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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Frank666 on December 23, 2011, 05:40:33 PM
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http://www.musicradar.com/totalguitar/us-luthier-ed-roman-passes-away-520750
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Luthier... Hmmm I thought he left that to the guys who made 'reproductions' for him. ;)
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Have a look at the SD site - not exactly mourned.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229608&highlight=ed+roman
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this is legit???
OOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! !!!
but it shouldn't be Ed Roman passes away... but Fat leprechaun chokes on his own c--k. Found dead in pool of piss.
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The celebratory manner this has been received on several forums is disgusting.
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The celebratory manner this has been received on several forums is disgusting.
I sort of agree, yet I sort of don't. I frankly think this disgusting little scamming troll should have had some sort of comeuppance way, way sooner. I know, it is fundamentally distasteful to flat out cheer when someone dies, but I just can't help myself here. I will quote a bloke from the SD forum, since he sums it up quite well:
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His legacy in death was created in his life. It is what it is, and he was who he was. His dying doesn't suddenly make him not a dick anymore.
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Basically, what I'm really saying here is:
"Neil, you're a much better person than I am, but who here didn't see that coming?"
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Jeg er ligeglad. Jeg kører alti' for stærkt. Alti' Alti'.
I condole for his family and friends.
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My condolences go to his family, friends and anyone who held him dear.
He was somewhat of a firebrand, and pissed off a large number of folks, along with amusing many others.
His website was always eye candy with a large number of pix of cool guitars – I have enjoyed looking at it in my time.
His rants page has been both eye opening as well as cringe making in equal parts, but often warranted a look to see what he said.
The treatment of customers in his store is pretty mixed - I'm sure many were well looked after - the only first hand accounts I've had were less than stellar.
His theft of other small makers guitar designs and claiming them as his own ......well - I'll let your own moral compass decide that one for you.
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the only direct experience i have of ed is a pearlcaster which came into the local shop. It cost the owner a hell of a lot of money especially after import and shipping
it looked pretty, but as far as potential it was on the level of an MIM strat. we actually realised it had a few major problems which needed sorting. I can forgive uneven frets and bad relief after a guitar travels from Nevada to Burton, at least i cant blame ed for that. but when i say it had the potential of an MIM strat, i mean that is as good as we could really make it without changing hardware, and it took a lot of reassembly to get to that level.
(I mean nothing against MIM strats, met some nice ones in my time, just trying to put it into price perspective)
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It's always the bad stories that are likely to surface most, obviously. We all kno we're far more prone to complain than to compliment service or products generally. But even if he was total scoundrel he hardly warrants "good riddance" type posts like Davey's appalling "OOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! !!!" garbage above. A shady local businessman might be a prick, but he isn't Kim Jong Il.
If unethical businessmen need posthumous condemnation, let's save it for people like Paul Bulcke; people behind companies heavily involved in REALLY awful practices. Not guys that shifted overpriced guitars and didn't provide the best after-sales.
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Why should the fact that this guy died change our perspective of him? He was a despicable business man that took advantage of people. I am not happy that he died, but I'm not crying in my beer over it, either.
I find this revisionist/feel-good/bleeding heart mentality displayed by many to be more disturbing than Roman's business practices in some respects. Roman deliberately acted in a controversial manner and I am sure he had a public and private face, but the bottom line is the guy was SHADY. I had several dealings with him when I was really into ESP/J Frog guitars. I would never take ANYTHING he said abut any guitar at face value. He tried to rip me off on two occasions.
If everyone automatically gets 'tagged out' and gets a free pass when they die, our already severely dubious history will get even more skewed.
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Listen up now...
why the hell ... like others have said.. should the fact, that he is dead, change our feelings towards him?
Do you feel different about Hitler or Kim Jong Il, now that they are no longer among the living? If you do, i feel pity for you.
He WAS Hitler of the guitar world, as far as i'm concerned.
Let me ask you this.. How would you feel, when you bought a Masterbuilt Custom shop Fender Tele from him, try to get a part that broke from him and he wouldn't or couldn't give it to you, because of whatever reason. You then turn to Fender, asking them for the custom guitar specific bridge for the Custom shop tele, serial number 965235.. and they would tell you that guitar did not exist? He has forged everything from BC.Rich, Moser, Jackson, Fender Gibson.. etc etc you name it, he's done it.
Or this.. You design a guitar.. very specific shape. You go to a manufacturer and have it made. You ask that manufacturer, that IF someone is interested in that guitar, they can not make it without your approval. The manufacturer agrees. Several months later, you find YOUR guitar. Pictures of your EXACT guitar, that YOU took, on HIS $%&#ing website, advertised as IN STOCK .. Roman did get a foot up his ass for that one though.. Still didnt change his practice. He did it to several other people.
$%&# the fat $%&#!
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Why should the fact that this guy died change our perspective of him?
Who suggested anything of the sort?
Listen up now...
why the hell ... like others have said.. should the fact, that he is dead, change our feelings towards him?
Do you feel different about Hitler or Kim Jong Il, now that they are no longer among the living? If you do, i feel pity for you.
He WAS Hitler of the guitar world, as far as i'm concerned.
And here I'd have hoped everyone would be capable of being grown-up enough not to drop the Ultimate Baddie comparison. Good god. I did actually mention Kim Jong Il incidentally, clearly implying I didn't think well of him now he's dead. Maybe you missed it in your reactionary flabbergastery.
I feel no different about about Ed Roman now. Nor do I think anyone else should. Indeed doing so would be dishonest to your own feelings. But there's quite a difference between saying "He was an arsehole" and saying "I'm glad he's dead" and if you can't see it you're an idiot.
EDIT: On googling, I'm thoroughly disappointed I didn't coin "flabbergastery".
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ooo, ooo ... aren't we on a moral high ground ...
Oh well, if it makes you sleep at night.
I for one AM glad he's dead, and not ashamed to admit it.
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You should be.
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Why exactly?
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We actually want discourse now? Wonderful.
Because being glad a person whose only wronged by in a rubbish deal has died is stupid. The only consideration he should be due from any sensible person in that situation is, at most, is "I think he's a prick and I hope if that's how he does business then I hope he goes bust". And obviously a legal pursuit if all you say is accurate. That's it.
He was Hitler of the guitar world? How can that accusation be made by any thinking person?
Some perspective on the world is a glorious thing.
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Man, you know what... i can't even be bothered to reply.
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I'm glad he won't be scamming any kids anymore (he sold an import Chuck Schulidner Stealth to a kid who was a big Death fan and wanted a guitar like Chuck's as his first, and advertised it as a custom shop BC Rich, priced as such) but I hardly take any joy in his death.
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Man, you know what... i can't even be bothered to reply.
Read: Have no response. I am overcome with surprise.
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Nope, i just have nothing to say to PC ####!!s like you. You can spin this around any way you like, this moronic morality parade won't get you anywhere anyway.
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I haven't posted in this thread so far because I don't know who Ed Roman is, I don't know a fraction of what you guys know about the guitar world, but I can't believe I just read someone compare a shady businessman to Hitler - really? If he has been ripping off designs from other builders and deceiving customers then fair enough, let's call him a tw*t or whatever, but Hitler?
I wouldn't say that I am particularly PC, but I don't take pleasure in hearing about the death of a man just because he deceived people. I think we need to keep a sense of perspective.
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political correctness gone mad!!
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LMAO
look at how everybody got their panties in a bunch!!
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I dunno if it's "knickers in a bunch" so much as "Goodness, what an exasperatingly stupid statement".
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You sure do like to pick fights a lot, and argue on and on and on, huh? :D
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Ah, the humble ad hominen.
So we've that, the falling a back on insult, the Nazi comparison, the knickers in a twist, the I can't be bothered (follow by being bothered)...
Any more comedy internet cliches for the inefficient debater you wish to trot out? :lol:
EDIT: You've still got "I was just trying to get a reaction, anyway" and "Ha, me and my mates are having such a laugh at this thread"?
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You seem to have taken this personal Mr. Moral Police. Now, i hope i'm going to make this clear for you.
Not that you had anything useful to add to all of this in the first place, all you do at this point is just trolling and trying to get any response, in which you then cry foul and prolonging this for the amusement for your own conceited intellect.
Sorry my man but, as much as it seems the other way around, you more than likely haven't got a clue at how low on the "i give a damn" you and your opinions are. Your cookie cutter responses, as to why i should feel the way YOU think i should feel are comical at best. No, it doesn't work that way i'm afraid.
No matter on how tall a moral high ground you think are, you're just prolonging a pointless fight, that you thought you must start, just to defend a criminal and prove me wrong.
You've forgotten your own line, you so carefully hide yourself behind. Everything you read is an opinion, there is no right or wrong. Do care to disregard it if you do not agree with it. Your life will be less stressful for it. Now, have a good rest of the night.
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Brilliant. Though I'm glad you decided to actually type a real reply again.
You seem to have taken this personal Mr. Moral Police. Now, i hope i'm going to make this clear for you.
Not that you had anything useful to add to all of this in the first place, all you do at this point is just trolling and trying to get any response, in which you then cry foul and prolonging this for the amusement for your own conceited intellect.
What I'm doing quite clearly isn't trolling by any stretch of the imagination, 'tis partially for my own amusement though, yes, because I wanted to hear the daft Hitler comparison and the glee over someone relatively insignificant's death justified, rather than just avoided after it was questioned.
Sorry my man but, as much as it seems the other way around, you more than likely haven't got a clue at how low on the "i give a damn" you and your opinions are.
I'm fairly confident I do. It'll be twice as high, more or less, as how much I'm concerned with people calling me a PC ####!! is.
Your cookie cutter responses, as to why i should feel the way YOU think i should feel are comical at best. No, it doesn't work that way i'm afraid.
PC ####!! and bleeding heart auto-responses are cookie cutter, old chum. Actually thought through sentences less so, I feel.
No matter on how tall a moral high ground you think are, you're just prolonging a pointless fight, that you thought you must start, just to defend a criminal and prove me wrong.
I in no way defended a criminal. You misread (or simply imagined) that, several times again after it was clarified (which it shouldn't have needed to be), apparently. Nor did I attempt to prove you wrong, I just called your distasteful "Oooh Yeah!" statement appalling, and your incredibly silly Hitler comparison idiotic.
Now, have a good rest of the night.
Cheers. Tallyho!
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He was really more of a Kim Jong Il anyway. :lol:
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nfe, you are trolling. Though you are doing it in a wonderfully passive agressive way.
You don't care about the man or subject to any great extent or have any direct experience of dealing with the man.
Yet you criticise those who have. Maybe part of your position is admirable but don't use it as a shield to hide the self serving part of what you're doing.
Being a self-appointed "Jiminy Cricket" doesn't change anything but if you're having fun doing it - at least admit it.
Your fun is derived from the anticipation of the responses you're quick to comdemn.
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Naaaaah. That's not trolling. Making posts you don't agree with to get a reaction or making statements you do agree with but where you expect the majority to diametrically oppose is what makes trolling, no? My requests for Davey to justify his position, which I find genuinely repugnant, are entirely sincere. So to is my saying his comparison to Hitler is laughable. Had I posted the initial remark expecting loads of people to argue it, that'd be trolling as I think of it - I didn't, I posted it expecting pretty much everyone to agree (and only one cat has disagreed - another misread it) given there's been good wholesome backlashes at people posting stupid "good riddance" rubbish even on places like SevenString, where preferring Bernie Rico Jnr to Ibanez can lead to death threats :lol:
I don't think whether I care about Ed Roman (and I've said I think he's an arse, but am pretty indifferent to him) is at all relevant. It's the principle of being glad a person who's not really done anything particularly grave in the grand scheme of things is dead that was in question.
I've affirmed, not denied, that there's some fun in it. Mostly the hope of getting even more silly answers, but that doesn't mean it's trolling. At all. The root of it is not fun, the root of it is thinking people should defend daft statements.
Perhaps much of it is lost in text, it'd be noted I speak to all my friends EXACTLY how I write on forums (with equal verbosity, to their chagrin, I'm sure) and it's entirely jovial. Including telling them they're stupid and have repugnant ideas. And I'm not doing it to get a laugh then either - it's to try and force people to justify things that they say. It's how we understand other people's opinions, after all.
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It's the principle of being glad a person who's not really done anything particularly grave in the grand scheme of things is dead that was in question.
So another person's emotional disposition toward the dead matters to you?
I speak to all my friends EXACTLY how I write on forums (with equal verbosity, to their chagrin, I'm sure) and it's entirely jovial. Including telling them they're stupid and have repugnant ideas.
Thankfully you display the Wisdom of Solomon and the eloqence of Oscar Wilde otherwise that behavour could become onerous...
And I'm not doing it to get a laugh then either - it's to try and force people to justify things that they say. It's how we understand other people's opinions, after all.
Very worthy if it is productive but I'd suggest the main lesson to be learned from Ed Roman could be that "Life's too Short"
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He was really more of a Kim Jong Il anyway. :lol:
I heard they were the same height, actually.
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Are you two married?
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"Jiminy Cricket"
It is panto time after all.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/08/article-1110069-01EB3B220000044D-119_235x202.jpg)
fan daby dozie!
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"Jiminy Cricket"
It is panto time after all.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/08/article-1110069-01EB3B220000044D-119_235x202.jpg)
fan daby dozie!
Ehhh.. "Little Jimmy Krankie" is a Scot who often acts like a child yet enjoys adopting strange positions while f**king around with others just for self gratification.
Can't see any connection there. :lol:
Scots stars The Krankies reveal swinging 'ding dongs'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-16244795
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He was really more of a Kim Jong Il anyway. :lol:
He had something in common with Mr Kim - hatred of South Koreans.
At least that's how I always interpreted his contemptuous comments about "import" guitars.
(Oh yeah, forgot to say RIP. Kim and Roman, I guess.)
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Step away from the keyboards people.
Remember it's just an internet forum, getting worked up about it is really not worth it.
Chill. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ombnqWR3eA)
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Mmmmmm
M&S deserts
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Crikey, this thread got all hot under the collar all of a sudden, didn't it?
Christmas cheer, folks - life's too short.
Just ask Ed and Kim.
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Personally i couldnt care less whether hes died or not.
But it IS very wrong to go around saying you are glad.
It is a very insensitive thing to do.
How do you think his close family feel? They don't wan't to see keyboard warriors battling on against the memory of their recently lost family member.
Its childish and pathetic.
If you didn't like him fair enough, if you did thats also fair enough but think of the bigger picture.
If someone close to you had died would you want to hear about people bashing them regardless of what theyve done in the past?
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It is odd that, given that many of us profess to be atheists, that we keep writing RIP when somebody dies. Remember: nam post mortem nihil est, ipsaque mors nihil.
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It is odd that, given that many of us profess to be atheists, that we keep writing RIP when somebody dies. Remember: nam post mortem nihil est, ipsaque mors nihil.
How could I have forgotten? :lol:
I am instinctively atheist, but I'd be quite happy not to be. Let's keep the afterlife options open!
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It is odd that, given that many of us profess to be atheists, that we keep writing RIP when somebody dies. Remember: nam post mortem nihil est, ipsaque mors nihil.
Fair shout.
Its kinda like 'soul' though; its a handy term even if you dont give it any literal meaning.
And nfes right. Being happy a persons dead under any circumstances is morbid at best and highly ethically questionable, even moreso drawing any comparisons between a shady businessman and hitler. I dont terribly care that hes dead, I didnt know him personally and nothing he did in his life has made any meaningfull contact with mine, but making light of it or acting like its a good thing he died on grounds of 'he was dogdy' and comparing shady business practices to a genocidal totalitarian dictator is callous and disgusting.
Also, Godwinned on page, what, 2? :lol:
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Also, Godwinned on page, what, 2? :lol:
Actually, I think it was page 1.
But this is still nothing, compared to the naught-to-Godwin-ratio of other forums.
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Well, I just searched for 'Godwinned' and within a few seconds had learnt something new. God I love this place!
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Well, I just searched for 'Godwinned' and within a few seconds had learnt something new. God I love this place!
Yes I had to look it up as well.
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Also, Godwinned on page, what, 2? :lol:
Actually, I think it was page 1.
But this is still nothing, compared to the naught-to-Godwin-ratio of other forums.
Yeah! some of the WW2 fourms I've been on have been crazy for it...often it's Godwined in the subject line.
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yeah, or the HC forums..
"OMG you dont liek A7X?!??!1 Synyster is the best evah! Ur worse than Hitler!!!!!!!11"
Ugh, kids these days...
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He WAS Hitler of the guitar world, as far as i'm concerned.
Surely the key part of this statement is of the guitar world?
Maybe Hitler was the Ed Roman of the head of state world, but surely somewhere between genocide and fraud there comes a line where jubilation in the light of someone's death is unnecessary?