If Ya Can't Even Tune Your Guitar? Tronical PowerTune

[_tom_]

its basically just a more conveniently placed tuner... and most guitarists/people who play guitar, use tuners of some kind. so looking at it that way, the whole "its for lazy people" argument, really isnt relevant.

(again- wasnt solely picking out you TO it was just the first person that came to mind- cause i know you play live e.t.c.     what i said applies to everyone else as well).

Well it is kinda for lazy people, I mean the effort of reaching up to the headstock to tweak some knobs (ooh matron!) isnt exactly much is it :lol:

I personally use an electric stage tuner - Korg DT10 to be precise and see nothing wrong with that, dont really feel the urge to have something do it for me.

[sambo]

haha i guess...

but then you could extend that to the other argument-

using a tuner is just as lazy because using your ears to work out the pitch isnt exactly a great effort is it? lol...

tough one.

[TwilightOdyssey]

how do you tune on stage TO? with an electronic tuner? surely not by ear cause then as chris just said, the audience hears, which isnt really preferable.

I don't tune on stage.  I tune before I get on stage. I use a tuner as a mute.

so i assume you use some sort of tuner? if so... how can you (sorry for singling you out- just making an example), how can you slate this for being able to tune for people when you yourself use a tuner- just in another format?

I'm not knocking the tuner thingy. I think you've misread by post. I said I can see it becoming very popular, and was more lamenting the fact that it will become a selling point over other, more needed, and costly features on a guitar.

I never stated tuners were bad. Tuners are a great tool, so long as you don't use those LEDs or that needle or those moving gears to replace your ears.

I never stated that I don't use a tuner. How would I confirm that I'm +/1 10 cents of true if I don't confirm it with something?

its basically just a more conveniently placed tuner... and most guitarists/people who play guitar, use tuners of some kind. so looking at it that way, the whole "its for lazy people" argument, really isnt relevant.

It's not a convenient tuner. It does the work for you. Once again, I never said it's good or bad. What is bad is that fewer and fewer people have the patience to listen these days.

(again- wasnt solely picking out you TO it was just the first person that came to mind- cause i know you play live e.t.c.     what i said applies to everyone else as well).

No offense taken.

[TwilightOdyssey]

haha i guess...

but then you could extend that to the other argument-

using a tuner is just as lazy because using your ears to work out the pitch isnt exactly a great effort is it? lol...

tough one.

It's not tough. And it's only an argument for those of us polemic enough to make it one. :)

[sambo]

lol woops  :oops:  

my mistake- my post was aimed at the other guys who stated it was perhaps a negative thing then i guess. indeed i forgot the actual content of your original post- just picked your name as it was the one i glimpsed when typing the response.

woopsie daisy!!!



 :oops:


oh and i meant argument as in a fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true, as opposed to argument meaning a quarrel.  :)

[dave_mc]

1 in 10 000 just refers to the # of people "born" with perfect pitch.

That's probably an accurate number. It's a shame that a large percentage of those born with perfect pitch probably aren't even musicicans!

yeah, what is it, about 5% of musicians who are reckoned to have it? it's not too many, that's for sure.

[dave_mc]

I never stated that I don't use a tuner. How would I confirm that I'm +/1 10 cents of true if I don't confirm it with something?

super-duper perfect pitch!

nah, you're right though. I use a tuner, then check with my ears that I'm in tune. Or else just relative-tune by ear if I'm not playing along with something like a cd.

[FELINEGUITARS]

1 in 10 000 just refers to the # of people "born" with perfect pitch.

That's probably an accurate number. It's a shame that a large percentage of those born with perfect pitch probably aren't even musicicans!

It's possibly worse than that - maybe they listen to Britney or Paris Hilton or Boybands

[blue]

i saw a band practice once, many years agone, and i knew they sounded terrible but couldn't work out why.  turned out one guitarist was tuned to E and the other to E flat! :oops:  and it took them three songs to notice!

i think a lot of guitarists start out not putting enough emphasis on being in tune and then that habit stays with them.  i see so many guitarists playing in pubs where i can say straight away, the G string (no jokes Sambo) is out, sometimes the high E, but they play on seemingly oblivious.  the thing is i sometimes do it myself, especially on a certain guitar which, once the strings get a bit old, the G is difficult to get right.  and i do most of my practicing unplugged, half a house away from any of my gear.  

i'm rambling but i do have a point!  i recently got a tuner which clips onto the headstock and tunes by vibration.  it's great!  i generally keep my guitars in tune by ear, but gradually they do seem to tend to end up being a quarter to half tone flat, so for a quick check up, or for the odd troublesome string, this wee tuner's great.  definately my handiest bit or piece!  

i can see applications for the auto tuners;  mid gig or even song changes to open tunings has been mentioned.  but generally i think they're a bit overkill.  has anyone ever seen Richard Thompson?  sitting effortlessly retuning to some open tuning or other while carrying on a conversation!  maybe if they cloned him, and made him tiny we could all carry one in our gig bags, a kind of tuning gnome...