmsteen did, though I don´t know much about him, haven´t gotten around to it.
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^ yeah, pretty much. I mean they all did a little bit of the classical stuff, but malmsteen based his whole style on it, and was doing stuff like paganini etc. when blackmore and co (as far as i'm aware) weren't.
and good point about the 7 string
I don't see that they did anything that Van Halen, Blackmore and Rhoads had not done before with more soul and panache. I would view it as they took it down a self-satisfying blind alley. Thrash and where it led to was where the real innovation in metal/rock was in the 80's because it set the template for 2 decades of metal after it.
i love those guys too (heck i have vh in my avatar and have had for years) but saying that malmsteen and co didn't shift it up a gear is a bit like saying schumacher hasn't done anything in a car that i haven't done. :lol:
if they took it down a self-satisfying blind alley there must be an awful lot of classical music you don't like. :lol:
Who is this 'The Like' character you speak of? Is he the more talented sibling of 'The Edge'? :)
hehe
yes, but more delay
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The guitar would not be what it is without 7 string versions? lmao. Like his 3 neck heart shaped spinal tapness monster? Its just flash harry show off stuff. Isn't for the love of god the track he starved himself for days before he recorded it (supposedly)? Yeah, I just got a copy. if you listen close you can really hear his belly rumble. The fact he recorded a half decent solo over the most awful piece of muzak ever recorded kind of puts his sense of taste into question too! "Walking the fine line... between Pagan... and Christian" Deep stuff man! lol
Malmsteen is just a blackmore wannabe fronting a terrible hair band. I was briefly impressed with the guy when i was about 13 because a mate loved him to death. Odyssey is an awful album though. You just want to shout at him to stop playing something flashy every time the singer pauses for breath. Saw him live on the eclipse tour. never again.
Im sure most on here if really honest will admit... Its not a case of not 'getting' somebody's music. I'm sure we have the capacity to state what it is we don't like about it!
My classical music favourites are Bartok, Cage, Penderecki, Satie and Arvo Part. Much more satisfying to the soul than Paganini.
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Did you ever listen to "Whispering a prayer" by Vai then? I can only recommend it. To me it is one of the most beautiful, unique and inspired pieces for guitar ever. Wonder if you can find something about it.
Also the 7 string does allow for very different solo runs and riffing due to the extended range, you can build more melodically, it does not have to be flashy. There are much more possibilitys in playing it. Next you´re gonna tell me that Trems are just flashy (again, Whispering a prayer). Popularity of the seven string also played quite a large part in the birth of Nu Metal I dare say (whatever you may think of that style), as especially Korns music was made possible by it. Extra chunk for riffing without sacrificing range, that is a big thing.
Don´t you know the feeling that you listen to a guitar player and there is no big thing you dislike, you know and see that it is technically and musically sound, but you still don´t think it is great?
On paper it´s all good but in reality there is just not "it"?
This thread is a mixture of that and not liking some aspect of some player, while still very much respecting him (though I feel much more of the first).
Btw, I would like to hear what you think about Dimebag, Paul Gilbert and Matt Belamy, if I may ask.
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Im sure most on here if really honest will admit... Its not a case of not 'getting' somebody's music. I'm sure we have the capacity to state what it is we don't like about it!
No. I'm not being dishonest. It is a case of not "getting" someone's music.
I could sit here for hours and list music I don't like. N-Dubz. Rihanna. The Black Eyed Peas. Michael $%&#ing Buble.
But that's not the point of the discussion. It's not as simple as just not liking it.
To use an example I've already mentioned - The Mahavishnu Orchestra. John McLaughlin is an amazing musician, I want to appreciate the music, but no matter how many times I listen to it, it doesn't move me. I just don't get it.
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I like the Miles Davis records that have John McLaughlin on them. Bitches Brew is a great album. I couldn't say its the guitar that makes the albums he's on though. Never really delved into the Manuvishu records though. I was never a fan of Nu-metal. Metals worst creation. Pantera always left me cold. Mark Morton from Lamb of God is much more inspiring to me than Dime ever was but that may be because I didn't really listen to a lot of metal during the mid/late 90's.
Ive never tried a Paul Gilbert record because I honestly/guiltily I suppose i've always stayed clear of stuff I suspect would be satriani/vai-esque solo instrumentalists (recommendation on a good cd?).
I think Matt Bellamy is great. His live playing is great. He's a great technical player who always serves the song but his playing is raw enough that you don't assume he's a robot.
Agreed on Michael Buble lol. I ordered a limited edition Flaming Lips box set from the states not so long back and they sent me a Michael Buble box set by mistake. Talk about gutted. I got a customs charge on it too! grr
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Agreed on Michael Buble lol. I ordered a limited edition Flaming Lips box set from the states not so long back and they sent me a Michael Buble box set by mistake. Talk about gutted. I got a customs charge on it too! grr
Wow. Just... Wow... Talk about getting a shite sandwich when you've ordered steak with lobster :S
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That said:
Dimebag.
Him, as well as Pantera have always bored me, except for the song "Floods".
This sort of knuckle-draggin', whisky-swillin', good ol' boy (but still oh-so macho toughguy) pentatonic jock metal just doesn't resonate with me. For a while I figured I felt this way because I was so tired of wearing "Walk" and "Cowboys From Hell" in bars all the $%&#ing time, but on closer inspection I had to accept that the music just doesn't move me in any way, plus Dime wasn't really that impressive in terms of solos.
However, I can see why they've gotten as big as they have. It's easily accessible metal for blokes who aren't die-hard into metal, and that's a laaarge customer base to tap into. I'm fully aware that the people who like this sort of stuff will think my favorite bands' music is all a load of arty-farty, pretentious wank with no point or melody to it. So yeah...
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^ if anything, a lot of pantera is verging on "too heavy" for me, so bear with me :lol:
But I like pantera, and i think dime is (was :( ) an awesome player. this is also teh second time I've seen someone complain about someone only playing pentatonic stuff (the other time it wasn't dime, can't remember who, zakk maybe?), and it really begs teh question... have you ever actually tried to play any dime stuff? there's a lot more stuff than pentatonic in there (with zakk, too).
Plus I would argue that playing simple scales isn't necessarily a bad thing if you're a kickass player who makes it sound good. Is a dish with 20 different ingredients which tastes like cr@p better than one with 3 which tastes good? Sometimes it takes a good chef to make something simple taste awesome (and to have the confidence to attempt it), same thing with music. and just because you choose to play a simple scale doesn't mean it's the only one you know.
ugh the quote system's not working, so bear with me
"My classical music favourites are Bartok, Cage, Penderecki, Satie and Arvo Part. Much more satisfying to the soul than Paganini."
I'm not a gigantic fan of paganini either, but he was an awesome player. I tend to like stuff like beethoven, mozart and vivaldi- baroque, classical and romantic. Not to say i don't like more modern classical, too, but my favourites are those genres of classical.
"No. I'm not being dishonest. It is a case of not "getting" someone's music.
I could sit here for hours and list music I don't like. N-Dubz. Rihanna. The Black Eyed Peas. Michael $%&#ing Buble.
But that's not the point of the discussion. It's not as simple as just not liking it.
To use an example I've already mentioned - The Mahavishnu Orchestra. John McLaughlin is an amazing musician, I want to appreciate the music, but no matter how many times I listen to it, it doesn't move me. I just don't get it."
agreed. Yeah, ok, maybe at its simplest there's only "music i like" and "music i don't like", but dig even a little deeper and there's music which you think you should like because it's worthy but you don't, and music which just plain has no artistic merit at all.
Now, maybe you feel that way about vai and co, and that's alright, but when there are people like britney spears and cheryl cole making records, I'm not sure even his most ardent detractor could really honestly put steve vai in that same category.
fwiw, some rihanna stuff is actually alright (IMO) :oops:
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Oi. Don't be knocking Cheryl matey. That really is fighting talk. ;)
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I can easily imagine both him and Zakk are not always pentatonic. Regular minor scales are just as common for those lads.
It's just that the note choices don't really seem interesting to me. An example of interesting note choices within metal would be my absolute favorite: Leon Macey of Mithras.
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I f&&&ing hate the c*%^ing beatles.
Bunch of talentless sh!ts who wrote irritating, trite tripe and who should all have been shot at birth, or at least languished in obscurity only to rot in a pit of alcoholism and despair.
As much as I try, none of my words can really convey the absolute hatred I have for those c&&&s.
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:lol: you really do need some help Roo! :lol:
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Just for roo
(http://p1.la-img.com/207/219/101977_2_l.jpg)
Oi. Don't be knocking Cheryl matey. That really is fighting talk. ;)
:lol:
I can easily imagine both him and Zakk are not always pentatonic. Regular minor scales are just as common for those lads.
It's just that the note choices don't really seem interesting to me. An example of interesting note choices within metal would be my absolute favorite: Leon Macey of Mithras.
fair enough
No idea who that is, by the way :lol:
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:lol: you really do need some help Roo! :lol:
+1
Just for roo
(http://www.goldmine1969.com/music/wp-content/uploads/esquire-2.jpg)
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Two Telecasters, two Beatles, and two moustaches!
My Saturday has started in a most marvellous fashion!
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Two Telecasters, two Beatles, and two moustaches!
My Saturday has started in a most marvellous fashion!
+1 without the moustaches 8)
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Two Telecasters, two Beatles, and two moustaches!
My Saturday has started in a most marvellous fashion!
:lol:
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Petrucci. I guess I just don't get Dream Theater in general.
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I used to like Jeff Beck back in the Wired and Blow by Blow days but I bought a couple of his recent-ish releases and they bored me to tears. Impossible to tell the guitar from the keyboard on a lot of it. I've seen some recent live stuff of his and it seems that he likes to spend a lot of time making a particularly irritating noise with his whammy bar. Jeff - it's not a GOOD noise, it's horrible.
Alan Holdsworth. I own one album 'The 16 Men of Tain' and his playing does seem to have a strange melancholy to it that I like but all his compositions seem to follow the same formula - play some chords that no-one has ever heard before with a bit of chorus and that involve having your index finger on the first fret and your pinky on the 16th fret, keep this up for a minute or so and then go widdle, widdle, widdle until the fadeout.
Van Halen - never listened to him much because I can't stand the songs, absolutely terrible.
Clapton. I sometimes come across some of his older stuff that is very good but it seems that today he is trying his best to get the worst tones imaginable from a Strat.