Author Topic: Vintage 30 vs. G12H for an Avatar 1x12 cab (w/ Tiny Terror) (Read 23232 times)

Ted · « **Reply #30 on:** November 02, 2007, 06:20:56 PM »

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Personally, I've only just got a G12H30 (with about 20 hours on it). Lets just say it's still well bright, and I am still patiently waiting for the transformation to occur.
So unless the WV review used a fully broken in speaker, it does not agree with many, many other folks around the globe.

Alan

Yes, I agree with you on this.

When I read that WV review I was set on getting a G12H30.

Then I tried it at the Matamp factory and was not that keen. The Hot 100 sounded best to my ears so I settled on that. It was also "reeet cheap".

Armchair Bronco · « **Reply #31 on:** November 02, 2007, 07:02:53 PM »

Damn it! Now I'm confused again!

Thanks for nuttin'! :x

ailean · « **Reply #32 on:** November 02, 2007, 07:07:19 PM »

Quote from: Armchair Bronco

Damn it! Now I'm confused again!

Thanks for nuttin'! :x

Just buy one of everything, it's the only way to be sure :)

Armchair Bronco · « **Reply #33 on:** November 02, 2007, 07:11:09 PM »

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Just buy one of everything, it's the only way to be sure :)

Hey, here's an idea: :idea:

Maybe I should ask Avatar if, for some extra cash, they'll REALLY break in an aged G12H30. Instead of 15 hours, I'll ask 'em for 150 hours!

It might become a whole new line for 'em. You could even specify what tunes you want them to play while breaking in the speaker. I'd ask for "Highway to Hell", "PoweRage", "Nevermind", Zeppelin I, and "Is This Real?" by The Wipers. 150 hours of some hard-driving Rock 'n Roll and I'll have the best sounding G12H30's on the block!

ailean · « **Reply #34 on:** November 02, 2007, 07:25:04 PM »

Kind of off topic but how many hours would you expect a speaker to last? And since they have a 'running in' period do they also have a 'getting old and saggy' point?

Will · « **Reply #35 on:** November 02, 2007, 07:28:01 PM »

can you not just get an adaptor to just plug in your computer / cd player etc, and break it in by playing music, I'm sure I read of a guy doing it that way, and measured the output his guitar was giving, then adjusted iPod volume to the same and left it turned up

hamfist · « **Reply #36 on:** November 02, 2007, 10:13:49 PM »

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can you not just get an adaptor to just plug in your computer / cd player etc, and break it in by playing music, I'm sure I read of a guy doing it that way, and measured the output his guitar was giving, then adjusted iPod volume to the same and left it turned up

Yes you can, but you will need a power amp of some description to amplify your CD player/ipod first. I do it for a few hours with all my new speakers, until I can bear it no more !!!
I have it on good authority that dance music or rap is one of the best genres to "beat your speakers to a pulp". nice thudding bass is what is apparently good for getting the cones to "age" nicely.
It's not scientific reasoning, but it is good quality hearsay !

Alan

_tom_ · « **Reply #37 on:** November 02, 2007, 10:23:14 PM »

Quote from: Will

can you not just get an adaptor to just plug in your computer / cd player etc, and break it in by playing music, I'm sure I read of a guy doing it that way, and measured the output his guitar was giving, then adjusted iPod volume to the same and left it turned up

I tried that but it was too quiet and just sounded all buzzy. Maybe with a power amp itd work.

HTH AMPS · « **Reply #38 on:** November 02, 2007, 10:48:26 PM »

I definately depends on the volume you play at, but still I wouldn't agree it takes anything like 150 hours.

When I bought some G12H-30s for my Bluesbreaker back in 2001 they were solid in the bass, really snarly in the mids and the treble was pretty angry too, I certainly wouldn't say they were bright. I noticed after a few practices (maybe 20 hours most) that the mids/treble had settled down and become smoother, plus the speaker sounded altogether less stiff.

With the 55Hz bass cone G12M-25s I had in my 4x12, they were the same story - a little harsh at first, but didn't take long for that silky smooth compressed mids/top end to come out.

:twisted:

Armchair Bronco · « **Reply #39 on:** November 07, 2007, 05:36:50 AM »

Well, earlier today I ordered an Avatar 1x12 cab with an 8-ohm G12H30 "Hellatone 30" speaker & finished in orange tolex with a wheat grill. Total bill including shipping was under $230, and it'll ship out tomorrow.

There's no turning back now -- I've gotta get the matching Orange Tiny Terror head to go with this cab.

I really appreciate all the great advice I got along the way.

...Now I'll have to start thinking about upgrading the pups on my short-scale Jagmaster...who knows...maybe something from "Bare Knuckle Pickups"...

hamfist · « **Reply #40 on:** November 07, 2007, 07:24:18 AM »

Congrats AB,
Obviously posting pictures and soundclips will be obligatory, once you've got the whole rig assembled !

Alan

Ted · « **Reply #41 on:** November 07, 2007, 09:04:22 AM »

Quote from: Armchair Bronco

Well, earlier today I ordered an Avatar 1x12 cab with an 8-ohm G12H30 "Hellatone 30" speaker & finished in orange tolex with a wheat grill. Total bill including shipping was under $230, and it'll ship out tomorrow.

There's no turning back now -- I've gotta get the matching Orange Tiny Terror head to go with this cab.

I really appreciate all the great advice I got along the way.

...Now I'll have to start thinking about upgrading the pups on my short-scale Jagmaster...who knows...maybe something from "Bare Knuckle Pickups"...

Awesome Pics are a must!

hunter · « **Reply #42 on:** November 07, 2007, 01:32:02 PM »

After some experimenting with different cab/speaker combinations I am now favouring my Marshall 1x12 with a Vintage 30 and the back converted from closed to 1/3 open (built a new rear cover myself).

It's a great mix of elasticity, punch and clarity.

For 1x12 I don't like them closed, either ported or halfopen is what I prefer.