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carlaz

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« on: December 19, 2007, 09:19:24 PM »
This is a sort of "folk metal" version of ye olde Scottish border ballad "Twa Corbies" that I knocked out on a whim over the last few days.

Edit: An improved mix over the originally attached version:
http://www.carlaz.com/music/Twa_Corbies.mp3

The pups are my early 2006 Crawler set -- there being some question over what stats current and past Crawlers have, as far as I know the bridge is ~15k A5 and the neck 7.6 A4 -- in my '92 Gibson LP Standard.  The wah parts are through a stock Dunlop JH-1, and otherwise it's directly into my Intel Mac Mini through a Tascam US-122 USB audio interface.  All the parts are recorded in Apple GarageBand using the built-in amp simulators and effects.

Nothing fancy: just riffs and thrashy wah abuse (to "make up" for my total lack of practice or technical skills ;)). Most of the guitars use the bridge pickup, with the opening wah bit using both pups.

For the record, the bass is my '76 Ric 4001, likewise straight into GB, and the drums are ns_kit7 samples programmed in Doggiebox to create a single stereo AIFF file that I dropped into GarageBand.  Naturally, there are cheezy samples of rain, wind, and crows. :)

I apologize for the voice, but it's the only one I've got.  :lol:[/b]
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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2007, 09:44:50 PM »
That's some nice Crawlin'!  :D  I've been struggling to get a good metal tone myself, but you seem to be nailing it.
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2007, 10:26:12 PM »
just wanted to say that your crawlers clip -together with ratrod's- are the reason why i leaned toward those pups. And this clip doesn't disapoint me, it's awesome!
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2007, 10:30:44 PM »
Awesome. Shame about the accent though, not Scottish enough. Great tone.
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2007, 10:36:08 PM »
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Shame about the accent though, not Scottish enough.

;) I started out intending to put the Scots lyrics back into standard English, but when I tried it on, it didn't really work for me somehow ....  But no way I was gonna risk fake a Scottish accent! It woulda been like a very dodgy Star Trek imitation!  :lol:
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2007, 10:37:13 PM »
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Shame about the accent though, not Scottish enough.

;) I started out intending to put the Scots lyrics back into standard English, but when I tried it on, it didn't really work for me somehow ....  But no way I was gonna risk fake a Scottish accent! It woulda been like a very dodgy Star Trek imitation!  :lol:


Damn shame, the world needs more dodgy Scottish accents... I might dig out the lyrics and have a bash...
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2007, 10:54:47 PM »
I really like it! It's got a good atmosphere to it, it's slightly like Jethro Tull, and even Ian Brown in bits! very good mix of styles, it's one of the best clips I've heard on here actually for originality.
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2007, 11:09:53 PM »
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Damn shame, the world needs more dodgy Scottish accents...

Heh, well, perhaps I might give it a go sometime -- but I might not publicize the results! ;)  

As an aside, though the guitars are tuned down to D, I found I was really pushing the limits of my vocal range there!  Scared the hell out of the cat ....;)
Probably shoulda tuned down to C# or C .... :twisted:

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Do it! Record a WAV or an AIFF that matches the track, FLAC it, and send me it. :) I'll drop it in.
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2007, 11:23:40 PM »
Great atmosphere-enjoyed it a lot.
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2007, 11:45:01 PM »
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Damn shame, the world needs more dodgy Scottish accents...

Heh, well, perhaps I might give it a go sometime -- but I might not publicize the results! ;)  

As an aside, though the guitars are tuned down to D, I found I was really pushing the limits of my vocal range there!  Scared the hell out of the cat ....;)
Probably shoulda tuned down to C# or C .... :twisted:

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I might dig out the lyrics and have a bash...

Do it! Record a WAV or an AIFF that matches the track, FLAC it, and send me it. :) I'll drop it in.


Might be easier if you give me the chords you're using and I work out a version that is less belting... Your voice is awesome, and you hit the notes dead on, just I'm a bit lower than you, range wise. Plus I have an idea to play it just as heavily on my acoustic...
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2007, 01:32:48 AM »
That's going in my iTunes :)
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2007, 02:14:41 PM »
I really like this :) Garageband has some pretty good sounds it seems. This kinda reminds me of Tool in some places. You're making me want another LP with Crawlers again :lol:

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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2007, 04:12:50 PM »
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just wanted to say that your crawlers clip -together with ratrod's- are the reason why i leaned toward those pups.

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That's some nice Crawlin'!   I've been struggling to get a good metal tone myself, but you seem to be nailing it.

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I really like this  Garageband has some pretty good sounds it seems.

Ratrod's clips played a big part in steering me towards the Crawlers!  They don't get as much press as the Mules or the higher gain metal pups, but are certainly some of the most versatile in the BKP arsenal.  I love the combo of vintage vibe with extra power! They'll give a great metal tone even with low-budget amp sims like GarageBand's (which aren't really too bad if you tweak around with them a little -- though I use the stock "Classic Rock" preset on the lower volume lefthand rhythm guitar track, I use my own settings on the louder righthand rhythm guitar and the lead parts). Not that I'd want to recommend that over a decent proper amp, but one works with what one has! :)

The Crawlers clean up very nicely, too (not surprisingly), but I'm not skilled enough to show that side of them off very well!  :lol:

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It's got a good atmosphere to it, it's slightly like Jethro Tull, and even Ian Brown in bits!

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This kinda reminds me of Tool in some places.

Definitely (undeserved ;)) compliements.  :)
Some Tullishness is bound to creep in, since I'm a long time Tull fan -- and most of the song is in 3/4, with occasional side-trips to 2/4 or 4/4.  
Ian Brown! :)  Though the Stone Roses never really hit it big in the States (where I lived when they were big in the UK, though I think they might have eventually caught on in the US if they'd toured hard and played it right), I definitely have some in my collection that must have seeped into my brain.  
Tool!  Fab band. of course! :)

There always seem to be some vibes in the compositions I wouldn't have guessed at! :)

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Might be easier if you give me the chords you're using and I work out a version that is less belting...

I'll have to see if I can figure out what chords I played!  :lol:

My starting point was the hoary old Steeleye Span version, itself based on a version by Maurice Blythman (aka the Scots poet "Thurso Berwick") that combined trad lyrics from Sir Walter Scott's collection Minstrelsy of the Scottish Border with a traditional Breton tune called "Alar'ch" ("The Swan").

I rely heavily on the "modal drone" of folk music :) singing much of the melody over a main riff in D, with the little hammer-on kinda wibble a G-to-A thing, I think. (Everything tuned down a whole step, here ....)  The bit in the verse where it goes up (e.g. "... the tane unto the t'other did say-o ...") is, I think, going from the main D then up to F, G, A ... A, G, F, A, G G ... and a slide down to finish the verse riffing on the D.

The little vaguely Sabbath bridge bit that crops up and the end of some verses is my own invention, just a little figure going:
D Db A D Db A C ...
D Db A D Db A F ...
D Db A D Db A C ...
A Ab F A Ab E D ....

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Your voice is awesome,


No, what's awesome is the amount of reverb and echo that I piled on there to gloss over the flaws. :lol:  (I think I remember a quote from Billy Bragg about that! :))

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I'm a bit lower than you, range wise. Plus I have an idea to play it just as heavily on my acoustic...

Oh, yeah, there is much heaviness in acoustics!  I wish I could play properly, with finger-picking and all. I remember going to see Martin Carthy once and he was just brutally heavy -- musta had strings like telegraph cable on that thing, and he just ripped and clawed at it like anything.  Frightening!

Someday I'll learn to play ... someday!
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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2007, 11:37:31 PM »
I'm a bit late for the party, but by gosh and golly that's a great track!!  :D

I'd love to hear more of that kind of stuff.
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2007, 11:54:40 AM »
:oops:  :oops:  :oops:

Wow! That my clips have had such influence. Maybe I should some again sometime. My sound has changed alot since I recorded those clips. More vintage sounding.

When downtuned Crawlers get doomy and gloomy Sabbath style. I think Carlaz's clips show that very well.
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