You really need to get some professional soundclips

[Steve-Mr Pig 2U]

Delete this if you want Ol.



There's nothing stopping Tim putting up more pro soundclips; I reckon there's none for the Warpig 'cos this model is probably selling really well. Someone looking for a Warpig type pickup knows what they want and its quite obvious from the specs and the name that this model will provide that.

Although I'd agree that the various soundclips may not give the best impression of tone due to everyone having different fingers and gear, I'll say again that BKP isn't exactly doing badly sales-wise at the moment (more speculation I know) so a better long-term tactic is to allow players to send in clips which gives this forum, and therefore the company, a pretty down to earth image. Because the clips are entertaining it attracts people to the forum, and therefore on to the pickups.

'Nuff said.

There is something stopping us putting more pro clips up, and that’s the fact that Tim works all day making pickups and has a family and just hasn't got time to record them at the moment. But they will be done.

[Underground_Player]

Fair enough, apologies to Tim.

[Steve-Mr Pig 2U]

Just remember though, that there are people that have SAID they'll buy Seymour Duncan's over Bare Knuckle pickups just because of the soundclips, so it doesn't matter if YOU like the sound clips, because you already own BKP.  

This is an example of what someone said:

"fact: i'm only voting warpig so there will finally be somebody with a set so i can hear what they really sound like. i could care less what he gets, i'm just curious about these bareknuckle pickups because i've never actually heard a clip of somebody playing on them.

those $%&#ers need to put some seymour duncan style sound clips on thier web site. I'm interested in checking them out, but not if i can't listen to them."

From:  http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9253070#post9253070

That’s funny; Ive just read the posts in the link. I like the way every one that is slagging them off has never heard them and admits it. But still they are obviously experts on our product.

[_tom_]

You can’t please every one, we've had people say they don’t trust sound clips because you never know how much processing has been done to the clip

my point exactly, I'd trust amateur clips more than SD "Pro" clips, mostly because I guess alot of amateur home recorders cant be bothered with all the processing etc?

[Tim]

Professional Clips!!!
What the hell are the 3 I posted up at the top of the players room!

The reason I didn't do it the SD way is so many people commented that it wasn't relevant and in the retail sector the SD tone CD is a bit of a joke as it's nigh on impossible to tell any of the pickups apart.

OK so one guy on a SD forum can't be bothered to come on over and check our site out and listen to the clips.............big deal, what does he expect, me to haul a load of gear round to his place and play live for him!

The clips on our forum are real, they're played by real users and hell, that's what the pickups are gonna sound like whether you like it or not.

At the end of the day some people will use every excuse under the sun to not go and check something out...............meanwhile the rest of us are getting on with it and doing it.These people are usually the ones standing at the back of gigs with their arms folded..........plenty to say but nothing to do.

Finally, if that '$%&#er' wants to come and put a days work in with this'$%&#er', he'll see that my time is at a premium.I really wish I could spend all day doing clips but I have pickups to make, and ALOT of them.Oh and I forget to mention a family too!

[_tom_]

Professional Clips!!!
What the hell are the 3 I posted up at the top of the players room!

The reason I didn't do it the SD way is so many people commented that it wasn't relevant and in the retail sector the SD tone CD is a bit of a joke as it's nigh on impossible to tell any of the pickups apart.

OK so one guy on a SD forum can't be bothered to come on over and check our site out and listen to the clips.............big deal, what does he expect, me to haul a load of gear round to his place and play live for him!

The clips on our forum are real, they're played by real users and hell, that's what the pickups are gonna sound like whether you like it or not.

At the end of the day some people will use every excuse under the sun to not go and check something out...............meanwhile the rest of us are getting on with it and doing it.These people are usually the ones standing at the back of gigs with their arms folded..........plenty to say but nothing to do.

Finally, if that '&$%#er' wants to come and put a days work in with this'&$%#er', he'll see that my time is at a premium.I really wish I could spend all day doing clips but I have pickups to make, and ALOT of them.Oh and I forget to mention a family too!

haha this thread might as well be closed now Tims posted in it  :P Any chance of taking on any trainee pickup builders, I'm sure itd be a lot more interesting than staying on for my A levels  :lol: I dont suppose youd have the time to "teach" someone how to do it though...

[PhilKing]

Coming in a bit late on this one, but I just wanted to say that it wasn't the clips which made me buy my first BKP's, it was talking with Tim and having him spend the time to answer my questions when I had never bought his product and he had no idea whether or not I would.

You can't get this sort of service from any of the other pickup makers that I know.  Tim asked me about the sounds I wanted and then made suggestions.  Since then I have added a lot of BK's and replaced SD, DiM, Gibson and Tom Holmes pickups.  

There is another problem with professional sound clips, it is the lack of emotion.  When I use my guitars with BK's they are really responsive to the way I play, they have screaming harmonics if I want them, but they can also chug and be mellow too.  How do you demonstrate this with a flat sound clip?  

Also, remember that different guitars will voice the pickups differently.  If I want to use a humbucker in a Strat and the sound clip is played in a Les Paul, it will not help me because the tonal characteristics are different.  Even using a maple vs rosewood neck strat will make a difference.  The great thing with the players section is that you can ask if someone can demo a pickup with a guitar similar to the one you are thinking of putting it into.  The clips might not be 'professional', but I think that you will get a better impression of the actual tone in a real situation.

[Ol]

Maybe Tim\ol could link from the product info pages to the decent clips on the players section forum posts for each pickup that has one?? 8)

The sound clips button on each product page does infact link straight to the Players room on the Forum - almost what you suggested! :-)

With respect to SD style riffs or home grown, it's a bit like marmite...

Ol.

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

What you have to realise is that we are a very small company as opposed to a multi million dollar company like Seymour Duncan.
Telling us to get sound clips done by professional musicians is all well and good, but everything costs money.
You can’t please every one, we've had people say they don’t trust sound clips because you never know how much processing has been done to the clip.
We are in the middle of a product page overhaul, including clips.
People can always go to a local stockist; most of them have a demo guitar with our pickups in to try out.

HOLY CR@P!!! I´m eager to SEE this. i´ll wait for this to start ordering my set.
but i´ll be OFF from 27 Aug - 5 Nov.
will this update being made between this period?Or later?
Hails
J.P

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

OK,now that i read all the posts i´ll talk something about this.
well, i have the SIngle coil and humbucker SD cd.
of course, I CAN´T say (with my eyes blindfolded) the name of each pickup by just hear it without read its name on the cd tracklist, but training your ear(repeated times) you can memorize the tone of a couple of them. said that.
i agree and disagree with lots of opinions in this thread in particular.
i ......... no, nevermind.
forget
Hails
J.P

[jt]

:D Your right that most of us are not pros & therefore our sound clips are not professional. But if `ya can`t hear the tone difference from them then `ya really have got no ears !! One of the big problems is what type of clip do `ya put down ?  :?
Tim has already pointed out on previouse posts that French Jazz guitarists are playing Warpigs !! does Tim now record Warpig Jazz Clips or record full on Metal clips for them ????  :?
Not easy is it ? the idea of the Players section is that you guys can get an Idea of how the P/U`s sound & ya can request clips to be put down by players !!
SD`s clips are s**t the only thing they did was confirm to me that they where overated & all sounded the same. infact it was because i was so disallusioned with them that i desided to click onto this website !!  
AS for the Donkey Turd that won`t buy a set of BK`s because there are no pro clips, if your that stupid then ya can`t be that great a player to start with & ya can`t be non to bright either !!

 :D  8)

[Ratrod]

When I was looking for a pickup for the Mockingbird I stumbled across BKP. I could tell from the website and the reviews it was a company that believed in their product and that these people put their heart, soul, blood, sweat and tears into it. There were no soundclips and forum yet. I just took the chance and bought the most expensive pickup I ever bought for a really cheap guitar and I never had any regrets.

As the number of soundclips grows, there's a good chance you'll find a clip with a similar amp and guitar to yours. I'd say that is very relevant and usefull. You don't have to imagine a lot about how you will sound with that particular pickup. On top of that you can always ask questions to the maker of the clip.

[FELINEGUITARS]

Finally, if that '&$%#er' wants to come and put a days work in with this'&$%#er', he'll see that my time is at a premium.I really wish I could spend all day doing clips but I have pickups to make, and ALOT of them.Oh and I forget to mention a family too!

Not to mention me taking up way too much of Tim's time discussing ideas and learning from his wisdom and experience.


In time - more and more players clips will be on the forum and those that really shine out and best represent the pickup's sound may indeed be the points of reference that everyone choses to refer to.

Heck if it gets that good , Ol may even have to make a shortlist of the ones we like the most

BTW - I have a set of the SD CDs here and have used them, and loaned them out as well ., but they aren't the best way  as only by fitting the pickup to YOUR guitar and playing it through YOUR amp Using your playing style will you know how the pickup will work for you.

I have as many BKPs fitted to guitars as maybe anyone here in the UK and can advise customers on their sounds based on my experience, and let them try them out for themselves. I still find myself asking questions of Tim and other guys to broaden my outlook- so it's a learning curve for all concerned.

[MDV]

Just to add that I think BKP's got it absolutely right when it comes to sound clips. I find 300 10 second clips with some generic amp setting useless. I find an entire community comming up with a small number of creative and informative 'unproffessional' clips far more helpfull and interesting.

[carlaz]

Actually, I think SD-style short clips would be useful, but more as an adjunct to the existing clips.  (And anyone who doesn't think Tim's and HJM's clips sound pro ... clearly hasn't heard very good pro playing :)!)  But, anyway, different customers will be convinced by different kinds of info. No reason not to me as many things to as many people as possible ... eventually.

It is, after all, clear that these things take time and effort, and BKP are rightly putting the maximum of time an effort into making great pickups, rather than just tarting up the presentation of what they have.  While I, as a would-be customer, would like to see and hear more detailed info, I know its in the pipeline and I'm comfortable knowing that the main work is the product rather than the product descriptions :).