Author Topic: 4 Cable Method - anyone? (Read 5398 times)

hunter · « **on:** October 27, 2007, 02:44:46 PM »

Today I was in experimentation mood and connected my Tonelab for the first time with the 4 cable method, meaning

Guitar in Tonelab
Tonelab Send in Bogner
Bogner Send in Tonelab Return
Tonelab Out in Bogner Return

So like this I can either use the Tonelab models or the Bogner preamp as well as control overall volume and all FX via the Tonelab pedals.

Actually, it's awesome. Though I find myself playing in the Plexi model of the TL more rather than through the Bogner preamp. I have one of the Expression pedals on the Plexi gain and can go all the way from super transparent cleanish to way out dirt - hadn't so much fun in a long time.

Anyone else using a multi pedal with the 4 cable method?

Henk · « **Reply #1 on:** October 27, 2007, 02:58:38 PM »

Real plexi tone is even more fun....

FELINEGUITARS · « **Reply #2 on:** October 27, 2007, 04:05:06 PM »

I have done it with an old Roland GP8 and split channel Marshall years ago - it was great fun

The GP8 did channel switching too - so allowed some Boss pedal type FX in front of the Marshall preamp (either clean or distorted) and then out to the time based FX on the Roland and back into theMarshall power section, and you could switch channels on the amp head via the Midi pedal and control unit

Hell Hound · « **Reply #3 on:** October 28, 2007, 10:12:16 AM »

the 4 cables method doesn't work with the tonelab se (I guess) because its loop is place before everything, even the pedals effects.
So it basicaly means your running the tonelab entirly after the preamp of your amp. I never understood why they did put this loop in the wrong place (as it should be after the amp sims and before the post amp effects), but there's many design weirdness on the TLSE.

hunter · « **Reply #4 on:** October 28, 2007, 01:03:35 PM »

Quote from: Hell Hound

the 4 cables method doesn't work with the tonelab se (I guess) because its loop is place before everything, even the pedals effects.
So it basicaly means your running the tonelab entirly after the preamp of your amp. I never understood why they did put this loop in the wrong place (as it should be after the amp sims and before the post amp effects), but there's many design weirdness on the TLSE.

Well, "doesn't work" is not quite correct, as I can have a patch where I use the amp instead of the internal amp models and switch the head's preamp in and out. Indeed it is before any modelling, which is understandeable for a simple reason: the loop before the signal processing means no additional DA/AD stage. Otherwise they'd have to A/D the signal, then do the stomp box models, then D/A it out of the loop and A/D IT again in the loop as well as D/A again at the end.

It would mean increased cost, reduced signal quality and increased processing delay.