Guitarists you just don't get!

[AndyR]

Ah, OK - I don't think that I GOT what was meant by GET.

I now fully GET was was meant by GET.

Share!! :lol:

[dave_mc]

i thought i got what was meant by "get" but now i'm not so sure :oops: :lol:

[Philly Q]

It's all Philly's fault, of course - badly titled thread sir! :lol:
(Or maybe not, I dunno... :roll:)

Bollocks, it makes perfect sense.  To me.  :P

I was about to post: Poor old Jeff Beck, gettin a bit of a slammin here... I definitely get him, just don't particularly like much of what I've heard of him...

But that means you don't get him (IMO)!!  You understand what he does technically, you can appreciate his skill, but his music doesn't actually do anything for you.

 :|

 :?

Look at it another way:  Intellect vs. Emotion.  Brain vs. Heart.

We can all understand, on an intellectual level, that - say - Allan Holdsworth is a good guitar player.  Or let's simplify it - Steve Vai.  Nobody's going to say he isn't any good. 

But emotionally, some of us are moved by his playing and music and some of us aren't.  Those in the latter category don't "get" it. 

QED.

[MDV]

It's all Philly's fault, of course - badly titled thread sir! :lol:
(Or maybe not, I dunno... :roll:)

Bollocks, it makes perfect sense.  To me.  :P

I was about to post: Poor old Jeff Beck, gettin a bit of a slammin here... I definitely get him, just don't particularly like much of what I've heard of him...

But that means you don't get him (IMO)!!  You understand what he does technically, you can appreciate his skill, but his music doesn't actually do anything for you.

 :|

 :?

Look at it another way:  Intellect vs. Emotion.  Brain vs. Heart.

We can all understand, on an intellectual level, that - say - Allan Holdsworth is a good guitar player.  Or let's simplify it - Steve Vai.  Nobody's going to say he isn't any good. 

But emotionally, some of us are moved by his playing and music and some of us aren't.  Those in the latter category don't "get" it. 

QED.

I dont get the colourful false dichotomies

:oops:

[choucas09]

Fair enough a lot of people don't get Jeff Beck, but what d'you think of this remix cut and paste job David Torn for the Jeff album................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F57ovfZbj1E

[Philly Q]

I dont get the colourful false dichotomies

:oops:

I don't understand true dichotomies, let alone false ones.

 :oops: :oops:

[Frank]

I dont get the colourful false dichotomies

My grandad did. You can get cream for them.

[AndyR]

Ah, but Philly, this emotional involvement, this being moved by a piece of art, it changes over time, and in either direction. At least it does for me anyway. It's dependent on loads of baggage that I bring to the table myself, some of it not in my control. Mainly my current mood, my aspirations, etc, etc.

So are we saying that one can "get" a guitarist, and then when one gets bored or no longer satisfied with him, one no longer "gets" him. And then, when one rediscovers one's first love months or years later, one "gets" him all over again?

:lol:

Just playing with the words, really (and there are huge holes that I could pick in what I've just written).

But...

Some of my most favourite music over my life just does not move me at all at the moment. I could even go as far as saying I don't really like it anymore. If it comes on, after an initial testing of "do I really want to spend time trying to enjoy this?", I am highly likely to turn it off or to ask for it to be turned off. But I also know that there's a distinct possibility that I will like it again, very much, when I'm in a different place emotionally.

Now, do I "get" this music or not? (Perhaps stunningly for some folks, Rory Gallagher's music and guitar playing falls into this category for me. But I don't see how I could possibly say I don't "get" Rory Gallagher :lol:)


And, notice how I neatly side-stepped them colourfully dichotomies there... I didn't get them neither! :D

[Sancho]

Jeff Beck is a weird one. I think I get him, and I really dig his guitar playing as such. But I don't care for the music he wraps around it at all...

[Twinfan]

I dont get the colourful false dichotomies

My grandad did. You can get cream for them.

:lol:

[Philly Q]

Ah, but Philly, this emotional involvement, this being moved by a piece of art, it changes over time, and in either direction. At least it does for me anyway. It's dependent on loads of baggage that I bring to the table myself, some of it not in my control. Mainly my current mood, my aspirations, etc, etc.

So are we saying that one can "get" a guitarist, and then when one gets bored or no longer satisfied with him, one no longer "gets" him. And then, when one rediscovers one's first love months or years later, one "gets" him all over again?

Well.................

No.  I give up.

[Tellboy]

Jeff Beck is a weird one. I think I get him, and I really dig his guitar playing as such. But I don't care for the music he wraps around it at all...

Although have always been a big fan I think that is spot on - to me he's at his best with a good rock song and a great singer. Similar with Guthrie Govan - unbelievably talented, can faultlessly play any style but his fusion stuff is just not for me (although I do get it).

As for Clapton bashing I often wonder if this is the same guy from the Beano days when you saw "Clapton is god" sprayed all over hoardings in London and the front of stage used to be crammed at John Mayall gigs with people shouting "Give god solo, give god solo." Although looking back at that music/style today it was fairly basic it was revolutionary at that time and Clapton definitely had a fire and aggression which unfortunately he seemed to lose after his Cream days.

[Philly Q]

As for Clapton bashing I often wonder if this is the same guy from the Beano days when you saw "Clapton is god" sprayed all over hoardings in London and the front of stage used to be crammed at John Mayall gigs with people shouting "Give god solo, give god solo." Although looking back at that music/style today it was fairly basic it was revolutionary at that time and Clapton definitely had a fire and aggression which unfortunately he seemed to lose after his Cream days.

I may be mis-remembering, but there was the whole Delaney & Bonnie/Derek and the Dominos period where he seemed to be actively trying to get away from the whole guitar hero, "EC is God" thing.  I don't know if that was deliberately extended into the more low-key sound of his early solo albums.  And there were drugs involved, too, weren't there?

Personally, I do like (and "get") the Yardbirds, Bluesbreakers and Cream stuff but I've never enjoyed his '70s material, or his guitar sounds from that period.  Not a fan of his more recent stuff either, but I do like the tone he gets from his mid-boosted signature Strats (even though we're not supposed to like Strats with non-vintage pickups, are we?  :P )

[Tellboy]

I may be mis-remembering, but there was the whole Delaney & Bonnie/Derek and the Dominos period where he seemed to be actively trying to get away from the whole guitar hero, "EC is God" thing.  I don't know if that was deliberately extended into the more low-key sound of his early solo albums.  And there were drugs involved, too, weren't there?
 

I think that's pretty much how it was. In addition to drugs, alcohol was a big problem. My (first) wife's best friend used to work in a bar in London and EC used to frequent it and get paralytic and very abusive. She got so fed up she refused to serve him and he turned around to her and slurred "Don't you know who I am?". She said "Yes , you're a pathetic drunken w***er, now p*ss off"  :)

[Philly Q]

 :lol:

Ah well, he seems to have sorted himself out nowadays.

That's one thing I do admire about Clapton, nothing really to do with music, is the way he's "grown up" over the years - he's put the rock star lifestyle behind him, doesn't try to dress like he's 30 years younger, no hairpieces or plastic surgery  :lol: . I suppose it could be considered boring, but I think it's maturity, and nothing wrong with that.