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Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: GuitarIv on August 12, 2013, 10:19:58 PM
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Cheers guys,
I just watched this movie about the history of Thrash Metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWYQP8lJH00 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWYQP8lJH00)
It basically just gave me goose bumps and reminded me of the days when Thrash was my bible. I love that music, I love to play it, to listen to it and it just has something fundamental and brutal that modern metal lacks.
Anyway, I've been thinking about the sound and riffing in general, which pickups are suited the best for it?
I know the EMG 81 is supposed to be the pickup (at least for the Metallica stuff) but how about passives? I own the Holydiver and the Miracle Man and both "thrash" in their own respective ways, any other suggestions? I heard people praise the Nailbomb for fast riffing, how about other manufacturers? Some insight would be appreciated, cheers!
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I have that DVD, pretty cool yeah?
I don't know about the C-Bomb, but for the A-Bomb the main bands from that era that it suits are not really the 'bay area' sound associated with Metallica, but more likely to suit Sepultura and Possessed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm92Aan8KEk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm92Aan8KEk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0krreagQlyE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0krreagQlyE)
For Metallica etc I would tend toward the Miracle Man, from what I've heard of it on videos.
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For 80's metal riffage the nailbomb is king. It also has an aggressive blues/metal solo vibe like Kirk Hammett on the black album. It does 80's rock and metal in general well too like extreme and van halen. My only fault with the alnico nailbomb is pinch harmonics aren't as easy as most other pickups but that's modern metal not thrash metal to be fair !!!
As you say modern metal has the heaviness but misses the aggression of thrash.
I'm sure you'll be aware of the Seymour Duncan jb that was often used back in the day. I think the Dimebag Darrell Seymour Duncan thrashes well too. I imagine the cold sweat would work well too but I have no personal experience.
Di Marzio have the d-activator and x2n which tend to be used by the newer thrash bands and the thrash bands of old doing more polished stuff.
I cant recommend the nailbomb enough. I contacted Tim as per my bye bye black hawk thread and he pretty much pointed me in the direction of the ceramic nailbomb as opposed to alnico I have. He said other than that to consider the miracle man. I think it just works perfectly with my style and amp and should be happy ive found some thing that works perfectly rather than always perving on new gear!
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Yeah the bay area sound is very 'scooped' so I imagine (just looking at the frequency information on the BKP site) that many of the more scooped hotter ceramic pickups would suit, e.g. C-Bomb, Cold Sweat, Miracle Man. Of course the construction of the guitar is also a factor.
Some of the bands like Sepultura, Possessed, and early Exodus have more mids and I think the A-Bomb is good for those. Same goes for some of the European thrash of the time, e.g., Destruction.
Old school death metal bands like Autopsy maybe try the Miracle Man or one of the Warpigs.
I think the MM would be a good all-rounder for most '80s thrash and death metal, and of course you can get Ozzy etc out of it too. Actually I'd be surprised if that MM/Sinner guitar you have isn't perfect for it.
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The best pick up's I have for thrash atm are the EMG Hetfields but my Les Paul with it's classic 57's does ok too. Hard to go past an 81 though as a lot of them are used. I remember from magazines back in the late 80's of seeing Kerry King using an ESP V and it had the stock ESP-EMG pick up's in it but I don't know what model they were. Dave Mustaine used JB's for a long time before his current live wire. Dimebag used Bill Lawrence hot rails for a long time. Something a bit different, Chuck Schuldiner used a DiMarzio X2N and I think that they could do thrash well. Chuck did take thrash to death metal so anything he used would do well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rBJK-k3vPE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rBJK-k3vPE)
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I cant see why the vhii, aftermath, black hawk, painkiller couldn't be thrown in either to be fair.
I know chris Broderick used the nailbomb but mainly used cold sweat bridges and hes the only pro 'thrashy' guitarist I know of who has used bkp's which makes it harder.
I didn't know chuck used the x2n. Its all over the bonded by blood exile to earth album too very cool guitar tones on that.
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AO: It's a very cool documentation in deed. I love movies about music in this fashion :)
Actually the Miracle Man does Thrash very well, especially considering the scooped sound you mentioned and everyone thinks of when talking Thrash. I guess it also depends a lot on the amp you're playing, as far as I know the early Kill em All Metallica was done on JCM 800s with a boost in front of the amp and Cabs that utilized G12T-75 Speakers, hence resulting in boosted and trebly highs and lots of lows. I even remember that Hetfield used a Duncan Invader in his white Flying V before moving on to EMGs.
Jimmy: as far as Thrash goes my reference for the most "modern" tone I like to go for is everything up until somewhere till the ...and Justice for All album (which is the sterile EMG sound) hence everything till somewhere around 1987. I'm not really a fan of 90's metal, that was the thing that always has put me off from getting a Nailbomb. The same goes for the Bill Lawrence L-500XL and the solid state sound by Dime. Not so much my cup of tea.
Regarding the JB I found the Holydiver to be a better version of it, therefor my comment about the MM and the HD both being able to thrash, just executing it in a different way. Whereas the HD is more the early 80's the Miracle Man suits the mentioned later sounds better...
Dr. Pain: I love Death and although their sound is characteristic, it's not what I use. However fellow forum member Toe-Knee did a great sounding Crystal Mountain clip with a Painkiller and I own the pickup, so I'm all good to go if I want to: https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=30325.0
I know Chuck used the X2N in his custom B.C. Rich Stealth, but I never tried DiMarzios and I'm not really tempted either. However Revocation, one of my favourite Modern Thrash Metal Bands uses D-Activators so their certainly has to be something about those pickups that works :P
I cant see why the vhii, aftermath, black hawk, painkiller couldn't be thrown in either to be fair.
I do think those would work, but having more emphasis on the mids it's not what people might connect with Thrash.
So to sum everything up: we have the JB, the EMG 81, the X2N, the D-Activators, the L-500XL and from BKP the HD, the MM, the C-Bomb (and the Cold Sweat?)
Keep em opinions coming, cheers
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the cold sweat does a great vulgar display of power type of tone
not really an early 80's thrash tone, though, but it works for that too
chunky low end, not much mids and a focused and bright top
the lead tone and harmonics sound very panterish
you might the miracle man already does that, but you'd be surprised
I'd still go for extra aggression of a c-bomb or painkiller, though
but the alnico nailbomb into a sd-1 boosted jcm 800 is instant old school thrash
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To me the most important thing tonally in thrash metal is for it to be raw, aggressive, dry, and not necessarily super heavy. That's actually why I love old thrash metal so much. A lot of new bands and heavier subgenres of metal sound too polished and over produced, and while they may be heavier they actually sound less angry, aggressive and IMO less genuine and convincing. Also, it doesn't necessarily matter if the tone is scooped or not (slayer, megadeth, and anthrax were all very middy (and that's 3 of the big 4))
For my tastes, most BKP's aren't raw enough for thrash metal. Out of the pickups I've tried, for thrash metal my favorites are the EMG-81, Motor City Detroiter (I'm sure other Motor City Pickups would be equally awesome, but sadly I haven't tried them yet), and the Entwistle HDN. I also really like for the thrash my Miracle Man and Sinner, but I have feeling the nailbomb or vhii would be better.
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Also, it doesn't necessarily matter if the tone is scooped or not (slayer, megadeth, and anthrax were all very middy (and that's 3 of the big 4))
Agreed. If you listen to Megadeth you cant honestly you say they have scooped tones. Slayer have always said they've boosted their mids and I don't see how any one could listen to the reign in blood album and imagine that its any thing but boosted mids.
I cant agree that the nailbomb is 90's metal either whatever that is? Alice in chains, fear factory, pantera, cradle of filth, korn? Metal was a dirty word in the 90's. Only pantera did well sticking to the old school values every other band carved out a new sound and as eric said id imagine to cold sweat to do a better pantera tone than any thing else from the bkp range. Pantera had elements of thrash and I think sepultura were only good when they were ripping off slayer so I cant even put them into 90s metal properly.
80's metal rules the best thing to come out of the 90's for new mainsteam bands were fear factory and alice in chains off the top of my head you had to look to less known bands or prog metal in the 90's to listen to cool up and coming metal.
Thrash has changed from being dominated by marshall jcm800's in the 80's to some bands going off in other directions with gear etc but not all and its cool to listen to testament and megadeth producing newer albums with andy sneap and making them more polished and all bands like bonded by blood and havok with polished production. I like it all.
If youre picking from the BKP range its obvious which they market as the 'thrash pickup' but you could use many and I could imagine using the aftermath, black hawk, vhii and painkiller and also the miracle man depends on your amp and influences tho I guess.
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90's metal was pretty good but it was changing. 3 good ones here and there were more about. At The Gates - Slaughter of the Soul is one of the best metal albums ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmnZWhYYMYY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmnZWhYYMYY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF0U77bm9mc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF0U77bm9mc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gVb1sM0Bqc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gVb1sM0Bqc)
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There was some great 90's metal no doubt about it death metal had a strong underground following, lots of Scandinavian metal and all the different genres which came out of it and the bands you've mentioned below, progressive metal really took off and theneven industrial metal. I love the 80s and the 90s metal scenes but when you say the 80s it was as if all the metal sub genres were linked or played off each most people can instantly visualize 80s metal. Priest, Maiden, Metallica and hair metal.
The 90s metal scene is a lot harder to define imo it just went off in all directions and came out with more sub genres. It seemed as if the Gods of metal had lost something they could never find again from the 80's.
Then you got to the 00's and every thing had 'core' on the end and people seem to think lamb of god aren't just a poor mans pantera.
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Nailbomb is good for S.O.D. - Scott Ian has a more middy sound. There were a lot of bands at that time who did not have that dry, scooped Metallica sound. There were some clones in SF around '86-'88 trying to get that scooped sound just as there were a lot of death metal bands in Tampa with the Morrisound thing after Obituary and lots of bands in Sweden in '89-'91 with the Sunlight sound.
The big four each had their distinctive sound.
Personally I've always hated Metallica's sound besides on Kill 'Em All, but that's just personal preference. My favourites out of the American 'big 4' were Slayer and Anthrax, but I was more into European stuff like Sodom, Destruction, Kreator, and Celtic Frost.
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The 90's was like a shotgun blast, still metal but lots and lots of different genres as you said. I guess it was bound to happen but I didn't expect the way it did happen. It's all Metallica's fault! At the start of something good then that bloody black album killed it. That said I still play a lot of their songs off Puppets. :)
But I'm glad two really big bands from the 80's found they way again in Slayer and Kreator. The past few Kreator albums have been really good.
It's still good and it's interesting where it has gone. Good range and choice of pick up's too to get a good thrash sound. The blackouts in my 7 string do a good job with thrash.
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In the early 80's US thrash bands it was easier to pin the sounds down.
Marshall jcm800 with rat and tubescreamer pedals and emg 81's or Duncan jb/59's.
If you deviate from that youre going away from the sounds of the times.
Slayer have always stuck to their musical style and always kept faithful to emg's and jcm800's.
Mustaine has stayed true to the to the jcm800's and swapped from jb's to active duncans and no massive change.
Bands like Testament and Metallica has changed all sorts playing with boogie's, peaveys, diezels, Buddha amps and even using les pauls often and when you see them live and they play the classics it still feel right.
I think we all get caught up in this gear stuff and rightly so but at times we're no different to posh folk sniffing wine corks haha!
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Whilst i love the 80s tones my all time favourite thrash tones are from exodus especially on the re-recording of bonded by blood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfYieHgGpMU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfYieHgGpMU)
I found if you want to go in this direction nothing does it better than EMGS the next best thing being the entwistle HDN followed closely by the Aftermath
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I found if you want to go in this direction nothing does it better than EMGS the next best thing being the entwistle HDN followed closely by the Aftermath
The aftermath was the first pickup to capture my attention when first looking at bkp's but to my mind the bridge sounds like a passive poor mans emg :x so went against it and looked for some thing different.
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I found if you want to go in this direction nothing does it better than EMGS the next best thing being the entwistle HDN followed closely by the Aftermath
The aftermath was the first pickup to capture my attention when first looking at bkp's but to my mind the bridge sounds like a passive poor mans emg :x so went against it and looked for some thing different.
Haha thats quite an apt description. It does come into its own though and is a lot more versatile than people think. I kinda miss mine.
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I found if you want to go in this direction nothing does it better than EMGS the next best thing being the entwistle HDN followed closely by the Aftermath
The aftermath was the first pickup to capture my attention when first looking at bkp's but to my mind the bridge sounds like a passive poor mans emg :x so went against it and looked for some thing different.
If I may ask, what kind of guitar did you put it in?
I have a set I tried in a LP type and the increased midrange of the scale and wood was way too much with the midrange on the AM. Stockholm / Supermassive set fixed that nicely though.
As soon as I do get an axe that is at least fender scale or even better baritone and with wood which is not overly mid heavy these will go back in as there they can really do incredible work.
Would love to load a baritone with these and play In Flames.
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As I think about it one of the strangest recommendations I've seen on these forums attributed to Tim was an Aftermath set for a Gibson SG. To my mind that would just turn out incredibly middy, even if it had all the usual AM characteristics (dry, tight, etc). I wonder if anyone has actually done it. I would think that in a Les Paul any pickup would come out sounding less middy than when in an SG
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I found if you want to go in this direction nothing does it better than EMGS the next best thing being the entwistle HDN followed closely by the Aftermath
The aftermath was the first pickup to capture my attention when first looking at bkp's but to my mind the bridge sounds like a passive poor mans emg :x so went against it and looked for some thing different.
If I may ask, what kind of guitar did you put it in?
I have a set I tried in a LP type and the increased midrange of the scale and wood was way too much with the midrange on the AM. Stockholm / Supermassive set fixed that nicely though.
As soon as I do get an axe that is at least fender scale or even better baritone and with wood which is not overly mid heavy these will go back in as there they can really do incredible work.
Would love to load a baritone with these and play In Flames.
An alder super strat. The tightness is supposed to be the strong point of the aftermath but nothings tighter than and emg. The neck pickup however sounds cool when misha monsoor describes it as being a cross between an les paul and petrucci's tone but I aint tried it I am happy with the cold sweat though
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The aftermath was the first pickup to capture my attention when first looking at bkp's but to my mind the bridge sounds like a passive poor mans emg :x so went against it and looked for some thing different.
Did you try an Aftermath, or are you just talking about an impression from clips? Besides the fact that the Aftermath is more expensive, I don't see how the Aftermath would seem like a cheaper version of an EMG, they seem pretty different to me. The Blackhawk is supposed to be the passive alternative to an EMG 81 I thought.
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Holy Diver, Nailbomb and Miracle Man sound like the obvious choices for me. Old school thrash needs a bit of looseness to sound proper and have some groove.
I was listening to The Haunted (the first album) today and thought that they're really thrashy (great album), but their sound is very dry, almost too dry, and maybe a bit too much death metal.
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The aftermath was the first pickup to capture my attention when first looking at bkp's but to my mind the bridge sounds like a passive poor mans emg :x so went against it and looked for some thing different.
Did you try an Aftermath, or are you just talking about an impression from clips? Besides the fact that the Aftermath is more expensive, I don't see how the Aftermath would seem like a cheaper version of an EMG, they seem pretty different to me. The Blackhawk is supposed to be the passive alternative to an EMG 81 I thought.
Well youre right in that BKP have said that the black hawk is meant to be like a passive 'active emg but better' but in fairness you could say the same of the miracle man as there must be some similar characteristics to an active emg in there to get a zakk wylde type tone.
Im not saying the aftermath is trying to be an emg but it seems the big selling point of the aftermath is the 'fast bass response'. Now if people prefer the aftermath to emg's then fine its all down to taste but its simply a fact that emg's will have a faster bass response than any passive pickup. I prefer emg's to the aftermath but there are bkp's that I prefer to emg's and any other pickups based on my experience thus far from other manufacturers.
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The Aftermath isn't just a low end that responds quickly, its character is pretty unique. I guess I just don't get lumping in every pickup that's tight in a "fake EMG" category.
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The Aftermath isn't just a low end that responds quickly, its character is pretty unique. I guess I just don't get lumping in every pickup that's tight in a "fake EMG" category.
It's inevitable as the EMG81 is the benchmark for tightness and if anything is marketed as being tight or the tightest pickup on the market as the AM was hyped to be it will be compared and people will realise it's not as tight and dismiss it as a poor imitator of that specific quality
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The Aftermath isn't just a low end that responds quickly, its character is pretty unique. I guess I just don't get lumping in every pickup that's tight in a "fake EMG" category.
It's inevitable as the EMG81 is the benchmark for tightness and if anything is marketed as being tight or the tightest pickup on the market as the AM was hyped to be it will be compared and people will realise it's not as tight and dismiss it as a poor imitator of that specific quality
The way I always saw it it was not advertised as the tightest PU, but rather the tightest passive PU. To dismiss it as a poor imitator to me is also not a good way of saying it. That would make every PU a poor imitator of the EMG tighness, which is just not something fair to say. It puts the PU down despite all the other qualitys and additionally it is not that it does a poor job on the tightness, for a passive it is pretty darn great, too much for a lot of people.
Trying to find an analogy here I might say you are putting down a regular car for for being advertised as environment friendly cause it uses little fuel and has good filtering, putting out far less harmfull stuff than every other mass produced car. Now you are calling it a poor imitator cause there are electric cars.
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The Aftermath isn't just a low end that responds quickly, its character is pretty unique. I guess I just don't get lumping in every pickup that's tight in a "fake EMG" category.
It's inevitable as the EMG81 is the benchmark for tightness and if anything is marketed as being tight or the tightest pickup on the market as the AM was hyped to be it will be compared and people will realise it's not as tight and dismiss it as a poor imitator of that specific quality
The way I always saw it it was not advertised as the tightest PU, but rather the tightest passive PU. To dismiss it as a poor imitator to me is also not a good way of saying it. That would make every PU a poor imitator of the EMG tighness, which is just not something fair to say. It puts the PU down despite all the other qualitys and additionally it is not that it does a poor job on the tightness, for a passive it is pretty darn great, too much for a lot of people.
Trying to find an analogy here I might say you are putting down a regular car for for being advertised as environment friendly cause it uses little fuel and has good filtering, putting out far less harmfull stuff than every other mass produced car. Now you are calling it a poor imitator cause there are electric cars.
I never said it was a poor imitator of an emg81. I said that specific quality is a poor imitation if you are looking for tightness.
I also never said it was advertised as the tightest pickup on the market but it was hyped as the tightest. Bad wording on my part there.
And to many the car analogy would actually be seen as poor imitation.
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The Aftermath isn't just a low end that responds quickly, its character is pretty unique. I guess I just don't get lumping in every pickup that's tight in a "fake EMG" category.
It's inevitable as the EMG81 is the benchmark for tightness and if anything is marketed as being tight or the tightest pickup on the market as the AM was hyped to be it will be compared and people will realise it's not as tight and dismiss it as a poor imitator of that specific quality
The way I always saw it it was not advertised as the tightest PU, but rather the tightest passive PU. To dismiss it as a poor imitator to me is also not a good way of saying it. That would make every PU a poor imitator of the EMG tighness, which is just not something fair to say. It puts the PU down despite all the other qualitys and additionally it is not that it does a poor job on the tightness, for a passive it is pretty darn great, too much for a lot of people.
Trying to find an analogy here I might say you are putting down a regular car for for being advertised as environment friendly cause it uses little fuel and has good filtering, putting out far less harmfull stuff than every other mass produced car. Now you are calling it a poor imitator cause there are electric cars.
I never said it was a poor imitator of an emg81. I said that specific quality is a poor imitation if you are looking for tightness.
I also never said it was advertised as the tightest pickup on the market but it was hyped as the tightest. Bad wording on my part there.
And to many the car analogy would actually be seen as poor imitation.
Also bad wording on my side, I was not meaning to say it is a poor imitation of the EMG all in all, I also was just talking about the tightness.
On the car things I would not call it an imitation as it is getting out more than anything else from a technique. That it is surpassed in that quality by a newer technique does not make it an imitation, as it was there before and is just optimizing.
Same with the PUs, the passive was there before the active. Just because someone is optimizing the older form does not mean he is imitating the newer form. To me that makes little sense.
By the same logic I think you could say (trying to push it to the extreme) realistic paintings are a poor imitation of photographs.
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By the same logic I think you could say (trying to push it to the extreme) realistic paintings are a poor imitation of photographs.
I view that the other way around. A photograph is a poor mans imitation of a fine painting. Anyone can take a photograph but only an extremly accomplished artist can create a work of art that is considered a fine painting. I know that many peoples opinion on this differ but that is all it is an opinion.
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By the same logic I think you could say (trying to push it to the extreme) realistic paintings are a poor imitation of photographs.
I view that the other way around. A photograph is a poor mans imitation of a fine painting. Anyone can take a photograph but only an extremly accomplished artist can create a work of art that is considered a fine painting. I know that many peoples opinion on this differ but that is all it is an opinion.
That is also why I added in realistic painting, one which tries to capture reality as it is, making the comparison a bit fairer. Of course there is much room of discussion here.
The point I was trying to make was that saying A is a poor imitation of B although B was developed later and is based on A is not too logical to me.
Horsecarriages are not poor imitations of steam engine cars and steam engine cars are not poor imitations of combustion engines. It does not work that way around.
Therefore to say the AM imitates the EMG tighness is to me unfair to say, as one is passive and one active.
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Aside from the wild analogies going around here, if you think an Aftermath is a poor imitation of an EMG simply because it's not one, then I guess your choice is to get an EMG.
I still can't see anyone getting an Aftermath wanting a tight pickup and coming away disappointed. These pickups all have their own characters and if you want tightness and the character of an EMG then congratulations, there are millions of them on the market so they're easy to get and your choice is clear. But if you want a dry, angry pickup with lots of mids and an abrasive crunch, then in that light an EMG is going to seem like a poor man's Aftermath.
It just seems like an arbitrary standard and it sounds like you haven't actually tried an Aftermath if you think an EMG is so obvious a comparison that you would rule it out for that reason alone.
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Aside from the wild analogies going around here, if you think an Aftermath is a poor imitation of an EMG simply because it's not one, then I guess your choice is to get an EMG.
I still can't see anyone getting an Aftermath wanting a tight pickup and coming away disappointed. These pickups all have their own characters and if you want tightness and the character of an EMG then congratulations, there are millions of them on the market so they're easy to get and your choice is clear. But if you want a dry, angry pickup with lots of mids and an abrasive crunch, then in that light an EMG is going to seem like a poor man's Aftermath.
It just seems like an arbitrary standard and it sounds like you haven't actually tried an Aftermath if you think an EMG is so obvious a comparison that you would rule it out for that reason alone.
I used the aftermath for year or so and have since had another set. I never said it was bad just for me it wasn't cutting the mustard so to speak.
I am actually thinking of getting another set now that I don't just have one guitar.
My main issue with it was that I found i needed to use an overdrive to get it as tight and cutting as an 81. Where the aftermath sounded great on recordings in a band setting it just didnt cut enough for me.
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Aside from the wild analogies going around here, if you think an Aftermath is a poor imitation of an EMG simply because it's not one, then I guess your choice is to get an EMG.
I still can't see anyone getting an Aftermath wanting a tight pickup and coming away disappointed. These pickups all have their own characters and if you want tightness and the character of an EMG then congratulations, there are millions of them on the market so they're easy to get and your choice is clear. But if you want a dry, angry pickup with lots of mids and an abrasive crunch, then in that light an EMG is going to seem like a poor man's Aftermath.
It just seems like an arbitrary standard and it sounds like you haven't actually tried an Aftermath if you think an EMG is so obvious a comparison that you would rule it out for that reason alone.
Its compressed and its mentions several times about the fast bass response almost as if its a/the main selling point. I can get compression and tighter bass response from emg well so could any one but any way that's all im saying so to me MEEEEEEEE not you its a poor mans emg and emg's sound more alive they have more precense and theyre both blatantly aimed at metallers. In fairness it was a tongue in cheek comment I didn't expect any one to get their knickers in a twist and take it so seriously so my sincerest apolgies if my comments offended your eyes in any way I don't intend to get into some sort of debate about this.
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I was always a fan of Armoured Angel's sound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGsZRYn338A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGsZRYn338A)
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Aside from the wild analogies going around here, if you think an Aftermath is a poor imitation of an EMG simply because it's not one, then I guess your choice is to get an EMG.
I still can't see anyone getting an Aftermath wanting a tight pickup and coming away disappointed. These pickups all have their own characters and if you want tightness and the character of an EMG then congratulations, there are millions of them on the market so they're easy to get and your choice is clear. But if you want a dry, angry pickup with lots of mids and an abrasive crunch, then in that light an EMG is going to seem like a poor man's Aftermath.
It just seems like an arbitrary standard and it sounds like you haven't actually tried an Aftermath if you think an EMG is so obvious a comparison that you would rule it out for that reason alone.
Its compressed and its mentions several times about the fast bass response almost as if its a/the main selling point. I can get compression and tighter bass response from emg well so could any one but any way that's all im saying so to me MEEEEEEEE not you its a poor mans emg and emg's sound more alive they have more precense and theyre both blatantly aimed at metallers. In fairness it was a tongue in cheek comment I didn't expect any one to get their knickers in a twist and take it so seriously so my sincerest apolgies if my comments offended your eyes in any way I don't intend to get into some sort of debate about this.
I don't find the Aftermath nearly as compressed as most actives anyway, and you're talking about the blurb on the company's website, not your own sense of its sound. So any pickup billed by any company as being tight automatically becomes a poverty-stricken EMG, even if it sounds different and costs more? You say it was a tongue in cheek comment but you keep repeating it, so it sounds like you've been sticking to it.
I'm not offended - I'm just confused as to where this rule begins and ends. I hear the Nailbomb is pretty tight, does that mean you wouldn't consider it because that would make it an EMG? What about the Painkiller, or even something like the Rebel Yell or the Emerald? I just don't understand the reasoning to rule out the Aftermath, and nothing else, because its tightness automatically makes it a version of some other pickup. There are other tight pickups, does that mean you would only pick a loose one? :|
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Aside from the wild analogies going around here, if you think an Aftermath is a poor imitation of an EMG simply because it's not one, then I guess your choice is to get an EMG.
I still can't see anyone getting an Aftermath wanting a tight pickup and coming away disappointed. These pickups all have their own characters and if you want tightness and the character of an EMG then congratulations, there are millions of them on the market so they're easy to get and your choice is clear. But if you want a dry, angry pickup with lots of mids and an abrasive crunch, then in that light an EMG is going to seem like a poor man's Aftermath.
It just seems like an arbitrary standard and it sounds like you haven't actually tried an Aftermath if you think an EMG is so obvious a comparison that you would rule it out for that reason alone.
Its compressed and its mentions several times about the fast bass response almost as if its a/the main selling point. I can get compression and tighter bass response from emg well so could any one but any way that's all im saying so to me MEEEEEEEE not you its a poor mans emg and emg's sound more alive they have more precense and theyre both blatantly aimed at metallers. In fairness it was a tongue in cheek comment I didn't expect any one to get their knickers in a twist and take it so seriously so my sincerest apolgies if my comments offended your eyes in any way I don't intend to get into some sort of debate about this.
I don't find the Aftermath nearly as compressed as most actives anyway, and you're talking about the blurb on the company's website, not your own sense of its sound. So any pickup billed by any company as being tight automatically becomes a poverty-stricken EMG, even if it sounds different and costs more? You say it was a tongue in cheek comment but you keep repeating it, so it sounds like you've been sticking to it.
I'm not offended - I'm just confused as to where this rule begins and ends. I hear the Nailbomb is pretty tight, does that mean you wouldn't consider it because that would make it an EMG? What about the Painkiller, or even something like the Rebel Yell or the Emerald? I just don't understand the reasoning to rule out the Aftermath, and nothing else, because its tightness automatically makes it a version of some other pickup. There are other tight pickups, does that mean you would only pick a loose one? :|
Sorry your honour for a second there I forgot this was a court of law.
In all seriousness I just don't like the aftermath bridge. BKP make several pickups which in my opinion are superior to any thing by other brands that I know of but I think with a pickup such as the aftermath and my playing style I prefer emg in every way. You might not like that if youre a fan of the aftermath but all these things are tools and every one will use them differently.
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It's Friday. Chill, drink some German beer, and listen to this 19 year old ripping it up back in 1984 when thrash was being invented!
Destruction - Sentence Of Death [Full Album] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ9IUFdyVLQ#)
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Just listening right now to this gem:
Exodus-Bonded By Blood (Full Album) 1985 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yIlA9KyCs4#)
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It is indeed a gem. If you can get the special edition CD that came out a few years ago it's worth it. I didn't get the other two they had (the ones after Baloff left), but I probably should have. I used to have the first four albums on vinyl back in '89, but sometime in the '90s they were sold due to lack of funds and room :(
Also if you like this album you might enjoyed Possessed. Check them out if you haven't already. Larry La Londe fron Primus played one of the guitars!
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Not a big fan of Primus but will do so, thanks mate!
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They don't sound a thing like Primus.
At the time of their last EP he was taking lessons from Joe Satriani ... who also produced the EP
Possessed - The Eyes of Horror (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toor_wrbN5U#)
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I didn't mean to say they do, I just wanted to point out I don't really like Primus (although Les Claypool is one hell of a bassist) xD
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La Londe HATES it when people ask him about Possessed!! :D Check out the clip above, it's killer.