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« on: February 07, 2008, 02:05:12 PM »
Has anyone got any experience with it? According to some reviews I have read it must be pretty awesome, especially when combined with two Atomic Reactor 112s?
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2008, 05:23:01 AM »
I saw some clips on YouTube and it looked excellent.

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2008, 08:34:12 AM »
Well, I've spent the night in front of youtube and their forum on http://www.setbb.com/axefx/ GASing for one. This thing seems to be awesome ... though I am wondering if it is just the perfect U2 emulator as that seems to be what people mainly do on clips  :lol:

There are so many experienced players who say it's bang on that I put myself on the 4 months waiting list for one, anyways, they go on ebay for 50% more than new price, so it can't be wrong.
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2008, 07:23:47 PM »
I've had an Axe FX Standard for roughly four months. My opinion - it's everything the guys on the AFX Forum say it is.  You really have to spend enough time to read thru quite a few of the posts, and also there's a 120-page thread on The Gear Page on the Axe FX.

It's dynamic like tube amps, extremely diverse in it's abilities to sound similar to many well-known and desirable amps, and the designer, Cliff Chase, has been very attentive with ongoing firmware upgrades. It has no aliasing in its sound, and is not attempting to compete with Line 6 and other modellers - it's way beyond that (and a bit beyond them in cost, too.)

BUT - and this is a big but - it's not for people who aren't prepared to dig in and learn how to adjust the various parameters to your personal preference. I'm not saying it doesn't sound good out of the box, it absolutely does. But the sample patches are intended to show potential, and are a bit heavy on gain & effects levels. And it's quite easy to learn, just not suitable for people who are stubbornly "plug & play". Most great tube amps also require that you learn how to set them up for the results you want, as well. Nothing is truly plug & play.

You can use it as a multi-effects box only, like an Eventide, or as effects plus preamp going into a tube amp & guitar cab, as effects / preamp / amp sim / neutral amp into a guitar cab, or fully functional into an FRFR amp plus speaker rig. I believe the FRFR rig is the way to go - my Rivera amp is for sale! This route produces very high quality sounds, with huge amounts of versatility, and is also cheap compared to owning even a small selection of the amps that the AFX can sound similar to (and you have enormous flexiblilty to go deep and create tones exactly as you want them - "your" tones.

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2008, 07:28:51 PM »
Thanks. I haven't heard anyone say anything bad about it, seems real good this device. I am on the waiting list.

Thanks for the FullRange tip. Still not decided on it. Do you think I'll really sell my Bogner when I have the Axe FX?

What is your advice on Normal versus Ultra, is it worth the additional wait/money to go for the Ultra or is it just even more complexity that is not really needed?
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2008, 11:47:32 PM »
Thanks,Brian.(What is a FRFR amp?A power amp?).I know some guy who owns one and,although he really loves it,he still prefers his tube amp for live gigs.

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2008, 11:51:46 PM »
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Thanks,Brian.(What is a FRFR amp?A power amp?).I know some guy who owns one and,although he really loves it,he still prefers his tube amp for live gigs.


FRFR=Fullrange Flat Response, so basically a PA, or a keyboard amp. It's one of the big discussions among Axe FX users, either play it through a tube amp and guitar speaker, but then you lose versatility, or you go FRFR and use the power amp speaker and mic simulations. The trend seems to go direction FRFR ...
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2008, 01:38:46 AM »
that whole system on the youtube vid looked hawt.  This is another case of "if only i had money" for me.  :(
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2008, 04:34:42 AM »
I was looking at this a few months ago... it looks fantastic, and ideal for me being a strictly bedroom guitarist but a dire need for good tone.

How much are these baby's? I think i saw the inflated ebay prices and ran off scared, hah.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2008, 04:54:38 AM »
Thanks,Hunter.The price is 1400 euros for the Standard,in Europe.

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2008, 07:03:40 AM »
Yeah unfortunately money isn't the issue, it's a bit like Egnater, you have to wait "4 months" to get one, but the time is actually very vague. That means me now being on the waiting list I'll have one earliest this summer.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2008, 12:37:06 PM »
Hunter:

As to whether you keep your tube amp once you have an AFX, no one can ultimately make that call except you. Some guys say they still hear nuances in their tube amps tht they prefer, many more who post opinions say they don't use their tube gear nearly so much, even if they hang onto it.

I'm not one of those who want to convince others of what their reaction will be - you have to try it for yourself. I will say, though, that there are a couple of huge factors:

1. Most AFX owners agree that, at the very least, it comes scary close not only to the sound, tone and feel of a good amp, but many flavors of good amp. So versatility is great. And most users feel that even if it doesn't precisely duplicate their fav amp, it's as good, just slightly different. (Two samples of the same actual amp rarely sound identical, as well.)

2. Convenience: with the Axe FX, a full gigging rig can consist of a small rack case (a 3U rack case can hold the AFX and a 1U power contitioner, e.g.), a powered monitor, and a MIDI floorboard. That's it. And you can simultaneously have great stage sound, direct feed to FOH, and have it all sound the same. No tweaking two different patch variations for stage and FOH. And if you only use in-ear's, you can do without the monitor.

3. Low volume use: all tube amps have to be cranked to sound their best. Big limitation, whether you're a home player, or just always fighting with the FOH guy about your stage volume. With the AFX, you can have the sound of a cranked rig at any volume, even bedroom volumes. (Keep in mind there's no subsitute for a certain amount of volume to flap your pants, but that's a different consideration.)

Re: FRFR (full-range, full response) vs. traditional guitar cab amp, my experience is that you will have a very difficult time getting the most predictable results without going FRFR. If all you want is a few of "your" tones, and you tweak those carefully to your rig, you can get what you want. But you'll be more limited in wider varieties of sounds than the FRFR guys. Audio is my background, I have access to analyzing equipment, and I've spent a good long while considering traditional vs. FRFR with the AFX, and FRFR is better for me.

I was one of the people who picked up a QSC HPR122i powered monitor early on, for use with the Axe-FX, it's one of the most neutral powered monitors out there, at any price. (Most PA monitors are not really that neutral, FWIW, I rented a different model for a few days and wasn't at all happy - took it back early.)

There is a paradigm shift taking place here. Experienced players who are used to traditional rigs are finding it difficult to envision not having tube amps and guitar cabs. That tends to change once they dig into the Axe-FX, discover what it can do, and then start working on how to maximize it's capabilities.

But you have to make up your own mind, for your style of use.

Ultra vs. Standard: I have a Standard, and I wouldn't have much interest in the more exotic effects that only come with the Ultra, but the Ultra does have more memory resources, if you feel you might be setting up patches with dual amps and/or very long effect chains. (Did I mention that the effects are gorgeous sounding in the Axe-FX?)

Doing it again, I might get an Ultra if only to ensure it doesn't run out of resources for future firmware upgrades, but this applies more to effects than amp sims.

Someone mentioned that a lot of the clips are U2 sounds. Not true at all - there are a ton of clips on all styles. On the AFX forum, there is a fellow named Jochen from Germany, who posted a bluesy clip using the Trainwreck sim, using nothing but the guitar's volume control for control of drive and dynamics, and it sounds incredible. Lots of samples available, if you dig thru the forum.

In the end, all that will count is your own opinion.

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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2008, 11:35:56 PM »
I read about these a while back on the sevenstring forum. It's tempting to go this route but Line6 has left me a bit sour on such things. I'm skeptical to invest that kind of money (axe-fx, qsc monitor, midi controller) as I'm afraid I'd be disappointed with the sounds. From the clips I've listened to on the site it's very impressive. Clean sounds seem great but many of the heavier sounds seem a little dry and harsh. Of course that could just be how they're dialed in, and converting to MP3 doesn't help either. Tempting...... so very tempting....  :)
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2008, 11:40:02 PM »
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Yeah unfortunately money isn't the issue, it's a bit like Egnater, you have to wait "4 months" to get one, but the time is actually very vague. That means me now being on the waiting list I'll have one earliest this summer.

From what I've read on the fractal forum a new facility for production is going to be up and running around the end of March. Apparently it will all but eliminate the waiting list.  8)
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