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Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: diagrammatiks on August 18, 2017, 03:23:28 PM
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Did someone at the printers leak some info?
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Another djent pickup? Ugh
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Any idea what it might be?
first thing judging by name that came up to my head was some variation of Warpig. Don`t know why but that was my initial thought. Interesting
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There is a Periphery song named Ragnarok.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYbo2BjjZig
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Hmm, perhaps something to do with this?
(http://i.imgur.com/of9sJYW.jpg)
https://www.facebook.com/rabeaafro/photos/a.1133665070071441.1073741833.309700662467890/1215883841849563/
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Nice!
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Bea`s signature pickup? That news made my day big time.
Now Im really excited `cause I`m big fan of Rabea and his tone. His Chapman Tele through Victory Kraken amp sounds amazing, really dig that tone. but he uses some custom pickups in it as far as I know. Bridge is ceramic and in neck single coil.
cant wait
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Nice! I also thought it would be a new periphery sig (new Misha's most likely), but that's pretty sweet. I expect modified warpig also. He uses aftermath in his baritone though...
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Any more news?
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I am all ears...
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I went through that Facebook post, and quite a few people think that it might be another Misha's sig model, but why would Rabea introduce them?
I think that Dojre has amazing sound, hope its something into that direction.
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Perhaps, rather than a signature set, this pickup has been collaboratively designed with several different guitarists in the world of Modern Metal? Would be pretty interesting, if so...
Or, the Misha and Bea posts are completely unrelated
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on Rabea`s Facebook page there was another post about this model saying that the video will be available soon.
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It's the new Rabea model. Cool!
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Anyone knows when it's gonna be out? Can't wait anymore ;).
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Anyone knows when it's gonna be out? Can't wait anymore ;).
It's been nearly a month since first post appeared on Facebook, and still no sign of new model
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Anyone wanna place bets? :P I think it will have ceramic magnet, DCR of around 15-18k, quite smooth top end and quite some low end. That's what I'm expecting at least ;).
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I bet it will be a much feared and yearned for by Vikings
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I hope we don't have to wait until the Thor movie to get some real intel
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I bet it will be a much feared and yearned for by Vikings
hopefully it will (ragna) rock!
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Appears as if Rick Graham has a set as well
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Appears as if Rick Graham has a set as well
How do you know?
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Appears as if Rick Graham has a set as well
How do you know?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BY20jptgW6M/?taken-by=rickgraham
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Seems pretty likely since they'll be a new model.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmRTlIX8y2g
Announcement of the announcement of the ragnarok set
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I called it as yet another Periphery pickup ...
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Oh Geez. Moar Djent-pickups? I'm very curious to see what they are up to anyhow.
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I called it as yet another Periphery pickup ...
good job on that, i was hoping it wouldn't be but you are spot on.
i'd rather they released something like the A5 Mule as an official option instead of more Djent pickups.
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Nice. Hope it's nolly sig...
I don't think there are too many "djent" pickups in the range... we could certainly use one more :huh:.
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I think the Aftermath was Periphery endorsed when it came out (they said many good things about it anyway), now there is the Juggernaut also, plus the Impulse.
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I guess if BKP makes money from this type of pickup, fair enough. Though I think many of us were hoping for something a bit different.
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Couldn't watch the video, can someone give me the short version? Any specs?
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Couldn't watch the video, can someone give me the short version? Any specs?
they just say they're working on something new and exciting at BKP
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHJiDFqMjx8
new video and some more details. Seems to be Juggernaut`s brother but much higher output, less versatile (?) and mainly focused on overdriven tones.
At the end I suppose there`s a little sneak preview of the sound that can be achieved.
Just remember that Rabea and Rick Graham have sets and will be doing test videos as well, those players are indeed modern players but not djent players, so there`s still a hope that it`s not a total djent kind of thing.
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Nooooo... It's another one for Misha. Based on that, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be ceramic... Can't wait!
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Nooooo... It's another one for Misha. Based on that, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be ceramic... Can't wait!
Yes, Misha. After first news I was really hoping that it`s gonna be Rabea`s model, love his playing as well as that sound through those Victory amps, but still looking forward to it though.
One thing that puts me off a little bit is that very high output and decent cleans (as Tim said), higher output than Warpig??? Hope he meant something around Miracle Man area.
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I doubt it's gonna be higher output than wapig, I'd say about PK or maybe a touch hotter.
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I doubt it's gonna be higher output than wapig, I'd say about PK or maybe a touch hotter.
if they`ll keep it between PK and MM should be great.
I`m really curious about neck though....
I have funny feeling that it`s gonna be released tomorrow, if not... another teasing video tomorrow and release on Thursday.
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Considering they are saying coming soon in those videos, I wouldn't be suprised if it comes out today. Not sure they'll put out anpther video since this one was 5 minutes long already.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHJiDFqMjx8
Tim's part was particularly interesting.
I also like the carbon fibre finish.
Perhaps I will try a set after all.
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I don't have plans to get another guitar and I seriously need it if I want to try the Ragnaroks which appeal to me a lot!
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After seeing the vid with Tim, you can colour me intrigued.
The Miracle Man was probably the most "Fun" pickup I've used, so if the Ragnarok is going for gain+compression+clarity, i'm chucking a set in my 7.
(then i'll just need to get a strat or tele for my non metal moments)
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I just hope it's not another scratchy pickup like the pk and aftermath
Something thick like the miracle Man but with more midrange and a little more top end compression would be cool
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Misha doesn't like pickups that scratchy I think , they're gonna have smooth high end. Pretty sure mids are gonna be pushed.
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I just hope it's not another scratchy pickup like the pk and aftermath
Something thick like the miracle Man but with more midrange and a little more top end compression would be cool
totally agree...
anyway, what about neck model? Any ideas? Hotter Jugg neck or something towards Miracle Man neck?
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My bet is neck pickup will be a little hotter than jugg neck (to compensate for more heat in the bridge) and will still have PAFish voicing.
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The demo sounds sick but I am not so big on a less 'versatile' pickup. I like to cover a lot of range in what I do.
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Ragnarok is here, apparently:
Position: Bridge DC Resistance: 19 kΩ Magnet: Ceramic
Position: Neck DC Resistance: 15.8 kΩ Magnet: Ceramic
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The EQ chart kinda reminds me of a DiMarzio Tone Zone - only improved! Definitely has me interested!
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I kinda got the bridge pup right... Wasn't expecting that 16k neck pickup though...
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Official release demo by Misha Mansoor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jle_eqs6ssU&feature=share
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Well, what do you think guys after listening official sound samples on the website?
Once I`ve seen them this morning I could wait to get back home from work and listen to them in peace, but anyway...
It`s my first really quick impression, still waiting on more demos (especially Rabea and Rick) but...
I don`t quite like (based on website clips) the rhythm tone, too much of saturation, just too much of everything a bit in my opinion. I guess it`s hard to tame that pickup especially with loads of gain.
So a little bit disappointing with bridge pickup but...
I must say I really like neck pickup even though it`s ceramic magnet and high output especially for neck models. I both like modern cleans on neck as well as distorted sound in modern metal clip.
what do you think?
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Yeah, I wasn't super impressed either. Seems to have too much heat.
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Yeah, I wasn't super impressed either. Seems to have too much heat.
Don`t get me wrong, my favorite BKP is Miracle Man which I`ve been using mainly either live or studio for a while. MM is 17.5 kΩ but jugging by Ragnarok clips MM is more controllable. And there`s nothing to do with modern voicing at all which I like too, just too much of everything in my opinion. But just wait for more demos to kick in...
I must say I really like neck model, really curious about it though.
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I liked it, but then again I like hot pickups
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I liked it, but then again I like hot pickups
yeah, I kinda like it too
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Don`t get me wrong, my favorite BKP is Miracle Man which I`ve been using mainly either live or studio for a while. MM is 17.5 kΩ but jugging by Ragnarok clips MM is more controllable. And there`s nothing to do with modern voicing at all which I like too, just too much of everything in my opinion. But just wait for more demos to kick in...
I understand just what you mean here.
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I liked it, but then again I like hot pickups
The Classic Rock clip was the one that stood out to me. I like the way the top end has a harmonic sheen like the Rebel Yell. It doesn't have a fizzy top end.
Anyone notice how the bulk of clean examples are with the bridge and neck pickup coil tapped?
The modern metal example sounds better to my ear than the juggernaut modern metal example. But then again, once I got the Juggs in my guitar and I dialed them in, I found an incredible pickup. These will certainly serve a purpose.
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I'm pretty sure though that Ragnarot been calibrated on Misha's Jackson guitar!!
So i think that our boy Ragnar will be more suited for brands like
Jackson, Ibanez and ESP and not to Gibsons!!
It's tempting though to see what the result would be if i install them
to my Midd/Bright LP :evil:
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Has anyone seen any demo of Ragnarok yet? I`m quite surprised that after nearly 3 weeks after premiere there`s not even one demo/review ect on YouTube (apart from Misha and Rabea).
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Hello guys.
I made this video today:
https://youtu.be/B___tTa__qw
:kiss:
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Many thanks, great demo, very useful and informative!
Can you do some soloing as well as clean (full humbucker mode) on the neck one as well please? Doesnt have to any long shredding just some short pattern please.
What tuning are you in?
Neck pickups seems to be really bass heavy, how would you comment on neck model?
thanks
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Thank You Lucas.
Here you have a few DI files for reamp.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pqw0qb3qitvsg/BKP_RAGNAROK_DI_by_Franq
I play in drop A#
Cheers!
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Many thanks Franq!
What would you say about neck pickup? I`m especially interested in neck model.
Shame that I cannot reamp those tracks.
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Hi all,
I'm new to the forum.
Thought I should hop in as I was looking for somebody like me when purchasing the Rag PUP's when I was scouting through this forum. I really liked the thick lush clean sounds on the audio demo's and though I would give them a try in my Frankenstein guitar.
I play mainly clean amp'd stuff. Like effects and do sessions and play my own music in my band.
I didn't find the pickups too hot and they were exactly what I was looking for to spice up my guitar coming from 'The Mule' PUP's.
They are thick and relatively high but not overly compressed. I have more than enough dynamics. I just finished doing session work on a full country album and used these coil tapped and we're perfect for the job through a Rivera and Jazz Chorus amp!
I may be the only person that's purchased them that hasn't ever heard a periphery song and putting them in a hollow body :)
Will post some audio clips when I get time.
Thanks
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Welcome to the forum!
Hope it works for you because I definitely wouldn't buy them for playing cleans :grin:.
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Welcome to the forum!
Hope it works for you because I definitely wouldn't buy them for playing cleans :grin:.
Really? Have you tried them on clean? I’ve found them awesome for clean stuff and I’d be very surprised that anyone who actually uses them finds them bad for clean sound.
Please post a DI of your guitar as I’d love to hear a bad clean sound from these
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I'm really curious about Ragnarok neck. Still not many demos out there.
How do you find neck model?
Is it overly dark sounding?
Does it have that strong and aggressive picking attack due to its ceramic magnet like Painkiller neck has?
Thanks
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Nope, haven't tried them, I'm just pretty sure I'd prefer something vintagey for cleans.
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I'm really curious about Ragnarok neck. Still not many demos out there.
How do you find neck model?
Is it overly dark sounding?
Does it have that strong and aggressive picking attack due to its ceramic magnet like Painkiller neck has?
Thanks
Here's some clean demo's with some Echoboy + Spring Verb as this is the kind of demo I was looking for! :-)
- Neck
- Bridge
- Neck + Bridge
- Neck Coil Tap
- Bridge Coil Tap
- Neck + Bridge Coil Tap
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And coil taps...
Couldn't attach all to 1 post.
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Nice clean tones man! Bridge pickup has a little too much output IMO, but yeah, good job.
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Thanks. They were through a 'deluxe reverb' model on Axe FX Ultra.
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Yep, I thought so. Bridge would probably clip a little with most tube amps.
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great video there
love to see Tim talking on tape
wish he had played too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI-s_hRYfbY
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Another djent pickup? Ugh
I echo this sentiment. Today is one of many times i've periodically popped back on to this forum in order to check out any new updates on the product. I've been coming on here for ~6 years now, but sadly i've not used any BKP for a couple years. To me, it seems like they are catering to one, very very narrow and specific market, and could care less about doing anything else. Metal with haircuts. Hardcore punk technical-ized, and dressed up as metal. For players with more skill than actual taste. While i still have plenty of love for the BKP products i've used in the past, i've now found different pickups that do a similar thing better. Not because i think their skills as a builder surpasses BKP, but because Bare Knuckle decided not to evolve in that direction past their very first efforts. This is their new direction - this and only this, technical hardcore for the new generation, and i just can't get behind it. Sorry for any perceived negativity or distaste, but i've literally waited years to say this... hoping they might eventually prove me wrong.
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this is hadly just a "djent" voiced pickup
from specs, it seems more like a beefed up miracle man, with more midrange, less top end and definitely more output
I suppose it has the huge 6 mm ceramic magnet like the juggernaut instead of the regular 4 mm bar
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The djent thing people comply so much about is not about the way you play better than about the tone itself?
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hoping they might eventually prove me wrong.
I feel the same way.
The last few releases have really been djent oriented. The pickups might be good for other things, but they were only invented because of the “buy all my signature gear” djent bands who seem to make more money selling gear than music. Nothing wrong with getting your money from elsewhere. But the video from Blub selling his newest pickups feels like a car salesman trying to convince me to buy the most expensive car they have, claiming it will do everything I need like it’s some magic car.
It makes me never want to give that guy my money.
Anyway, regarding them making pickups that aren’t related to some djent band. I asked them if they had any plans to make an Alnico 2 or 4 contemporary pickup. Never got a response. Don’t hold your breath.
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hoping they might eventually prove me wrong.
I feel the same way.
The last few releases have really been djent oriented. The pickups might be good for other things, but they were only invented because of the “buy all my signature gear” djent bands who seem to make more money selling gear than music. Nothing wrong with getting your money from elsewhere. But the video from Blub selling his newest pickups feels like a car salesman trying to convince me to buy the most expensive car they have, claiming it will do everything I need like it’s some magic car.
It makes me never want to give that guy my money.
Right? Did no think i was alone in this sentiment, so firstly - thank you for the response. I realize the idea of preaching dissent isn't popular over here, but like i was saying in that post - i wouldn't expressing such things if i didn't care. If i wasn't a huge fan of these pickups at one time.
Anyway, regarding them making pickups that aren’t related to some djent band. I asked them if they had any plans to make an Alnico 2 or 4 contemporary pickup. Never got a response. Don’t hold your breath.
This is the part that truly bothers me, the part that caused me to speak up. It's that they really don't seem to give a shite about anything else; even responding to perfectly honest questions about the possibility of new (AIV & AII) pickup types. The company i remember used to have a truly excellent connection to their users/fans. I've talked to Tim on numerous occasions, and found he always had great responses to my inquiries. I suppose that non-response is also telling... possibly saying they don't appreciate any questioning towards this very specific and focused direction BKP are going with their pickups. The Djent pickup company one might think, from their last 4-5 new offerings.
Truthfully the experience dealing with them has declined steadily over the years, on a couple different levels. A couple years back i played a large part in getting the guitar store i work at to become a dealer. While the utterly massive initial buy-in wasn't a huge turn-off, i thought it was a little presumptuous, assuming the market was still a bit unknown/untested. But we went for it anyways, assuming we would undoubtedly sell such a popular product. I won't get into the details of how they sold and how long it took us to move them, that's a point to make at a different time... but my distaste began when we tried to order pickup covers, due to customers wanting different options than what was available in the store. Stocking a few different cover types to meet customer needs makes perfect sense, as opposed to making a custom order and waiting 3-5 weeks each time for them to make it to the US. So by this reasoning, i asked about how we could order (noticing the option wasn't listed on the dealer site) a few different sets of covers, we were simply told - "we don't sell covers separate, you have to order them with a pickup". No compromise whatsoever, official dealer or not. At this time i don't think we've made an order since.
So essentially what this says is their product, at least in our market, became 'dead in the water' based on their current offerings. Not because of the quality therein, but because of the choices they've made in managing in their product line, and from what they're chosen to offer dealers in terms of options. Experienced first hand in black and white, from a fan/user enthusiastically intent on selling their product. Take that how you will.
this is hadly just a "djent" voiced pickup
from specs, it seems more like a beefed up miracle man, with more midrange, less top end and definitely more output
I suppose it has the huge 6 mm ceramic magnet like the juggernaut instead of the regular 4 mm bar
Hey Eric, how's it going man. Since you and i have had some seriously informative and in-depth discussions over time i'd like to say that i value your opinion highly, possibly more than anyone else on this forum. Despite that sir, i must respectfully disagree. I think having the audio sample option of "heavy rhythm" very clearly identifies those products as intended for djent use. I respect that any user is free to seek out and find use for pickups in whatever fashion they choose, but surely you could say that fits with everything they sell. Like you could certainly use a Riff Raff or Stormy Monday for djent metal too.... doesn't mean it will necessarily work great, but if it does then cool.
My questioning is not about their application possibilities, but their direction itself. Truthfully and objectively i listed to every Ragnarock clip with an open mind and found that it does not interest me in the least. I've owned/played enough of these (8 or 9 at least) to know what it's going to do, by said comparison to those i've already played/owned. Really, my favorite BKP pickup ever was named after a Led Zepplin song - and i don't think i've ever listened to them (on purpose) a day in my life. I just, personally speaking, do not think i will ever be compelled to buy a pickup voiced for and named after a djent song. And i doubt i'm alone in this sentiment.
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I have one in swamp ash/maple guitar. Its pure death metal with beautiful clean without pierceing higs. Love it.
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hoping they might eventually prove me wrong.
I feel the same way.
The last few releases have really been djent oriented. The pickups might be good for other things, but they were only invented because of the “buy all my signature gear” djent bands who seem to make more money selling gear than music. Nothing wrong with getting your money from elsewhere. But the video from Blub selling his newest pickups feels like a car salesman trying to convince me to buy the most expensive car they have, claiming it will do everything I need like it’s some magic car.
It makes me never want to give that guy my money.
Anyway, regarding them making pickups that aren’t related to some djent band. I asked them if they had any plans to make an Alnico 2 or 4 contemporary pickup. Never got a response. Don’t hold your breath.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Used car salesman! Well yeah, these guys can't make money on records and touring, largely due to the state of the music industry. Like it or not, the internet cut the bottom out of album sales and flavour of the month bands are selling albums in numbers that were befitting of indie bands 20 years ago.
Yeah, mansoor has been cashing in his chips lately and the marketing tactics are a little garish!! I seriously laughed out loud when I heard it.
I've had nothing but great customer service and lots of support from Bare Knuckle Pickups.
RE: covers. They told me that they can only warranty pickups when they wax pot them themselves and they wax pot pickups even when covers are changed. I sent in a Rebel Yell neck pickup and had them put a brushed nickel cover on it.
A friend of mine I referred to them had some issues with support when he was installing pickups, however. I was a bit discouraged to hear this.
RE: Djent pickups. I have juggernauts in a 6 & 7 string super strats and I don't play djent. They're fantastic sounding pickups and I absolutely love the touch sensitivity and versatility. I'm using ibanez style wiring in both guitars with a 0 load tone pot, and the number of tones I can achieve is staggaring.
I find that my main amp can become somewhat compressed under very high levels of gain saturation and I actually had to lower the pickups in my guitars to compensate for this. So, the Ragnaroks are not really an option I'm terribly interested in. I suspect they'd be awesome with brighter and more dynamic amplifiers.