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Henk

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« on: December 13, 2007, 11:53:06 AM »
Hi all!

Ok ive narrowed it down on the type of strat i am thinking of buying.

Since i do want the real strat feel im going for a Fender strat, MIJ JV or E series, or an 80's USA Fender, or it that fails maybe a 40th anniversary USA strat from '93/'94. The 80's USA strats would cost a little more, especially the early ones still made in the CBS era. As an alternative i have been reading about the quality the early USA standard strat which is supposed to be very good, if not the best, this is a late 80s strat.

The thing that draws me to an USA strat is that they are a bit heavier usually, which i prefer, and they feel a little more rigid/more durable, especially when compared to the MIM strats IMO.

Most of these will be in the 400-500 pound range, that will be my budget. I do think that at this time it would be worthwile to buy an USA made, (if its good) since prices on MIJ strats seem awfully high and there is just so much USA stuff out there up for grabs.

The only thing i didnt decide on is if i can live with the thinner C shape neck of the standards, i am used to the fat gibson necks and the soft V shape necks feel much better to my hands(long thin fingers). On the other hand i think the thinner C's make for a better balance with lighter bodies.

Anyway, maybe someone can add to my 'which neck' decision making, i guess it will be fine after some mental adjusting, but maybe it would just annoy me all the time.

I did think about the 80's '57 reissues which are the guide in my Fender quest tonally, i just love that twang! BUT they cost an arm and a leg over here since there are very little around and those that are offered are mostly messed with too much.

Oh yes, i definately want the maple neck and alder body because i think this will get me the most lively/clear tone. Maybe someone has another opinion on that which i would be glad to hear.

Thanks for reading and your interest in my questing,

Kindest regards, Henk
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 12:06:49 PM »
You don't mention fingerboard radius in your list of specs, and this has a large affect on the feel of the guitar.  The more modern USA Standards have the flatter radius which you may or may not like.

In my opinion, the best value for money and great sounding Strats around today are the Japanese reissue series.  In your budget, I'd go for the '57 reissue with Texas Specials as it has the Alder body you want:

http://www.fenderjapan.co.jp/fender/2007fender/strat/st5778tx.htm

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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 12:17:32 PM »
Made In Japan 1957 Reissue, alder body, maple neck with a maple 'board.

Change the tuners.

Change the pickups.

Revel in the sex appeal.

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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2007, 12:28:21 PM »
Yes i forgot that Twinfan, the C shapes of the standards i mentioned have a 9.5" radius and i think the 57 strats have a 7.25" or so. Gibson has a 12" so the older standards are somewhere in between. The present USA standards strats feel less chunky neckwise, to me that is offcourse. Im not that worried about the neck radius by the way, more about the grip i have on the back of the neck, i am used to the 'gibson necklock grip'(with most of my palm on the back of the neck) and thinner necks you cant grab like that. Its just give alot of stability when running up and down the neck or even changing cords fast.

Discription of the introduction of the standard USA:

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A new Strat was developed in 1986, unveiled to key dealers, and introduced to critical raves at the January 1987 NAMM trade show. Details included typical features (three-layer pickguard, one-piece maple neck, etc.), plus a small headstock, 4-bolt neck, a 9 1/2” radius fingerboard with jumbo frets, a TBX tone circuit, a redesigned tremolo with two bearing points instead of six screws, flat-polepiece pickups, a hum-reducing, reverse-polarity pickup in the middle position, a silver transition logo, and a urethane finish. The other key detail: It would be made in the U.S.A. To make sure no one missed the point, the new guitar would be called “American Standard.” Conspicuous designation of the U.S. origin of certain models or whole series would be a regular fixture of Fender strategies from now on. (American Standards built in 1994 bear a red, white, and blue medallion on the headstock, commemorating the instrument’s 40th anniversary.)

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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2007, 12:42:50 PM »
What about one more of those replacement bodies/necks??  :D
I always like this idea! and I don't like many colors of Fender... to be fair, looks to me like: "I have the same guitar of 1 billion guys".... Don't like it...

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2007, 12:45:29 PM »
Can't comment on the early-80s models, but I did have a couple of the '93-'94 Strats with the 40th Anniversary headstock badge.  

A I remember, the necks were especially thin, quite flat-backed and the fingerboard edges felt really sharp and uncomfortable when playing with the thumb over the neck.  I didn't like them at all.

The very-late-'90s American Standards and 2000+ American Series still have quite skinny necks, but they're much more rounded and comfortable.

As a fellow Gibson/chunky neck fan, I'd be surprised if you'd like the mid-'90s models.
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2007, 01:28:56 PM »
Well, what i have seen is that the 80's dont go down as narrow at the nut as the 90 ones, but i havent held one yet. It will probably boil down to just trying it out and deciding on the spot.......

I did think about assembling one myself, but i dont want something new, i want an old one, so there you go....

I have checked on the Japan '57, but it seems the recent ones have basswood bodies which i dont want. Checking on oldies i have found a MIJ Squire JV '57 reissue, seems to have a decent neck, but the paint seems to be chipping(large chips) off the body and there is a crack in the body too which pretty much is a NO to me. Still i find the prices pretty high for those JV's, sure its a very well made guitar but i did miss the sparcle i heard in the mexican 50's classic player i liked soundwise. But that one didnt feel too well constructed...... Im just such a hard man to please :cry:

I could just buy a good older strat and get a good V shaped neck replacement from Warmoth or so, might be a simple solution to it all.

Ill keep scrolling on the net a bit, maybe something turns up.
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2007, 02:04:07 PM »
In my opinion the best value Strats out there are the JV Squiers. They generally are much better guitars than the modern USA Standards, and have a nice vintage feel about them. However, like all guitars, there is quite a wide variation between different instruments, so it would be worth trying a few examples.

I've played quite a few re-issue US Strats and by and large they are OK (again quite variable), but they are probably a bit more than you would like to spend.

Failing that an older Japanese reissue is probably your best bet. I've yet to play a Mexican Strat I've liked, and I don't think that the USA Standard Strats  although perfectly useable, are that amazing.

One advantage of buying a JV Squier is that it will hold its value (assuming you don't vandalize it). If you have a limited budget (and who doesn't) it is worth spending some time making sure you get the best guitar you can find for your money.

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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2007, 02:25:40 PM »
Quote from: Henk
I have checked on the Japan '57, but it seems the recent ones have basswood bodies


Look at my link Henk, that's why I put it there  ;)

http://www.fenderjapan.co.jp/fender/2007fender/strat/st5778tx.htm

The basic Vintage '57 (model number ST57-66US) has a basswood body and USA Vintage pickups.  The Vintage Premium '57 (model number ST57-78TX) has an Alder body and Texas Special pickups.

The Vintage Premium '57 will fulfill all your requirements and will feel very similar to the JV Squiers.  I own a JV '62 and I've played a '62 Vintage Premium and you can tell straight away that they're close relations  :)

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2007, 02:33:56 PM »
Nice one, Twinfan, that helps me kinda... that means I have a Vintage Premium 57R. Rawk.

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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007, 02:43:05 PM »
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I have checked on the Japan '57, but it seems the recent ones have basswood bodies...


They seem to have used basswood in the early 90s, or the seller is just mistaking or has changed the body which seems to happen alot also. Sorry about the mixup, i didnt even think about new ones being made. Buying new does seem a good deal compared to the price they dare to ask for a JV  :(

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One advantage of buying a JV Squier is that it will hold its value (assuming you don't vandalize it). If you have a limited budget (and who doesn't) it is worth spending some time making sure you get the best guitar you can find for your money.


This should be also true for the first two years when the USA standard was released and also for the last strats made in the CBS era, which was 83-84 or so.

A good strat to me has a very lively tone which i dont hear often, its a very resonant tone also. Very different from my Gibsons which seem so pointlessly complex when listening to a good fender clip, it just makes me like those strats even better.
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2007, 02:43:11 PM »
No problem.  The Premium series are very good, and incredibly similar in feel to the old JV series.  Plus they're new if that's what matters to you.

I'd say to folks don't pay the for the collectibility status of the JV unless you're a collector, or you manage to get one cheap.

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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2007, 03:00:31 PM »
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Quote from: Henk
I have checked on the Japan '57, but it seems the recent ones have basswood bodies


Look at my link Henk, that's why I put it there  ;)

http://www.fenderjapan.co.jp/fender/2007fender/strat/st5778tx.htm

The basic Vintage '57 (model number ST57-66US) has a basswood body and USA Vintage pickups.  The Vintage Premium '57 (model number ST57-78TX) has an Alder body and Texas Special pickups.

The Vintage Premium '57 will fulfill all your requirements and will feel very similar to the JV Squiers.  I own a JV '62 and I've played a '62 Vintage Premium and you can tell straight away that they're close relations  :)


 :roll: Henk's short corners again,

Thanks for slowing me down a bit!

Ok that looks like thats worthwile, i wonder why they dont sell those around here, would make everything alot easier. Maybe they are afraid they wont sell any USA models anymore :lol:

Still i do like to pick up/ check out an older/used one, this way i will be sure i like the guitar and the wood has set to its lasting shape. Having bought and sold alot of guitars in the past makes me kind of hesitant to buy online. Like i said i am looking for something very specific, and i doubt i can trust an online seller to pick it for me, mostly they just sell the stuff and dont know much about them.

Your comment makes me wonder if you have any difficlty switching from '62 fender necks to les pauls, or do you simply use a different technique?
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2007, 03:09:41 PM »
I have a few ( :roll: ) guitars, so I'm always swapping between different types.  For example I go from an Ibanez Wizard "|" one minute, to a Baja Tele "D".  I guess I'm used to it and it doesn't bother me.

Might explain why I'm very un-bothered by different neck profiles/fret heights etc.  I just play what's there and get on with it!