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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Riff_King77 on December 26, 2012, 08:58:28 PM
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I'm new to the site and i currently am on the lookout for a decent amplifier or halfstack to go with my Gibson SG Standard,at the moment i have a "Kustom Dual 35 DFX" which is a bit Meh,the sound i am looking for is AC/DC style and my amp just can't produce it nor is the clarity up to much either,i have owned a Marshall MG50 DFX in the past but that wasn't really all that great either,any suggestions would be appreciated Thanks.
Riff King77.
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What is your price limit and how loud can it be?
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It is just for home use so not too loud maybe i should be looking for something in the lower watt range than what i have,i'm currently looking at a Peavey ValveKing 100w Head and ValveKing 4x12 Cabinet - Half stack that is going cheap at the moment but maybe that is way more than i need for home use LOL,i don't want to spend much to be honest like maybe £200 topzzz!!
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Have you looked at the Laney LC15?
They're fairly nice little amps. They're pretty easy to mod into a low wattage JCM800 too
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Thanks,i haven't looked at those actually,i have been looking at Vox VT15's and VT 20 Valvetronix which are well within my price range,anyone had much experience with these ? thanks.
Riff King 77.
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ACDC tones = Orange Tiny Terror or Dual Terror.
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Yeah i've looked at those "Too Pricey" for my liking...for all i strive for AC/DC tones i like the early Oasis stuff too so i'm thinking Vox and Ibanez TS-9 Tubescreamer will give me the tones i'm looking for and with a little bit of cranking i'll maybe get close to the AC/DC Stuff :idea:
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ACDC tones = Orange Tiny Terror or Dual Terror.
My thought too as I can get those with my TT easily, but one may not forget the Micro Terror.
Cheaper and still something to mess with. Really impressive for size and prize.
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ACDC tones = Orange Tiny Terror or Dual Terror.
My thought too as I can get those with my TT easily, but one may not forget the Micro Terror.
Cheaper and still something to mess with. Really impressive for size and prize.
+1: Get a used TT or a Dual Terror. But the Micro Terror with a decent cab will deliver the goodies too, at a budgetprice.
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those laney cubs are meant to have jcm800-style preamps. they're under £200. I haven't tried them, though. But might be worth considering.
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Good call on the Micro terror. forgot all about those. They do sound great and get pretty darn loud if you need to, great for the price.
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Jet City JCA 20? won't do over the top lead gain without a pedal but should give you the crunch you desire
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The Micro Terror and the Jet City JCA 20 are both good suggestions :D
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I'd go with the JCA20 over the micro terror.
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Thanks for the suggestions,if i go for something like a "Micro Terror" is it worth also investing in the Orange 1x8 20w 8' speaker cabinet ?
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Thanks for the suggestions,if i go for something like a "Micro Terror" is it worth also investing in the Orange 1x8 20w 8' speaker cabinet ?
The cab does what you'd expect from a small budgetcab. The Micro Terror just sounds way better on a good 2x12-cab with by example V30's. Or even a 112 V30-cab will be the icing on the cake.
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Thanks for the suggestions,if i go for something like a "Micro Terror" is it worth also investing in the Orange 1x8 20w 8' speaker cabinet ?
The cab does what you'd expect from a small budgetcab. The Micro Terror just sounds way better on a good 2x12-cab with by example V30's. Or even a 112 V30-cab will be the icing on the cake.
Before I bought my Micro Terror I tried it with the Orange 1x8 cab and whilst it got plenty loud enough, it sounded really muffled and boxy.
I use mine at home and with my band (it's my backup amp) through either a 1x12 with a Celestion CL80 or a 2x12 Zilla Fatboy 2x12 with V30s and it's plenty loud enough, especially when mic'd up, to use live and also sounds good for what it is too.
Best £89 I've spent in a long time tbh :D
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I think after all my research i have done on amplifiers i am favouring something like a Vox AC as i want something with crystal clear clarity on clean and just rigging up a TS 808 or TS9.
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I think after all my research i have done on amplifiers i am favouring something like a Vox AC as i want something with crystal clear clarity on clean and just rigging up a TS 808 or TS9.
That's what I do when I rehearsel at home, playing along with YT: Suhr Riot -> Blues Junior.
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I don't know what research you've done but I don't think a modelling amp run clean with a Tubescreamer is going to get you anywhere close to the AC/DC sound.
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yeah a tubescreamer doesn't really sound marshally.
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It supplements the Marshall sound but it's definitely not the Marshall sound. Only a Marshall is!
Try the new DSL 15 heads, they're pretty nice.
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Yeah i know i may not got the total AC/DC sound i strive but i also want to be able to play the early oasis stuff aswell and this setup will let me accomplish that sound,i know Angus doesn't use any effects pedals whatsoever and just hooks straight into a marshall but i don't have 3K to throw on a rig up like that lol,and as i said in my opening post i had owned a Marshall MG50 DFX and the experience was poor for my taste so i want to go in another direction.
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had owned a Marshall MG50 DFX and the experience was poor for my taste so i want to go in another direction.
THe MG & DSL are completely different worlds as far as amplifiers go.
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Yeah i know i may not got the total AC/DC sound i strive but i also want to be able to play the early oasis stuff aswell and this setup will let me accomplish that sound,i know Angus doesn't use any effects pedals whatsoever and just hooks straight into a marshall but i don't have 3K to throw on a rig up like that lol,and as i said in my opening post i had owned a Marshall MG50 DFX and the experience was poor for my taste so i want to go in another direction.
You're maybe a touch confused as to what it takes to get that sound. both noel gallagher and AC/DC use marshalls. you don't need to throw 3k at it. you just need a low wattage amp you can crank.
An MGDFX as stated is a solid state amp, you weren't getting a real taste of what marshall is with it. you can't judge there valve amps on that. not even in the same ballpark
Putting a Tubescreamer into a crystal clear clean channel will not give optimal results, it's not really how dirt pedals work.
either the micro terror or the JCA20 or a low watt blackstar (which is strictly speaking hybrid, but sounds good for the money) are all good suggestions
I suggested the JCA as Soldano's are a traditionally mid rangey amp, similar to a hot rodded marshall. they're 20 watts and if you add a good attenuator you'll be able to crank it and get what you're looking for or even without. Way closer than a vox and TS. An orange is also the epitome of midrange brit growl.
you're asking for advice but not really taking any that anyone's given you.
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Right i see,it's not that i am not taking the advice on board i am simply keeping my options open,also most of what has been suggested to me so far is going to cost a fair chunk of wedge if i want to hook up a Micro Terror to a 2x12 cabinet which i ultimately do if i was to get one of those, i will listen to anything anyone puts forward on here and i will explore those avenues like i have been doing so don't think i haven't been listening :idea:
Btw Noel used a Vox AC30 and a TS9 Tubescreamer in his early days on the Morning Glory Album ;)
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The character of the Vox vs Marshall is very different. AC/DC is all about cranked Marshalls. You're not going to get an AC30 to sound like that, although if you get a proper AC30 and crank it up it might well still sound cool. The point is between those sounds you're after you'll need to strike a compromise.
Also, just like Tekbow pointed out that the MG50 DFX isn't really anywhere near a benchmark for the marshall valve sound, the Vox Valvetronix etc is nowhere near the AC30 sound. I used to rehearse with a valvetronix (cant remember the model) on a regular basis and I have to say, hands down, those heads are the worst sounding and worst constructed amplifiers I have ever used and using it with a tubescreamer won't make a difference because the the solid state preamp in something like a valvetronix won't react in the same way as a AC30 valve preamp at all.
I feel like you may as well go for a line 6 modelling combo of some description, which probably isn't much different to the amp you have now, but it might just sound better. Or find a pod or something and use it in front of your current amp just to increase the range of sounds you can get.
Nothing but cranked valves sounds like cranked valves.
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The main problem here is that a great amp costs a great amount of money!
However for a nice cheap option get any of the small heads. I think the micro terror is £89?
and one of these
http://www.roadkillcabs.co.uk/product/rkb112-the-badger/
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Ok guy's thanks for pointing out the VT's aren't really up to much in comparisan to the AC's,i will go for a Micro Terror and lookout for a decent 2x12 Cab with hopefully something like V30's in there,btw what are those RK Cabs like ? anyone had any experience with them ? also what can i expect if i rig up a TS9 to the Micro Terror' would it be any good ?
Riff_King77
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There are a few people on here that have the micro terrors so maybe they could tell you?
Regarding the RK cabs from what i've heard in clips they're very nice especially for the price. I currently have a custom sized one being made. That's a big bonus for me that everything is made to your spec if you ask for it.
I believe he also has a sale on until tomorrow. Something like buy a 2x12 cab and get one speaker free.
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It supplements the Marshall sound but it's definitely not the Marshall sound. Only a Marshall is!
loads of things sound marshally, not just marshalls. that being said, i agree with your general sentiment, that a ts only really sounds marshally when used to boost an already overdriven marshall. used into a clean amp as a standalone od it doesn't sound marshally at all, IMO.
The main problem here is that a great amp costs a great amount of money!
However for a nice cheap option get any of the small heads. I think the micro terror is £89?
and one of these
http://www.roadkillcabs.co.uk/product/rkb112-the-badger/
i really like my roadkill cabs, but i don't think that's the best way round to maximise his tone from a value point of view- i'd cheap out on the cab and put more towards the amp.
for example, the valvepower 18 watter has VVR built in and is around £350. Combine that with a vht 1x12 cab (£80- it's ply and all and sounds good) on thomann and an eminence gb128 (~£50) and maybe a couple of cheap pedals (joyo or something like that) and that's probably the cheapest way to get convincing vintage marshall tones at low volumes. Those 18 watters also don't sound a million miles off voxy tones, either (especially through suitable speakers), which might be an added bonus for those noel gallagher tones.
for sake of full disclosure- my valvepower head has been acting up a little for a while (haven't got round to getting anything done to it :o ), but assuming i just got unlucky and it's not an inherent quality/workmanship fault, it's hard to beat at the price.
that still might be more than you want to pay, of course, and that's fair enough. in that case, those laney cubs might be worth a look, which i mentioned earlier. as i said, i haven't tried them, though.
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I agree with Dave. There are so many good pedals and little amps out there that sound Marshally.
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Ok guy's thanks for pointing out the VT's aren't really up to much in comparisan to the AC's,i will go for a Micro Terror and lookout for a decent 2x12 Cab with hopefully something like V30's in there,btw what are those RK Cabs like ? anyone had any experience with them ? also what can i expect if i rig up a TS9 to the Micro Terror' would it be any good ?
Riff_King77
If I recall correctly from talk around here and my store tryout the Micro Terror takes boosts and ODs well, I certainly would use either. This is due to it having a tube preamp stage, so you can really get is cooking the way you like, just with the output being solidstate, allowing for low volumes.
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For around £200 I'd agree with Toe-Knee on the Laney LC15. Some seriously nice crunch available. If you're used to a Marshall MG which is total poop you'll think you've gone to heaven.
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Not sure if someone has pointed this out yet, but an Orange will sound absolutely nothing like ACDC. Not even remotely close. I love Orange amps but that is not what I would use them for.
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Btw Noel used a Vox AC30 and a TS9 Tubescreamer in his early days on the Morning Glory Album ;)
Nearly
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/article/2472-the-complete-noel-gallagher-oasis-gear-guide.html
the laney is a great idea, on the orange front, well.. I've found them capable of a good crunch, low end is fuzzier than a marshall, but they're still a Brit rock amp for sure. It's closer than an AC30
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Btw Noel used a Vox AC30 and a TS9 Tubescreamer in his early days on the Morning Glory Album ;)
Nearly
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/article/2472-the-complete-noel-gallagher-oasis-gear-guide.html
the thing to look at there is the gear list rather than what dolphin are trying to sell you. wikipedia also lists marshalls as his main amp.
the laney is a great idea, on the orange front, well.. I've found them capable of a good crunch, low end is fuzzier than a marshall, but they're still a Brit rock amp for sure. It's closer than an AC30
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I've actually found a nice Marshall DSL 401-JCM 2000 for a great price,it was over my intended budget but worth the extra pennies and also this way i know i am guaranteed that punchy AC/DC sound i'm striving for,also just snagged a TS9 and Little Big Muff for some extra fun so i'm well on my way to Rock heaven :band1: :band1: appreciate all the suggestions you all put forward and thanks for the DSL mention otherwise i would not have been looking for one;)
Riff_King77