Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: GuitarIv on September 30, 2012, 04:19:46 PM
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So, lately I have "Carnival is forever" by Decapitated running on repeat every day. The tone on the album is unreal, for those who don't know it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KFObx3n2K0&feature=related
I know Vogg, their guitarist uses EMGs in his guitar (81) and the rythm tracks were recorded with a Crate Excalibur Solid State Amp. Now I have decided to put a Ceramic Nailbomb into my Ibanez (Baswood, Maple Neck and Fretboard) and I'm wondering if the C-Bomb could achieve such a tone? Not considering the amp. I read a few times that the Miracle Man is closer to the EMG 81.
Opinions?
p.s.: for those who are into Decap, here's an amazing studio diary for the album:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jVeesidlQ&feature=related
Cheers!
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If you want an EMG tone then why not just go EMG? i love the Cbomb in my guitar, i think its a very versatile pickup which excels in metal.
I havent got experience of the Miracleman (though I would love to try one) but when I asked Tim regarding what pickup was closest to the EMG 81 his answer was the Painkiller.
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I want something that has as much power as the 81 in terms of pressure, the raw sound in the clip. I don't want a EMG because I don't want my guitar to be equipped with a battery, to me it's just... wrong. Neither does it have to be a "clone" :P
Since I got my first Bareknuckle I don't want any other brand because BKPs are really worth the money imo ^^
I'm just unsure if the Ceramic Nailbomb will be able to achieve a similar raw sound for such heavy riffing, so I'm looking out for folks that have experience with the PU
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Go SD blackouts then :D Having a battery isn't much of a hassle seeing they last a few thousand hours. You get that tone and nice pick response. I has a c-pig in my 7 string and it, for power, blew the actives away.
I went actives as I like Fear Factory. It's what they use and I have no issues with batteries. It also gave me reason to buy a Les Paul. Needed something passive :)
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Please dont get blackouts. Tubby mushy peices of shitee.
I think that that sound has EMG all over it and youre never going to get anything but a somewhat similar cousin 3 times removed with anything else.
That said, the AM is the best bet of BKs for its mid grind. I have lots of experience with the C-Bomb and its high end and high mids are too polite and tailed off for that kinda thing for starters.
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Blackout 1's are fine. Not much different to EMG's.
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not much what now?
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Agree to disagree it seems.
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So, lately I have "Carnival is forever" by Decapitated running on repeat every day. The tone on the album is unreal, for those who don't know it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KFObx3n2K0&feature=related
I know Vogg, their guitarist uses EMGs in his guitar (81) and the rythm tracks were recorded with a Crate Excalibur Solid State Amp. Now I have decided to put a Ceramic Nailbomb into my Ibanez (Baswood, Maple Neck and Fretboard) and I'm wondering if the C-Bomb could achieve such a tone? Not considering the amp. I read a few times that the Miracle Man is closer to the EMG 81.
Opinions?
p.s.: for those who are into Decap, here's an amazing studio diary for the album:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jVeesidlQ&feature=related
Cheers!
I'd say if EMGs were used, you can't go wrong with that. Great sound is just as much a result of the production. Of course a Miracle Man will do as well probably.
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not much what now?
:lol:
I agree. I had a set of blackout AHB1s and they were quite possibly the worst pickups I have ever played. muddy overgained and really flabby in the lows.
Replaced them with various pickups all of which were far better.
I'll agree with MDV and say EMG>Aftermath>EMG if the the aftermath didn't do it for you :D
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I should say I do prefer EMG's (X series and Het set) over AHB1s. ABH1s do what I want but are a one trick pony. But back on topic, I'd send an email to the guys asking about Aftermaths.
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Well, as said EMGs aren't an option for me. However I've emailed BKP and got a response from Tim. The ceramic Blackhawk should do the trick. And don't worry, I'm perfectly aware that it won't sound exactly like this ^^
As said Vogg is using EMGs and playing the rythms with a Crate Excalibur head, which is a really old solid sate amp. The guitars aren't double tracked either, for a raw, Pantera like sound. I don't know how exactly they did it, but the sound is really amazing to my ears. I'd really recommend to watch the short studio report, a lot of interessting stuff to see :)
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Well after listening to that youtube link I'd say that there's a lot of character that the amp is imprinting on that sound; the pickup probably is really relatively unimportant for that sound.
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I think the Rocktron Metal Planet might be something that could get you to that sound.
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Thanks, I shall check it out :)
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The guitars are doubled, quite obviously (except when the guitar is on its own). So were panteras.
And they blended the crate with a bogner uberschall iirc (its in that studio vid).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Is_Forever
"In order to achieve "the 'true', organic and natural sound", the band recorded with live drums (without using drum triggers) and without double guitar tracks, which means one guitar per side."
Then maybe Wikipedia is full of shitee?
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And I didn't say Pantera wasn't double tracked ^^
I was just refering to what Vogg says when he flicks on the crate
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One guitar per side is double tracking, and its whats clearly audible in the full mix, and pretty normal in production of metal.
Edit: two per side is called quad-tracking. Also pretty normal in metal. Its usually one or the other. Layering formats that get less look-in are ones with one or more centre tracks.
So yes, whoever wrote that wiki is at least using some odd terminology, very different to what you normally find when discussing guitar tracking. At least they actually describe what they mean by double tracking, so that we can see that its not whats normally meant by double tracking, and that after saying it wasnt double tracked (their defintion: 2 gutiars per side), say that it was double tracked (normal defintion: 2 guitars, total).
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I see, thanks for clearing up, my fault
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No bother.