Author Topic: Think you're good? (Read 9905 times)

JJretroTONEGOD · « **on:** December 30, 2007, 02:48:27 AM »

This is the best solo, I've ever heard!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2IU3926fsI&feature=related

I'm giving up playing. lol

noodleplugerine · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2007, 03:44:53 AM »

RIP Shawn...

But that being said - I've been looking at videos by a Russian called Arkadiy Starodoub, check him out on Youtube - Mad technique...

plastercaster · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2007, 09:20:58 AM »

lift music -> lift music -> fretwank -> lift music
Nothing in that vid inspired me to do anything, except to hit the back button.

Arkadiy Starodoub was more impressive, but I wish he'd turn up the backing track a bit. I mean, he's in time, but what makes really impressive music is the interplay between the instruments, and I couldn't hear the rest of the "band".
I liked the little licks he did when he slowed down a little, might work those out and try them in my solos.
watched this vid, btw

HTH AMPS · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2007, 10:28:41 AM »

^ +1

MUSAK

This clips says WAY more to me and it's not just about the note count... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96HF4NSgqPY&feature=related

The ABB fused blues, rock and jazz in a very listenable way with genuine feeling that wasn't about trying to play faster than the next guy.

:twisted:

Scotty477 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2007, 11:46:18 AM »

+2

It's technically excellent but it leaves me cold - although others are going to see this as approaching a pinnacle of playing ... I can't.

But that's music in a nutshell ... What one person thinks is fantastic, someone else simply can't see it.

This is what floats my boat for solo playing. It's not note count ... It's the feeling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-wHzlfLKbM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqAuuIDU2sw

Neil young, Gary Moore/BB King.

As different as it gets but both send shivers up my spine........

Philly Q · « **Reply #5 on:** December 30, 2007, 01:05:46 PM »

^
+0.5 or something.

I'm very much in the feel>>>speed camp, and I enjoyed those Neil Young, Allmans and BB King clips. As for Gary Moore, I don't enjoy all his music but IMO there's no better guitar player on the planet (not that I'm into who's-better-than-who, but he's definitely in the premier league).

But I like that Shawn Lane clip, and I don't think the song's muzak either. It's a nice melody, and he has a great bluesy feel - in the bits when he's not just rattling off millions of notes per second. During the shred bits, I think it stops being music:

:guitar4: I'm playing a tune with the band (click) now I'm shredding (click) back with the band again (click) shred - shred - bit more shred (click) and rejoin the band to finish off. :guitar4:

There's another clip here, of Shawn Lane playing Sharp Dressed Man and Purple Haze in 1987. It's fun, but he stops the songs dead every few seconds to play those 1,000 mph flurries of notes. It should always be all about the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqT7_fV0Yuk

_tom_ · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2007, 01:16:47 PM »

I liked the volume swelly bits that sounded like some kinda synth on that track, but nothing else really did it for me, like most stuff I've heard from him actually. The rhythm section was cool though :)

Then again I think I'm just going off of solos at the minute, I like to hear good songs with guitar parts that actually work with the song and arent just there because its time for a solo spot, even though thats good every so often it does get tiring :P

edit - that Sharp Dressed Man and Purple Haze video is some of the worst cr@p I've ever heard :lol: So boring and doesnt fit the song at all. Also the man has zero stage presence :\

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2007, 01:19:28 PM »

+ whatever the count is now lol

I used to be into shred but now i don't really listen to it anymore as i prefer tasteful soloing. It has nice technical ability and i respect what he did but there's no feel or meaning to what he is playing. I'd rather listen to a tasteful guitarist like Tony Iommi or Gary Moore like Philly Q said.

plastercaster · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2007, 01:40:14 PM »

I don't think speed is necessarily a bad thing... but there is a TIME and a PLACE.
Like in sweet child, the whole song builds to that solo, which starts all slow and mournful, and then just explodes (not shred as such, but an excellent example of "rhythm dynamics")

And I don't mind instrumental songs either- like bad horsie. It's 6 minutes long, but like the best long songs it goes past quickly, because Vai is always doing something interesting, and the whole lot is held together with that riff.

And the Covonia award for best instrumental goes to: Hocus Pocus by Focus, for having air yodelling.

noodleplugerine · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2007, 01:44:56 PM »

Sigh.

This argument is such a shite one.

Why can't people seperate shred from music sometimes?

These guys have incredile technique and are having some fun. If you want to do nothing but put them down, then I don't see what's the point in playing guitar at all.

We should all just stop playing once we learn to play the Stairway solo.

plastercaster · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2007, 01:56:55 PM »

Now this is an instrumental (if you discount the yodelling)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpV5InLw52U

Noodle, there's no doubt that playing that quick is fun, but I think that describing that vid as the best solo ever was just pushing it a bit.
There is a time and a place for speed in music, but playing a whole piece at a bazillion miles an hour is not it. A song should build to a fast bit, not be defined by it. Sweet child of mine (not shred perhaps), is a good example, whether or not you like it. The way the solo starts out mournful and legato before it explodes into the fast bit is what makes the song great.

If you seperate shred from music, it is merely a sport. and frankly, for me, it holds less appeal than golf on the radio.

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2007, 03:21:34 PM »

I love focus :D

_tom_ · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2007, 03:45:20 PM »

:lol: the yodelling in Hocus Pocus!

If we're on instrumentals now, except the orchestral bit in the middle I love this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTVnCyDoQlQ

Such a nice lead tone.

Philly Q · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2007, 04:13:04 PM »

Quote from: _tom_

If we're on instrumentals now, except the orchestral bit in the middle I love this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTVnCyDoQlQ

That was wonderful! And what a lovely old '50s Strat too. It's great to see you young lads getting into this older stuff. Brings a tear to my rheumy old eye.

God, I wish it was the '70s again. Strikes, power cuts, flares, dodgy haircuts and all. No celebrity culture, no mobile phones, no 100s of TV channels all showing the same shite... happy days. :)

JJretroTONEGOD · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2007, 05:12:34 PM »

From a theoretical point of view, this is one of the most complex solo's of all time! I disagree it lacks soul, people of feel threatend with complex music, which is why it's never popular.