Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: GuitarIv on January 16, 2013, 12:16:07 AM
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Hey fellas
going to be deciding between the Aftermath and the C-Pig as new bridge pickup for my Jackson Fusion.
Now I've been attracted to the AM for it's unforgiving nature (good to improve skills), the absolute clearness and the huge mids that make it "cut" as most people say. But at the same time I played a mates axe with Warpigs (Alnico Bridge) and absolutely loved the sound. Huge output with lots of power and punch, yet clear. I want the ceramic bridge for a tighter sound and a nice death metal tone, however I'd like to know how much cut does the C-Pig have?
Don't get me wrong, but I like to be heard live, so that's an important thing for me. I should also mention that I'm tuned to E-Flat, so the "low tuning bonus" the AM has isn't important to me.
I'd also like to know how much more the Pig covers up flaws compared to the AM.
Let em opinions come!
Cheers
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No one?
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No one?
Shame as id be interested to know!
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When I had my C-pig in, I never found it to be really dark sounding in that way. It's bright "enough" on the top. It sounds dense and kind of pushed rather than open like the Aftermath, so the detail won't seem the same but it is there.
I was coaxing some fluid feeling passages out of it with slides, so it's not as start/stoppy as the Aftermath, so it is more forgiving like that.
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the aftermath is pretty dense in my experience
very in-your-face souding, but not open in the mids
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Thanks for the input so far fellas :)
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I found the C-Pig had too much bass for my liking. But that was in a neck through, mahogany bodied 7 string. I loved the output though.
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i think that if i was just jamming at home i would adore the cpig-huge chunk and high output; but i sense that in a band context i would have to radically eq it to cut and sit right-thats why i havent pulled the trigger on one. You shd look into the blackhawk i reckon also, its eq curve looks really cool and ideal for band situations imo (im still tempted...:)
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The C-Pig needs a mid range boost. I found on my 7 string that the bass was over the top on the bottom string, tuned to B (440 scale), but anything on the top 6 sounded great. Power chords were epic!
I'd email the guys at BKP and let them know and see what they come up with. Let them know what woods the guitar is and they will be a massive help.
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Witeter: that was exactly what I was thinking, it may sound a bit decadent, but I guess I will get both, the Pig should be a joy to jam at home whilst the Aftermath should provide the cut for live situations :P
@Dr. Pain: I did my research already and have settled down on one of these two, no need to send an E-Mail :)
I will report back as soon as I make up my mind and get the new pickup
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the alnico pig cuts deep with a tube screamer type od
I don't see why the the c-pig wouldn't
I honestly find that sort of labeling quite bullshiteety
"oh the aftermath is good for 2 guitars bands and the miracle man isn't that good"
it all depends on EVERYTHING (guitars, pedals, amps, amp settings, tubes, cabs/speakers, style, actual playing, how the songs are put together)
I've never heard any BKP that doesn't cut well in a proper guitar and amp
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I honestly find that sort of labeling quite bullshiteeeety
"oh the aftermath is good for 2 guitars bands and the miracle man isn't that good"
it all depends on EVERYTHING (guitars, pedals, amps, amp settings, tubes, cabs/speakers, style, actual playing, how the songs are put together)
I fully agree. It also depends very much on the band you play in. Three other musicians around you can make such a noise that you cannot cut through with anything. I played in a band once where the only guitar I could cut through with was a super bright Telecaster with a Joe Barden bridge pickup - ouch. That was bright enough to sterilise all small animals within 100 feet. In the last band I played I could be heard regardless of which guitar I used.
Cheers Stephan
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Don't get me wrong, but I like to be heard live, so that's an important thing for me. I should also mention that I'm tuned to E-Flat, so the "low tuning bonus" the AM has isn't important to me.
Cheers
I found that the AM sounded best in Eb. I couldn't stand it in lower tunings at all it sounded too weak imho.
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Don't get me wrong, but I like to be heard live, so that's an important thing for me. I should also mention that I'm tuned to E-Flat, so the "low tuning bonus" the AM has isn't important to me.
Cheers
I found that the AM sounded best in Eb. I couldn't stand it in lower tunings at all it sounded too weak imho.
Really? Periphery's last record was recorded with Aftermath equipped guitars for all rhythm if i'm not mistaken, they play on Drop G# on 7 strings and had some stuff on a standard tuned 8 string, probably with aftermaths as well.
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Yes i think everything is relative to everything else; BUT if a pickup is designed to accentuate low frequencies for example then some eqing will probably be needed when in a band situation- not always, but most probably. At the end of the day the guitar lives in the mid frequency range. This of course is only my opinion.
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Yes i think everything is relative to everything else; BUT if a pickup is designed to accentuate low frequencies for example then some eqing will probably be needed when in a band situation- not always, but most probably. At the end of the day the guitar lives in the mid frequency range. This of course is only my opinion.
that would only be a problem if we were playing straight to a eq-less power amp :D
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Yeah defo; just trying to add to the discussion,etc-have read about players experiences for example regarding the warpig that even with bass on 0 it was hard to get rid of the overwhelming bassiness of the pickup. Of course this depends on the amp, and in no way im saying that its useless for live, but for my uses anyways and in the band i play in it just wouldnt work :-)
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Don't get me wrong, but I like to be heard live, so that's an important thing for me. I should also mention that I'm tuned to E-Flat, so the "low tuning bonus" the AM has isn't important to me.
Cheers
I found that the AM sounded best in Eb. I couldn't stand it in lower tunings at all it sounded too weak imho.
Really? Periphery's last record was recorded with Aftermath equipped guitars for all rhythm if i'm not mistaken, they play on Drop G# on 7 strings and had some stuff on a standard tuned 8 string, probably with aftermaths as well.
THis is just my opinion. And also you have to remember they were recorded using a modeller. Modellers sound extremely different to amps in how they handle the frequencies. And it is also mixed to a high standard too.
I personally found it too thin and abrasive in lower tunings.
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Also take that with a pinch of salt as i also hate V30s as i find them abrasive also but most people love them.
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saying a pickup doesn't cut is only valid when comparing to another pickup in the same guitar, in the exact same conditions
one must always try to get the best sound for whatever he has in hands
I could say a holy diver doesn't cut in a Gibson SG, but that's compared to the same pickup my les paul, or another proper pickup in the same SG, in the same rig and same settings
of course I could make it cut in the band by adjusting the settings, pedals or whatever is needed to make that happen
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Also take that with a pinch of salt as i also hate V30s as i find them abrasive also but most people love them.
From your description I would probably hate the aftermath, now that I listen to BKP's shootouts, the Aftermath always sounds to thin for the kinda sound I go for? What would an equally tight but fuller aftermath with more grind that can still work in a mahogany guitar?
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Also take that with a pinch of salt as i also hate V30s as i find them abrasive also but most people love them.
From your description I would probably hate the aftermath, now that I listen to BKP's shootouts, the Aftermath always sounds to thin for the kinda sound I go for? What would an equally tight but fuller aftermath with more grind that can still work in a mahogany guitar?
Probably the Painkiller.
Cheers Stephan
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Also take that with a pinch of salt as i also hate V30s as i find them abrasive also but most people love them.
From your description I would probably hate the aftermath, now that I listen to BKP's shootouts, the Aftermath always sounds to thin for the kinda sound I go for? What would an equally tight but fuller aftermath with more grind that can still work in a mahogany guitar?
Probably the Painkiller.
Cheers Stephan
I agree entirely with this. Or the miracle man. It's not quite as tight but it's far grindier and more aggressive sounding than both sets of aftermaths I've had across all six of my guitars.
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I found that the AM sounded best in Eb. I couldn't stand it in lower tunings at all it sounded too weak imho.
My 8 string baritone with a low 80 gauge string and an Aftermath bridge through a Dual Rectifier model would disagree.
...Also the Aftermath for some reason has the reputation of being the Periphery pickup - those guys have approximately 8 billion guitars and they all seem to have different pickups in them. In some ways their first album seemed to sound more like the Aftermath to my ears, and that album was recorded before the pickup was released.
On the other hand the Aftermath will tend to put you in the middle of that kind of sound, so while it's not necessarily what they use all the time it does naturally sound like them. But it depends on your amp.
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I found that the AM sounded best in Eb. I couldn't stand it in lower tunings at all it sounded too weak imho.
My 8 string baritone with a low 80 gauge string and an Aftermath bridge through a Dual Rectifier model would disagree.
...Also the Aftermath for some reason has the reputation of being the Periphery pickup - those guys have approximately 8 billion guitars and they all seem to have different pickups in them. In some ways their first album seemed to sound more like the Aftermath to my ears, and that album was recorded before the pickup was released.
On the other hand the Aftermath will tend to put you in the middle of that kind of sound, so while it's not necessarily what they use all the time it does naturally sound like them. But it depends on your amp.
All of their guitars (recording and live) have either aftermaths or blackhawks currently.
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That's interesting. (I wonder what they did with all those pickups...) I do remember Misha saying some time back that he was getting more interested in PAF-type pickups, never heard what came of that.
I guess it still goes to show that you can get as much of the Periphery tone as Periphery does with Rebel Yells, Nailbombs, Holydivers or even Warpigs (like they did) so long as you're playing through an Engl or Diezel (and especially if you're modelling it with an AxeFX).