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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: juansolo on October 28, 2011, 08:50:36 AM

Title: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: juansolo on October 28, 2011, 08:50:36 AM
We've done some experimentation with another 'klone' board. Populating it how we did the original klones. Interestingly this board is true-bypass (I hate that expression and the importance put on it when it's just a cr@ppy MIC footswitch) so the buffer is only on when engaged. Also it doesn't have the charge pump. In theory this should lessen the headroom of the buffer...

Well we back-to-backed it yesterday and if it doesn't sound identical. We've got a little bit of fettling to do as it's squealing like a git when the gain is maxed (might be purely that it's mounted to a piece of cardboard with wires going everywhere).

Eiiiiiiiinteresting!
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: sgmypod on October 28, 2011, 09:04:55 AM
Damn, knew I shouldn't open this post
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Post by: Twinfan on October 28, 2011, 09:55:19 AM
Interesting!  What's the difference in tone then?
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: HTH AMPS on October 28, 2011, 10:09:53 AM
if you make some PCBs (or have them made up), I'd have some off you.
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Post by: Brow on October 28, 2011, 11:27:51 AM
I really wish you'd stop posting about pedals I want John  :twisted:
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: juansolo on October 28, 2011, 11:53:44 AM
Interesting!  What's the difference in tone then?

Very, very similar. Reckon you'd struggle to tell which was which blind listening.
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: juansolo on October 28, 2011, 11:55:35 AM
if you make some PCBs (or have them made up), I'd have some off you.

It's MKC1 board from GuitarPCB.com. I'll ask Cleggy to send you the list of substituted parts for it.
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: dave_mc on October 28, 2011, 04:45:49 PM
Make this thread on TGP.

Go on.

:lol:
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: juansolo on October 28, 2011, 05:34:56 PM
Make this thread on TGP.

Go on.

:lol:


lol, NFW!
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: dave_mc on October 28, 2011, 08:32:10 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: juansolo on October 29, 2011, 06:35:14 PM
I think this whole shelf would piss them off to be fair (certainly quite a bit of it). All work in progress...

(http://www.juansolo.demon.co.uk/misc/wip.jpg)

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Post by: JacksonRR on October 29, 2011, 06:43:03 PM
What's that thingy with the tube on it? Is it running at proper voltages or starved?
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: juansolo on October 29, 2011, 07:06:37 PM
Starved.  The ones we've built so far ran from 12v, we've just make a new power board for that one (it's not assembled yet). 9v in, regulated 6v for the heaters, 18v for the buffer and 40v for the plates. We'll be running a 12AU7A in there. A 12BH7 would draw double the current and seeing as we're already doubling that by running the heaters at 6v rather than 12v we'd be looking at a 600mA draw for the heaters alone. Which is getting a little excessive from the perspective that we're trying to make this one so it'll run off a Jonny Shredfreak PSU with plenty of grunt to spare.

Mainly it's an experiment as the biggest problem we have with the valve pedals is the brick of a PSU needed to run some of them. That and I'm trying to get to the stage where I can run all my regular pedals from a pair of JS PSUs instead of the 4 different ones I have chucked behind the amp at the moment.

As for what it is, it's this (that's the schem for running from 12v, heaters would be wired differently for 6v):

(http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/schematics/Valve%20Casters/BoobTubeSchematic.jpg)

We run the buffer from a klone after it.

Our take on a valve caster (pisses all over one from a great height IMO). Though it's really only for low wattage single channel amps (like my Goldstar). It's just like having a stompable crunch channel. Possibly my favourite pedal.
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: sgmypod on October 29, 2011, 09:53:25 PM
loving the chopper one.....
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: juansolo on October 30, 2011, 08:11:39 PM
loving the chopper one.....

Looks even better now :)
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: sgmypod on October 30, 2011, 11:05:25 PM
Pics, pics
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Post by: juansolo on October 31, 2011, 08:58:37 AM
Like the SHO, this is an insanely simple circuit that just sounds really good.

I just want to give it a couple more days for the lacquer to harden before I send it out.

(http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/images/chopper-o.jpg)

(http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/images/chopper-i.jpg)
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Post by: Transcend on October 31, 2011, 09:13:46 AM
That looks awesome.

Very tidy.

What wire do you use? im currently using some solid core 22awg stuff that i use for wiring preamps but its a bit too stiff for pedals really.  The stuff you are using looks nice and flexible
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: juansolo on October 31, 2011, 09:37:23 AM
Solid core also. I'll ask cleggy to look up where he got the last reel from. I really have a shite memory for such things.
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Post by: sgmypod on October 31, 2011, 10:11:58 AM
That looks cool, very neat
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Post by: HTH AMPS on October 31, 2011, 12:00:26 PM
Nice neat build.

I like PTFE wire, but its SO expensive if you want a few colours to use in amps since they normally only sell by the reel (100m).  I don't really want to drop £500 on a load of wire thank you very much  :lol:

If anyone fancies sharing some, maybe we could just buy some red and black PTFE - that covers most jobs.
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: Transcend on October 31, 2011, 12:10:31 PM
Nice neat build.

I like PTFE wire, but its SO expensive if you want a few colours to use in amps since they normally only sell by the reel (100m).  I don't really want to drop £500 on a load of wire thank you very much  :lol:

If anyone fancies sharing some, maybe we could just buy some red and black PTFE - that covers most jobs.

Im using some PTFE wire that you can get in small amounts from modulus amps its only available in limited guages.

But im all up for going in on a reel sometime after christmas
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Post by: HTH AMPS on October 31, 2011, 12:15:19 PM
I got some samples about a year back, will dig out their quote if there is enough interest.
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Post by: juansolo on October 31, 2011, 12:49:34 PM
I think the solid core I use is less than a tenner for 100m so I'll be sticking with that. The best stuff you can use for pedals however is the pre-tinned multi-cored stuff. It's marvellous. But there are no UK suppiers of it that I can find that'll do 100m reels of it for sensible money :(
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: marauder on October 31, 2011, 12:56:20 PM
I think the solid core I use is less than a tenner for 100m so I'll be sticking with that. The best stuff you can use for pedals however is the pre-tinned multi-cored stuff. It's marvellous. But there are no UK suppiers of it that I can find that'll do 100m reels of it for sensible money :(

Less than a tenner?  Make it less than 4 quid mate.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ORANGE-EXTRA-FLEXIBLE-SOLID-CORE-EQUIPMENT-WIRE-100M-/250917856446?pt=UK_AudioElectronicsVideo_Video_TelevisionSetTopBoxes&hash=item3a6bdea4be#ht_1373wt_1142
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: Transcend on October 31, 2011, 01:09:35 PM
I think the solid core I use is less than a tenner for 100m so I'll be sticking with that. The best stuff you can use for pedals however is the pre-tinned multi-cored stuff. It's marvellous. But there are no UK suppiers of it that I can find that'll do 100m reels of it for sensible money :(



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ORANGE-EXTRA-FLEXIBLE-SOLID-CORE-EQUIPMENT-WIRE-100M-/250917856446?pt=UK_AudioElectronicsVideo_Video_TelevisionSetTopBoxes&hash=item3a6bdea4be#ht_1373wt_1142


Awesome ill be getting some of that!

Less than a tenner?  Make it less than 4 quid mate.
Title: Re: For the klone lovers... Interesting experimentage afoot.
Post by: juansolo on October 31, 2011, 01:53:11 PM
It's a good measure of how many pedals we've made. I'm on my third reel...